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HomeMy WebLinkAbout10/19/2011 - STAFF REPORTS - 00 October 19, 2011 TO CITY COUNCIL - REQUEST FOR RECONSIDERATION OF MAY 18TH DECISION Mayor, City Councils and Staff, Good Evening. I am Nejat Kohan, Co-owner of Spanish Inn Hotel. First, in regard to Measure J, Spanish Inn would like to share its views and join with all residents of Palm Springs who support this Measure and care for the future of the City. We believe that 1% increase in the sale tax of non - essential purchases does not adversely change the life of Palm Springs residents even in this recessed economy, We however, believe that this Measure will bring a tremendous vital effect in the life of the Palm Springs and its future generation. In regard to the fate of Spanish Inn, I would like to keep you updated. In July of this year, among many visitors, an Asian Indian investor from San Diego approached Spanish Inn and told us that he is going to purchase the construction note from lender, Nara Bank and will help us to survive and complete the project. Unfortunately, upon purchasing the note from Nara Bank; the new investor breached his words and informed us that, he is going to foreclose the property. Therefore, Spanish Inn filed Chapter— 11, reorganization to stop foreclosure. C , 0 0 .°? w w City Council meeting 10/19/2011 I recently received a copy of the "Field Memorandum," pertaining to my request to place stop signs at the intersection of Marigold Circle and Bogert Trail. Marigold intersects Bogert in the middle of a 90 degree curve, which makes it a very dangerous blind intersection. With respect to the demands on your time, I will try to avoid duplicating additional information presented in the enclosed printed information. I appreciate time spent to review all information. Firstly, I would like to respond to the "Field Memorandum." References for my information include: 1. CalTrans Highway Design Manual, which references and refers to another document I have also referenced, 2. A Policy On Geometric Design of Highways and Streets, American Association of State Highway and Transportation Officials California Department of Motor Vehicles. 3. Driver Handbook 4. Vehicle Code, and 5. Commercial Driver Handbook Fundamental Objections to the Field Memorandum/Sight Survey: Table 201.1 was used, however it does not meet the criteria described in 405.1 (2) (a), allowing the use of 201.1. Even if 20 1.1 is used, the sight distance is inadequate. If 201 is always going to be used when 405 is not satisfied, why would the state of Califonia provide the criteria? Sight distance in the Field Memorandum was increased by positioning the driver above Bogert's gutter, with the front of the vehicle stopped within the intersection, in violation of California Vehicle Code Section 22500. If traffic on Bogert from the West is observing the posted speed limit of 30 mph, vehicles would traverse the sight distance in 2.93 seconds. Subtract a .75 second reaction time, leaves just 2.18 seconds to turn from a complete stop. I attended the city council meeting September 21. I was pleased to observe the council's unanimous and swift decision to allocate funds for DUI checkpoints, in the spirit of street safety. Drunken driving accidents can have horrendous consequences, yet affect a small percentage of the population. This intersection poses the same type of threat. If not corrected, it is just a matter of time before there is a collision resulting in serious injury or death. As a taxpaying citizen of Palm Springs I am also concerned about the financial liability of the City of Palm Springs if this dangerous situation is allowed to continue. Suggested vehicle position for sight distance Please refer to page 13 of the Field Memorandum. I can see that the diagram shows a vehicle positioned to exit Marigold that is physically within the intersection to give the driver more sight distance of Bogert. This is not acceptable as it is unsafe and illegal (see California Vehicle Code Section 22500, also this maneuver is not mentioned in AASHTO's "green book"). By my own experience, I have stopped within the intersection to avoid collision with cross traffic. When this occurs, I can see that the driver on Bogert diverts their attention to look at me, and frequently crosses the centerline into the lane of oncoming traffic. Since this unsafe and illegal position was used for the sight distance measurements, the sight distances mentioned in the Field Memorandum are not valid. The Field Memorandum states "When the allowable set back of 14 feet was used and the sight distance for a vehicle traveling on Bogert was measured, the location was found to have approximately 205 feet eastbound and 260 feet westbound." However, a vehicle has to pull forward: The 14 foot set back, PLUS An additional distance so the driver is physically above the gutter of Bogert Trail, with the front of the vehicle within the intersection. I have reconfirmed this interpretation by sighting the intersection myself and using a distance measuring wheel, a sighting and target rod. Please refer to diagram page 2A, a driver can only see 176 feet to the west, without the vehicle entering the intersection. It is interesting to see that the report mentions "the allowable set back of 14 feet." Per Topic 405, 405.1 (2) (a), "Set back for the driver on the crossroad shall be a minimum of 10 feet plus the shoulder width of the major road but not less than 15 feet." I am surprised that Topic 405 is quoted to defend the decision to not place a stop sign, and at the same time mentions a measurement that is in direct violation of Topic 405. Applicable Sight Distances The report states that the intersection does not meet sight distance criteria set forth in Highway Design Manual, topic 405. It also states that table 201.1, with lesser sight distances, can be used where restrictive conditions prevent compliance-per topic 405. From Topic 405: "In some cases the cost to obtain 7'/2 seconds of corner sight distances may be excessive. High costs may be attributable to right of way acquisition, building removal, extensive excavation, or immitigable environmental impacts. In such cases a lesser value of corner sight distance, as described under the following headings, may be used." The stop sign request does not fall within any of these categories, or the jest of the exceptions. Therefore, the alternative sight distances in 201.1 are not applicable. When the road design was initially approved, this land was vacant. Before development, it may have qualified under section 405. After development, with the grading of lots, placement of houses, fences and vegetation, it no longer complies with section 405. I am surprised that the city would approve the placement of fencing, which directly violates the sight distance under section 405. I am also surprised that the Field Memorandum uses 30 MPH as the speed to use for determining the sight distance. Per the Memorandum, "It should also be noted that several vehicles were observed traveling at what appeared to be an excessive speed on Bogert Trail." With the recognition of speeding in excess of 30 MPH, I feel that it would be prudent to conduct a speed study. Actual traffic speed from the speed study should be used to determine an applicable sight distance. The report also states "It should also be noted that several vehicles were observed traveling at what appeared to be an excessive speed on Bogert Trail. It is recommended that residents work with law enforcement to limit excessive speeding on Bogert Trail." I am certainly in agreement that this would be helpful. However, it does not negate the need for a stop sign. I contacted Sergeant Abshire on 10/10/11, and he informed me that an officer would enforce the speed limits as soon as staffing permits. "Very low traffic volumes on Marigold Circle," mentioned in the Memorandum do not negate the danger inherent in the intersection. This would certainly be an applicable criteria if a stop sign were requested to help with the speed of flow out of Marigold Circle. It is not the case. It is a blind intersection, where the most defensive and patient driver is still subjected to danger beyond their control. Turns onto Bogert from Marigold are not limited to Marigold Circle residents. Service vehicles and many "turn arounds" add to the traffic. It is common to see what appears to be tourists in Marigold Circle to look at the view. I am at your disposal for any consideration/review of this situation. Thank you for your time. Respectfully Yours, Robert (Bob) Lewis Jr&&xt E Rew& 312C .Man*U eixc& Yatm Sp dtW, ea, 92264 Nome 76C-327-6622 &U 760-218-864C drboblewis(d)hotmail.com I would like to ask that you review the enclosed information pertaining to a dangerous intersection close to my home. With respect to the demands on your time, I will try to avoid duplicating information presented in the enclosed a mail printouts. Thank you in advance for your time spent in evaluating this situation. After sending the enclosed a mail, approximately early 2011, I noticed some city workers at the intersection. They were taking measurements for evaluation. In conversation with them, I was told that this was their 3`a visit to the intersectign, and that on the 2 previous visits many hours were spent taking measurements. They said that there were 2 "criteria" for placing a stop sign based on stopping distance. They said from previous surveying, the intersection met 1 criteria, but not the 2"a They also told me that they were concerned for their own safety while taking measurements of this dangerous blind intersection. At that time I was told that I would be contacted in the near future regarding the evaluation and my stop sign request. I am perplexed to understand why a 3Pd visit was needed, when they had "spent hours" during the first 2 visits. Are we measuring inchesP'splitting hairs." 3 visits????? I was never contacted. Earlier this year, I left 3 voice mails. They were not returned. I was not able to speak to a human in the department of Public Works and Engineering. 10/3/2011, I received a copy of the Field Memorandum as a result of contacting a city council member. I had given up for a while. However, with the busy season in the near future, the traffic will increase tremendously as will the resultant danger. In the summer, when most traffic is composed of full time residents, it seems that a higher percentage of the drivers are aware of the intersection. It seems that in "Season," a higher percentage of the drivers are not aware of the intersection, or the speed limit. I would like to review the consensus of conversations I have had with full time residents who regularly pass through the intersection. Many have not noticed that there is an intersection west of the 4 way stop at • Goldenrod/Bogert; i.e. Marigold Circle. I would attribute this to Marigold/Bogert being a blind intersection, particularly when traveling eastbound on Bogert Trail. Also, when the speed limit is discussed, NO ONE HAS BEEN AWARE OF THE 25mph SPEED sign for eastbound traffic. There is a small 25mph sign west of the intersection. For westbound traffic, there is a 30mph sign by the entrance to the Monte Sereno development, partially covered by a tree. Not that the signage matters. Last year I set up a digital video recorder. I drove through the intersection on Bogert at 25mph. After recording for about an hour I reviewed the speed of other vehicles, calculated by the time it took to cross 2 reference points. I was not surprised that the majority of drivers were exceeding the speed limit, and a high percentage drove 50% faster than allowed by law. Short of placing a stop sign (which people "kind of pay attention to) I know of no other way to make this intersection safe. Without stop sign placement, it is only a matter of time before the most prudent and careful driver entering Bogert Trail from Marigold Circle will • be severely injured or killed. I am at your disposal for any consideration/review of this situation. Thank you for your time. Respectfully Yours, Robert (Bob) Lewis Sight position 3 ft from Marigold center line, 7.5 ft from Bogert • Sight position 3 ft from Marigold center line, in Bogert's gutter • Target 3 ft from Bogert center line, 79 ft from 725 Bogert's west property pin • Target 3 ft from Bogert center line, 50 ft from 725 Bogert's west property pin t_ 725 Bogert's west property pin (within the curb) 205 ft 176 ft off the edge) � g ) 330 feet per Table .- 405.1AK =� .. 3 6 N Ex� m L o C C M/.PRIGOLD IR l,� .l m r,4-vt/ems/YIGM/R M/0 .'.SEA .SFIEL�T �� L,. 1 I Ye d 8 � ' i•lqprp } • � r Lr • :1yY•c . M • s'ipTt�� t •ilF�Y i. t I .U;YYc , . . _ml Windows Live Hotmail Print Message Pagel of 3 RE: Intersection: Bogert Trail and Marigold Circle • From: Robert Lewis(drboblewis@hotmaiLcom) Sent: Thu 9/16/10 8:17 PM To: zpsNadineFieger(nadine.fieger@palmsprings-ca.gov) Nadine: Thank you for your prompt attention to my e mail. I appreciate your responsiveness. Bob Subject: RE:Intersection: Bogert Trail and Marigold Circle Date:Thu, 16 Sep 2010 17:20:37 -0700 From: Nadine.Fieger@palmsprings-ca.gov To: drboblewis@hotmail.com CC: Lee.Weigel@palmsprings-ca.gov; david@davidryanepp.com; Edward.Robertson@palmsprings- ca.gov; Dave.Barakian@palmsprings-ca.gov; Carrie.Rovney@palmsprings-ca.gov,- PauI.Abshlre@palmsprings-ca.gov;Terry.Tatum@palmsprings-ca.gov Dear Dr. Lewis: I am copying City Engineer David Barakian on this because it would be his department that would make • the determination on STOP signs, which is the remedy you are requesting. I am copying Edward Robertson in Planning because their code governs intersection visibility and in case I am wrong about the fence location, he can double-check me- 1 am copying Traffic Sgt. Paul Abshire regarding the speeding problem, and finally, I am copying my supervisor, Terry Tatum, so that he can be informed. Some answers should be coming your way soon. Thanks, Nadine (760)322-8364 x8758 From: Robert Lewis [mailto:drboblewis@hotmaiLcom] Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 3:14 PM To: Nadine Fieger Cc: Lee Weigel; apsDavidEpp Subject: Intersection: Bogert Trail and Marigold Circle To: Nadine Fieger, Code Officer for city of Palm Springs Nadine, I am writing today to question the intersection of Bogert Trail and Marigold Circle. http://sn101w.snt101.mail.live.com/mail/PrintM es.aspx?cpids=a6475Oe3-6d22-4c8I... 10/18/2011 Windows Live Hotmail Print Message Page 2 of 3 • Thank you very much for taking the time to make an on site visit with David Epp on 9/7/10. I regret not being available at that time, as I was out of state. It is my understanding that you did an inspection of the fencing, and verified that it is within city code. Unfortunately, the hazards that threaten safety are not just limited to a fence: 1. Physical Street Layout. Marigold Circle is located at a point where Bogert Trail curves approximately 85 degrees(please see attached jpg.). The location within the curve of Bogert Trail makes it physically impossible to adequately see cars approaching Marigold Circle (from both East and West). 2. Traffic Speed. Many vehicles are obviously exceeding the posted speed limit of 25MPH. I moved to Mangold Circle June 2007, and appreciate lowering the Bogert Trail speed limit from the 45MPH it was at that time. If all vehicles observed the current posted speed limits, the intersection would be safer. However, that does not happen. I am certainly willing to drive defensively, and yield to any vehicle to avoid an accident. However, I can not yield to a vehicle that I can not see-the combination of speeding and compromised visibility beyond the curve on Bogert Trail is a double danger, an accident waiting to happen. • In an effort to make the turn onto Bogert Trail as safe as possible, I roll down the windows, and shut off the Air Conditioner. I have found that I can hear many vehicles before I can see them. After listening and carefully looking for traffic both ways, I start to proceed to turn. I can not tell you the number of times I have had to slam on the brakes and put the car in reverse to avoid an accident. This situation also presents 2 other hazards: 1. If a vehicle pulls up behind me, I could hit it when my vehicle is in reverse. 2. 1 have seen vehicles that are eastbound on Bogert Trail move left, into the oncoming traffic lane when they see my vehicle. This is a particularly dangerous maneuver, given that the curve of the road has compromised their visibility of oncoming traffic. This situation is not limited to vehicles. Crossing Bogert Trail at Marigold Circle is very dangerous for bicyclists and pedestrians. If I remember correctly from taking my California Motor Vehicle license test, all intersections are considered to have a pedestrian crosswalk, even if not marked. It is my understanding that it is illegal to cross a street except in a crosswalk (per reading the newspaper, and also a friend was ticketed and fined for not crossing in a crosswalk). Given the above, it would be very dangerous for a pedestrian or bicyclist to cross in the "crosswalk,"where it is considered legal. Fortunately, they have the option to use the sidewalk until they are in an area that is safe, but perhaps illegal to cross Bogert Trail. • I appreciate the concern that has been shown by lowering the posted speed limits on Bogert Trail. However, posting the limits and compliance by motorists are two different things. I am not pretending to have done an exacting study on this matter,but many cars are obviously far http://snl01 w.sntl01.mail.live.com/mail/PrintMessages.aspx?cpids=a6475Oe3-6d22-4c8l... 10/18/2011 Windows Live Hotmail Print Message Page 3 of 3 exceeding the posted limit of 25MPH in the area of the intersection. It is evident by the many cars that catch up to me when I am driving the speed limit on Bogert Trail (some even try to pass me-and do!). Looking at the Eastbound cars from the West, I often see the cars tilt to the North as they are going around the curve where Mangold Circle is located-almost like they could tip over or skid out of control. Apparently that is what happened about a month ago when a vehicle struck a mailbox at 780 Bogert Trail. I see no other solution, which could make the intersection safe, other that to place stop signs on Bogert Trail. I can certainly see that some people would be opposed to the "inconvenience." I have thought long and hard before making this request, as I know it would not be without contest. I would like to request information regarding how I can proceed with this request. To your knowledge are there local/state/federal guidelines regarding placement of stop signs when the curvature of the road obscures visibility of cross traffic? Excess of the speed limit is common in this area. Would this excess be taken into account when considering a stop sign?? Thanks again for taking the time for an on site visit. I appreciate your taking the time to take this a mail into consideration. Sincerely, Dr. Robert Lewis 3120 Marigold Circle Palm Springs, CA 92264 760-327-6622 • http://snl01 w.sntl Ol.mail.live.com/maiUPrintMessages.aspx?cpids=a6475Oe3-6d22-4c8l... 10/18/2011 Windows Live Hotmail Print Message Page 1 of 2 RE: Corner of Marigold and Bogert Trail • From: David R. Epp (david@davidryanepp.com) Sent: Tue 9/07/10 12:14 PM To: 'Nadine Fieger' (Nadine.Fieger@palmsprings-ca.gov) Cc: 'Robert Lewis' (drboblewis@hotmail.com) Thank you Nadine, What a well worded E-Mail to the Agua Caliente Tribe, very well said. Thank you, David PS---Above is the E-Mail CC for the Marigold resident most concerned with this potential hazard condition. David Ryan Epp Lic.#01826123 760-808-2009 direct WINDERMERE Real Estate Lic. #01325548 2465 East Palm Canyon Drive Suite #605 Palm Springs, Ca. , 92264 760-325-9091 Windermere Reception 760-325-9092 FAX david@davidryanepp.com -----Original Message----- From: Nadine Fieger [mailto:Nadine.Fieger@palmsprings-ca.gov] Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2010 11:44 AM • To: david@davidryanepp.com Subject: FW: Corner of Marigold and Bogert Trail Hi David: I sent the E-mail below and we'll see if we get any results. Unfortunately, the location of the fencing DOES meet City standards for corner cutback. Please feel free to give my contact information to anyone who may need it. Thanks, Nadine -----Original Message----- From: Nadine Fieger Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2010 11:39 AM To: 'Snyder, Kim' ; 'mpark@aguacaliente-nsn.gov' Subject: Corner of Marigold and Bogert Trail IMG 1787;IMG 1788 Hi Kim and Margaret: I received a complaint that when you turn left off Marigold to go west on Bogert Trail, this fencing obstructs the view of oncoming traffic. The location of the fencing does meet City standards, but because of the curve in the road, the oncoming cars are on top of you before you can http://sn l O l w.snt l O l.mail.live.cons/mail/PrintMessages.aspx?cpids=l fb9ad54-bab4-1 l df... 10/18/2011 Windows Live Hotmail Print Message Page 2 of 2 see them. I had this experience myself when I was turning onto Bogert • after taking these photos. If there is any possible remedy, the residents of Marigold would certainly appreciate it. Thanks, Nadine «IMG 1787.JPG>> «IMG 1788.JPG>> • http://sn101 w.sntl O i.mail.live.com/mail/PrintMessages.aspx?cpids=l fb9ad54-bab4-11 df.. 10/18/2011 Windows Live Hotmail Print Message Page 1 of 1 FW: Intersection: Bogert Trail and Marigold Circle From: Nadine Fieger(Nadine.Fieger@palmsprings-ca.gov) Sent: Thu 9/16/10 5:24 PM To: Robert Lewis (drboblewis@hotmail.com) I don't know if this went to you, so I am forwarding. Sgt. Abshire is out of the office until Sept 27. -----Original Message----- From: Paul Abshire Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 5:21 PM To: Nadine Fieger Subject: Out of Office AutoReply: Intersection: Bogert Trail and Marigold Circle I will be out of the office through Monday September 27th. I will check my email occasionally during my absence. • • http://sn101w.snt101.mail.live.com/mail/PrintMessageS.aspx?cpids=f6412dee-cl f1-11 df-... 10/18/2011 i h � J y r At the stop sign on Marigold Circle, point A is where Eastbound trafic can first be seen. Point B is the manhole cover, which needs to be completely crossed by drivers turning left onto Bogert Trail from Marigold Circle. \ The distance betwen A and B is 74 feet • In an effort to understand the stopping distances, I have referenced some California Government publications: 2011 California Driver Handbook: Page 50 • At 55 mph, it takes about 400 feet to react and bring the vehicle to a y complete stop. •At 35 mph, it takes about 210 feet to react and bring the vehicle to a complete stop. Page 55 Braking Large trucks take longer to stop than vehicles traveling at the same speed. { The average passenger vehicle traveling at 55 mph can stop within 400 feet. However, a large truck traveling at the same speed can take almost 800 feet to stop. 2011 California Commercial Driver License Handbook Section 2 Under the topic "Controlling Speed" • Reaction distance. The distance traveled from the time your brain tells your foot to move from the accelerator until your foot is actually pushing the brake pedal The average driver has a reaction time of 3/4 second. A left hand turn from Marigold Circle onto Bogert Trail is the most dangerous, and is described below. Assumptions: Traffic from the left(eastbound) is observing 30pmh speed limit, (44 feet per second) It is an average driver with .75 seconds reaction time The vehicle is a car 30 mph=60 feet per second Per the enclosed photo, the"window"of visibility to the west is 176 feet. A car traveling through the area would cross 176 feet in 2.93 seconds Oncoming drivers have a .75 second reaction, and travel 45 feet before beginning to stop. This would leave 2.18 seconds to stop in 131 feet. I have never experienced traffic on Bogert to stop if they see me initiating a turn,and they frequently cross the center line into oncoming traffic Drivers turning left onto Bogert Trail would have 2.93 minus .75 seconds =2.18 seconds to complete the left turn from being fully stopped. It is impossible to abort the turn and get out of the way of Bogert traffic in 2.18 seconds. The above seems dangerous to me. Given the information above from Commercial . Driver License Handbook, a commercial truck traveling cast doubles the chance that a driver turning left will end up dead. And most Bogert vehicle appear to exceed 30 mph. 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Speed and Stopping Distances There are three things that add up to total stopping distance:Perception Distance+Reaction Distance+Braking Distance=Total Stopping Distance. • • Perception distance.This Is the distance your vehicle moves from the time your eyes see a hazard until your brain knows R.The perception time for an alert driver Is about 314 second.At 55 mph you travel fig feel in 314 second. • Reaction distance.The distance traveled from the time your brain tells your foot to move from me accelerator until your fool is actually pushing the brake pedal.The average driver has a reaction time of 314 second.This accounts for an additional 60 feet traveled at 55 mph. • Bmkinn dletanba Tha Aietanrn.k takw_c to ann rvlrr?the M1rgkes are and m All SS mnh in dry navwrrwnt with nryN hfakaa k ran takes a hgaw vahlrY.abrvd mhtml:file://C:\Users\Bob\Pictures\Bogert_Marigold\Co ercial Driver License Handb... 10/18/2011 S • At 55 mph,ittakes about 400 feet DRIVING IN DARKNESS to react and bring the vehicle to a Drive more slowly at night because complete stop. you cannot see as far ahead and •• At 35 mph,it takes about 210 feet you will have less time to stop for to react and bring the vehicle to a a hazard. Make sure you can stop complete stop. within the distance lighted by your Adjust your driving speed to the headlights. weatherand road conditions CBasic Use your low beam headlights at Speed Law"page 28.)Turn on your night when it rains. Do not drive lights during the day,if it is hard to using only your parking lights. see or you cannot see at least 1,000 Use your high beam headlights feet ahead of you. whenever possible in open country DRIVING IN THE FOG or dark city streets, as long as it is The best advice for driving in the not illegal.Do not blind other driv- fog is DON'T.You should consider ers with your high beam headlights. postponing your trip until the fog Dim your lights when necessary.If clears.However,if you must drive, another driver does not dim his or then drive slowly and use your low her lights: beam headlights.The lightfromthe • Do not look directly into the high beam headlights will reflect oncoming headlights. back and cause glare. • Look toward the right edge of Neverdrivewithjustyourparking your lane. or fog lights. • Watch the oncoming vehicle out Increase your following distance of the comer of your eye. and be prepared to stop within the • Do not try to "get back" at the space you can see ahead. Avoid other driver by keeping your Wssing or passing lanes of traffic bright lights on. If you do, both o less absolutely necessary.Listen of you may be blinded. for traffic you cannot see.Use your Whenyoudrive atnight,remember: wipers and defroster as necessary . pedestrians and bicyclists are for best vision. much harder to see at night, so Ifthe fog becomes so thick that you stay alert for them. can barely see,pull completely off see the road. Do not continue driving at nigh becacles use re most have until you can see well. Turn off at night because most have only your lights and keep your foot off one taillight the brake pedal or someone may see ' More highway construction takes your taill ights,thinkyouare moving, place at night Reduce your speed and drive into your vehicle. in highway construction zones. -50- • /3 4 W r i r Signal your intention to exit for r An intersection. approximately five seconds be- . A road obstruction. fore reaching the exit. Vehicles appearto move slowerthan r Be sureyou are atthe proper speed they really are moving. A vehicle F *for leavingthe traffic lane nottoo that is far enough away generally :'J fast(so you remain in control)and appears to be standing still.In fact, not too slow(so the flow oftraffic if you can see it moving closer to can still move freely). you,it is probably too close for you PASSING OTHER TRAFFIC to start to pass. Space and Speed to Pass Space to Return W Always signal before passing. Do Before you return to your driving notpull outto pass unless you know lane,be sureyou are not dangerously you have enough space to pull back close to the vehicle you have just `.' into your lane. passed.One way to do this is to look Avoid passing other vehicles, in- for the vehicle in your inside rear view mireocWhen y see both cluding motorcycles and bicycles, rear on two-lane roads. It is dangerous. headlights in your rear view mirror, you have enough room to return to Every time you pass, you increase your chances of having a collision. your driving lane. not count on Be patientwhen passing abicyclist. having enough timee to pass several Slow down and pass only when it vehiclesatonce,orthatother drivers W is safe.Do not squeeze the bicyclist will make room for you. off the road. SHARING THE ROAD At highway speeds of 50-55 mph, you need a 10-12 second gap in LARGE TRUCKS BIG RIGS oncomingtraffic to pass safely.At 55 AND M �ph,you will travel over 800 feet in To reduce the chance of having a 12seconds.Sowillanoncoming collision with a large truck or RV, a vehicle.That means you need over you must be familiar with a big 1,600 feet(or about one-third of a rig's physical capabilities and how mile)to pass safely.It is harder to see it maneuvers. and judge the speed of oncoming Braking vehicles that are traveling one-third Largehan of a mile or more away from you. vehicles stravelingatrucks take ge sameto p speed. vehiclestravelingatthesamespeed. w You mustjudge whether or notyou The average passengervehicle trav- have enough room to pass whenever eling at 55 mph can stop within 400 you approach: feet However,a largetrucktraveling r An oncoming vehicle. at the same speed can take almost r A hill or a curve. 800 feet to stop. Do not move in - 55 - y :I • V C Section 22500 Prohibited Stopping Standing or Parking Prohibited Stopping, Standing, or Parking 22500. No person shall stop, park, or leave standing any vehicle whether attended or unattended, except when necessary to avoid conflict with other traffic or in compliance with the directions of a peace officer or official traffic control device, in any of the following places: (a)Within an intersection, except adjacent to curbs as may be permitted by local ordinance. (b)On a crosswalk, except that a bus engaged as a common carrier or a taxicab may stop in an unmarked crosswalk to load or unload passengers when authorized by the legislative body of any city pursuant to an ordinance. (c) Between a safety zone and the adjacent right-hand curb or within the area between the zone and the curb as may be indicated by a sign or red paint on the curb, which sign or paint was erected or placed by local authorities pursuant to an ordinance. (d)Within 15 feet of the driveway entrance to any fire station. This subdivision does not apply to any vehicle owned or operated by a fire department and clearly marked as a fire department vehicle. (e) In front of a public or private driveway, except that a bus engaged as a common carrier, schoolbus, or a taxicab may stop to load or unload passengers when authorized by local authorities pursuant to an ordinance. • In unincorporated territory, where the entrance of a private road or driveway is not delineated by an opening in a curb or by other curb construction, so much of the surface of the ground as is paved, surfaced,or otherwise plainly marked by vehicle use as a private road or driveway entrance, shall constitute a driveway. (f) On any portion of a sidewalk, or with the body of the vehicle extending over any portion of a sidewalk, except electric carts when authorized by local ordinance, as specified in Section 21114.5. Lights, mirrors, or devices that are required to be mounted upon a vehicle under this code may extend from the body of the vehicle over the sidewalk to a distance of not more than 10 inches. (g)Alongside or opposite any street or highway excavation or obstruction when stopping, standing, or parking would obstruct traffic. (h) On the roadway side of any vehicle stopped, parked, or standing at the curb or edge of a highway, except for a schoolbus when stopped to load or unload pupils in a business or residence district where the speed limit is 25 miles per hour or less. (i) Except as provided under Section 22500.5, alongside curb space authorized for the loading and unloading of passengers of a bus engaged as a common carrier in local transportation when indicated by a sign or red paint on the curb erected or painted by local authorities pursuant to an ordinance. (j) In a tube or tunnel, except vehicles of the authorities in charge, being used in the repair, maintenance, or inspection of the facility. (k) Upon a bridge, except vehicles of the authorities in charge, being used in the repair, maintenance, or inspection of the facility, and except that buses engaged as a common carrier in local transportation may stop to load or unload passengers upon a bridge where sidewalks are provided, when authorized by local authorities pursuant to an ordinance, and except that local authorities pursuant to an • ordinance or the Department of Transportation pursuant to an order, within their respective jurisdictions, may permit parking on bridges having sidewalks and shoulders of sufficient width to a ( to BALM of SA� v SY oye cql l ro P, DATE: November 29, 2010 TO: Dave Barakian FROM: Michael Lytar SUBJECT: Traffic Complaint, Bogert Trail at Marigold Circle Background On September 16, 2010 resident Robert Lewis (3120 Marigold Circle), wrote to request that a 'Stop' sign be installed on Bogert Trail at Mangold Circle due to sight distance restrictions. The complaint is attached as 'Exhibit F. Bogert Trail is designated as a collector,with a posted Speed limit of 30mph. Marigold Circle is a 'no outlet', cul-de-sac that currently has three (3) existing houses, with a potential build out of five(5)houses. Mangold intersects with Bogert at ninety (90) degrees, at the center of a horizontal curve with a centerline curve length of 411.35 feet, radius of 350 feet and delta angle of 67.34 degrees. There is a curve warning sign, eastbound on Bogert approaching Mangold, with a suggested speed of 25 mph. Intersection files indicate that a previous resident had requested a 'stop' sign in May of 2001. There was an acknowledgement of the receipt of the request but no record of any findings or actions taken. Findings The location was visited on two separate occasions and sight distance observations and measurements were made. It was found that a vehicle on Marigold attempting to enter Bogert has a sight distance that is less than 200 ft;particularly, if the vehicle remains at the location of the existing'stop bar and legend'. Bogert has a width of 20 feet South of centerline allowing for a vehicle to move forward several feet without restricting the travel lane. If the vehicle moves up to a'set back'distance of 14 feet prior to entering Bogart, sight distance can be increased. However, it cannot be increased enough to comply with Highway Design Manual, topic 405, Intersection Design Standards (Exhibit'D'). This standard requires a corner sight distance of 330 ft at a design speed of 30 mph with an intended time to complete the left turn or right turn maneuver of 7.5 seconds. Neither of these criteria can be met. In cases where restrictive conditions prevent compliance with the 7.5 second criteria, topic 405 allows for the use of a lesser value of sight distance that is equal to the'stopping sight distance' as given in table 201.1 (Exhibit'E'). For a design speed of 30 mph the minimum stopping sight distance is 200 ft. When the allowable set back of 14 feet was used and the sight distance for a vehicle traveling on Bogert was measured, the location was found to have approximately 205 feet eastbound and 260 feet westbound (see Exhibit'C'). Based on these measurements, the intersection has been found to be in compliance with design standards as it currently exists. Recommendations Due to compliance with design standards, and very low traffic volumes on Mangold Circle, it is not recommended that this intersection be converted to a 3-way stop. This intersection meets minimum sight distance requirements when vehicles proceed with caution and move forward into the allowable set back distance of 14 feet prior to turning into Bogert. It should also be noted that several vehicles were observed traveling at what appeared to be an excessive speed on Bogert trail. It is recommended that residents work with law enforcement to limit excessive speeding on Bogert Trail. //end report h14 L Attachments: Exhibit A Street Improvement Drawing of Location Exhibit B Pictures of Intersection Exhibit C Measured Sight Distance at 14' set-back Exhibit D Highway Design Manual Topic 405 �ry�CIA / Exhibit E Highway Design Manual Topic 201 Exhibit F Email Chain with Original Complaint .L cc: Intersection Files i.Bp F . eAa `MBM:Wit a4�:+kti'g4�x '*xa-z 4 !` 11��•• -,, • NMI q� Jr r FA A v )■�yy■ A z F _� Sti3a 4[ �. to a �'� lIIRRR Y rine�wav�O o�qr' ,•�+•onlM SflVtiik.t' x Y' ��IECa��e�r •r+r�asa.. 1 ILM iir .y J w F y�y Y. 11jj qq,yµqq. ��"`1W��y dw. HIGHWAY DESIGN MANUAL 400-17 July 24,2009 Topic 405 - ftAer9ecffo*Bft1qff the driver on the crossroad shall be a minimum of 10 feet plus the shoulder " width of the major road but not less than 15 feet. Corner sight distance is to be 405.1 measured from a 3.5-foot height at the (I) Sto Sight Distance. See Index 2011 for location of the driver on the minor road to PP in Si g . g a 4.25-foot object height in the center of minimum stopping sight distance requirements. the approaching lane of the major road. If (2) a,., the major road has a median barrier, a (a) General--At unsignalized intersections a 2-foot object height should be used to substantially clear line of sight should be determine the median barrier set back. maintained between the driver of a vehicle in some cases the cost to obtain waiting at the crossroad and the driver of 7-1/2 seconds of comer sight distances an approaching vehicle. may be excessive. High costs may be attributable to right of way acquisition, Adequate time must be provided for the building removal, extensive excavation, or waiting vehicle to either cross all lanes of through traffic, cross the near lanes and immitigable environmental impacts, In hh cases a lesser value of comer sight turn left, or turn right, without requiring distance, as described under the following through traffic to radically alter their speed. headings,may be used. The values given in Table 405.1A provide (b) Public Road Intersections (Refer to Topic 205)—At unsignalized pub 7-1/2 seconds for the driver on the lic road crossroad to complete the necessarytntersections(see Index 405 7)comer sib maneuver while the approaching vehicle distance values given in Table 4051Ashould be provided travels at the assumed design speed of the main highway. The 7-1/2 second criterion At signalized intersections the values for is normally applied to all lanes of through comer sight distances given in traffic in order to cover all possible Table 405.IA should also be applied maneuvers by the vehicle at the crossroad. whenever possible. Even though traffic However,by providing the standard comer flows are designed to move at separate sight distance to the lane nearest to and times, unanticipated vehicle conflicts can farthest from the waiting vehicle, adequate occur due to violation of signal, right turns time should be obtained to make the on red, malfunction of the signal, or use of necessary movement. On multilane flashing red/yellow mode. highways a 7-1/2 second criterion for the outside lane, in both directions of travel, Where restrictive conditions exist, normallywill similar to those listed In provide increased sight Index 405.1(2)(a), the minimum value distance to the inside lanes. Consideration for corner sight distance at both should be given to increasing these values signalized and unsignalized intersections on downgrades steeper than 3 percent and shall be equal to the sto longer than I mile (see Index 201.3), PPing sight where there are high truck volumes on the distance as given in Table 201.1, crossroad, or where the skew of the measured as previously described. intersection substantially increases the (c) Private Road Intersections (Refer to distance traveled by the crossing vehicle. Index 205.2) and Rural Driveways (Refer I In determining comer sight distance, a set to Index 205.4)--The minimum corner back distance for the vehicle waiting at the sight distance shall be equal to the crossroad must be assumed. Set back for stopping sight distance as given in 400-18 HIGHWAY DESIGN MANUAL July 1,2005 Table 201.1, measured as previously described. Table 405.1A (d) Urban Driveways (Refer to Index Comer sight distance requirementsents Corner Sight Distance ass (7-1/2 Second Criteria) described above are not applied to urban Design Seed driveways. ! P Comer Sight (3) Decrsion Sight Distance. At intersection (mph) Distance(ft)s 25 275 where the State route turns or crosses another State mute. the decision sight distance values 35 given in Table 201.7 should be used In 40 440 comnutmg and measuring decision sight 45 495 distance. the 3 5-foot eye height and the 50 550 0.5-foot object height should be used the 55 605 660 object beiniz locaLqd on the side of the 60 65 15 715 intersection nearest the aporoaching driver. 70 770 The application of the various sight distance requirements for the different types of intersections is summarized in Table 405.1 B. Table 405.1 B (4) Acceleration Lanes for Turning Moves onto Application of Sight Distance State Highways. At rural intersections, with Requirements stop control on the local cross road, acceleration lanes for left and right turns onto Intersection Sight Distance the State facility should be considered. At a Types Stopping Comer Decision minimum, the following features should be Private Roads X X" evaluated for both the major highway and the cross road: Public Streets and X X • divided versus undivided Roads • number of lanes Signalized X (2) Intersections • design speed State Route Inter- X X X • gradient sections& Route • lane,shoulder and median width Direction Changes,with or • traffic volume and composition without Signals • turning volumes (1) Using stopping sight distance between an eye height of 3.5 It and an object height of 4.25 R Sce Index 405.1(2)(a)for setback • horizontal curve radii requirements. (2) Apply corner sight distance requirements at signalized intersections • sight distance whenever possible due to unanticip ated violations of the signals or • proximity of adjacent intersections malfunctions of the signals. See Index 405.1(2xb). types of adjacent intersections For additional information and guidance, refer to AASHTO,A Policy on Geometric Design of Highways and Streets,the Headquarters Traffic Liaison and the Design Coordinator. HIGHWAY DESIGN MANUAL 200-1 January 4,2007 CHAPTER 200 Table 201.1 GEOMETRIC DESIGN AND STRUCTURE STANDARDS (q (2) Passing Design Speed Stopping S Topic 201 - S' (mph) (ft) (ft) 20 125 800 Index 201.1 -General 25 150 950 i Sight distance is the continuous length of highway 1,100 ahead visible to the driver. Four types of sight 35 250 1,300 distance are considered here: passing, stopping, decision,and comer. Passing sight distance is used 40 300 1,500 where use of an opposing lane can provide passing 45 360 1,650 opporharities (see Index 201.2). Stopping sight 50 430 1,800 distance is the minimum sight distance to be provided on multilane highways and on 2-lane 55 500 1,950 roads when passing sight distance is not 60 580 2,100 economically obtainable. Stopping sight distance also is to be provided for all elements of 65 660 2,300 interchanges and intersections at grade, including 70 750 2,500 private road connections (see Topic 504, Index 75 840 2,600 405.1, & Figure 405.7). Decision sight distance is used at major decision points (see Indexes 201.7 80 930 2,700 and 504.2). Corner sight distance is used at (1)See Topic 101 for selection of design speed. intersections (see Index 405.1, Figure 405.7, and (2)For sustained downgrades,refer to advisory standard in Figure 504.3.1). Index 201.3 Table 201.1 shows the standards for stopping The sight distance available for passing at any sight distance related to design speed, and these place is the longest distance at which a driver shall be the minimum values used in design. whose eyes are 3 %2 feet above the pavement Also shown are the values for use in providing surface can see the top of an object 4 V4 feet high passing sight distance. on the road. See Table 201.1 for the calculated Chapter 3 of "A Policy on Geometric Design of values that are associated with various design Highways and Streets," AASHTO, contains a speeds. thorough discussion of the derivation of stopping In general, 24ane highways should be designed to sight distance. provide for passing where possible, especially those routes with high volumes of trucks or 201.2 Passing Sight Distance recreational vehicles. Passing should be done on Passing sight distance is the minimum sight tangent horizontal alignments with constant grades distance required for the driver of one vehicle to or a slight sag vertical curve. Not only are drivers pass another vehicle safely and comfortably. reluctant to pass on a long crest vertical curve, but Passing must be accomplished assuming an it is impracticable to design crest vertical curves to oncoming vehicle comes into view and maintains provide for passing sight distance because of high the design speed, without reduction, after the distance where crest cuts are involved. Passing sight distance for crest vertical curves is 7 to 17 times overtaking maneuver is started. longer than the stopping sight distance. Ordinarily, passing sight distance is provided at locations where combinations of alignment and Page 1 of 3 Mike Lytar From: Dave Barakian Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 6:35 PM To: Mike Lytar Subject: Fw: Intersection: Bogert Trail and Marigold Circle Please have someone check this intersection and report to me. See me for details on sight distance. From: Nadine Fieger To: Robert Lewis <drboblewis@hotmail.com> Cc: Lee Weigel; apsDavklEpp <david@davidryanepp.com>; Edward Robertson; Dave Barakian; Carrie Rovney; Paul Abshire; Terry Tatum Sent: Thu Sep 16 17:20:37 2010 Subject: RE: Intersection: Bogert Trail and Marigold Circle Dear Dr. Lewis: I am copying City Engineer David Barakian on this because it would be his department that would make the determination on STOP signs, which is the remedy you are requesting. I am copying Edward Robertson in Planning because their code governs intersection visibility and in case I am wrong about the fence location, he can double-:heck me. I am copying Traffic Sgt. Paul Abshire regarding the speeding problem, and finally, I am copying my supervisor,Terry Tatum, so that he can be informed. Some answers should be coming your way soon. Thanks, Nadine (760)322-8364 x8758 From: Robert Lewis [mailto:drboblewis@hotmaii.com] Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 3:14 PM To: Nadine Fieger Cc: Lee Weigel; apsDavidEpp Subject: Intersection: Bogert Trail and Marigold Circle To: Nadine Fieger, Code Officer for city of Palm Springs Nadine, I am writing today to question the intersection of Bogert Trail and Marigold Circle. Thank you very much for taking the time to make an on site visit with David Epp on 9/7/10. 1 regret not being available at that time, as I was out of state. It is my understanding that you did an inspection of the fencing, and verified that it is within city code. Unfortunately, the hazards that threaten safety are not just limited to a fence: 1. Physical Street Layout. Marigold Circle is located at a point where Bogert Trail curves approximately 85 degrees (please see attached jpg.). The location within the curve of Bogert Trail makes it physically impossible to adequately see cars approaching Marigold Circle(from both East and West). 9/23/2010 Page 2 of 3 2. Traffic Speed. Many vehicles are obviously exceeding the posted speed limit of 25MPH. I moved to Marigold Circle June 2007, and appreciate lowering the Bogert Trail speed limit from the 45MPH it was at that time. If all vehicles observed the current posted speed limits, the intersection would be safer. However, that does not happen. 1 am certainly willing to drive defensively, and yield to any vehicle to avoid an accident. However, I can not yield to a vehicle that I can not see-the combination of speeding and compromised visibility beyond the curve on Bogert Trail is a double danger, an accident waiting to happen. In an effort to make the turn onto Bogert Trail as safe as possible, I roll down the windows, and shut off the Air Conditioner. I have found that I can hear many vehicles before I can see them. After listening and carefully looking for traffic both ways, I start to proceed to turn. I can not tell you the number of times I have had to slam on the brakes and put the car in reverse to avoid an accident. This situation also presents 2 other hazards: 1. If a vehicle pulls up behind me, I could hit it when my vehicle is in reverse. 2. I have seen vehicles that are eastbound on Bogert Trail move left, into the oncoming traffic lane when they see my vehicle. This is a particularly dangerous maneuver, given that the curve of the road has compromised their visibility of oncoming traffic. This situation is not limited to vehicles. Crossing Bogert Trail at Marigold Circle is very dangerous for bicyclists and pedestrians. If I remember correctly from taking my California Motor Vehicle license test, all intersections are considered to have a pedestrian crosswalk, even if not marked. It is my understanding that it is illegal to cross a street except in a crosswalk (per reading the newspaper, and also a friend was ticketed and fined for not crossing in a crosswalk). Given the above, it would be very dangerous for a pedestrian or bicyclist to cross in the "crosswalk,"where it is considered legal. Fortunately, they have the option to use the sidewalk until they are in an area that is safe, but perhaps illegal to cross Bogert Trail. I appreciate the concern that has been shown by lowering the posted speed limits on Bogert Trail. However, posting the limits and compliance by motorists are two different things. I am not pretending to have done an exacting study on this matter,but many cars are obviously far exceeding the posted limit of 25MPH in the area of the intersection. It is evident by the many cars that catch up to me when I am driving the speed limit on Bogert Trail (some even try to pass me-and do!). Looking at the Eastbound cars from the West, I often see the cars tilt to the North as they are going around the curve where Marigold Circle is located-almost like they could tip over or skid out of control. Apparently that is what happened about a month ago when a vehicle struck a mailbox at 780 Bogert Trail. I see no other solution, which could make the intersection safe, other that to place stop signs on Bogert Trail. I can certainly see that some people would be opposed to the "inconvenience." I have thought long and hard before making this request, as I know it would not be without contest. I would like to request information regarding how I can proceed with this request. To your knowledge are there local/state/federal guidelines regarding placement of stop signs when the curvature of the road obscures visibility of cross traffic? Excess of the speed limit is common in this area. Would this excess be taken into account when considering a stop sign?? Thanks again for taking the time for an on site visit. I appreciate your taking the time to take this a mail into consideration. Sincerely, Dr. Robert Lewis 9/23/2010 Page 3 of 3 3120 Marigold Circle Palm Springs, CA 92264 760-327-6622 r r 9/23/2010 � I� o� S D ✓t i As we stated before, the project is 98% complete and now after 10 years of our concerted effort with almost $11 million cost of which developers contributed 4 million; it is quite unfair to allow a stranger to steal a 10 million project for 5 million. To reiterate the time line, In 2004, City Engineers unfairly imposed Movie Colony Traffic Plan on Spanish Inn as a pre-condition to obtain the building permit. i This Traffic plan may have been a vital improvement for the Movie Colony i neighborhood, but unfortunately, it was like a cancerous tumor injected into the body of Spanish Inn, because the shortage of fund has been always a big factor of delays and hardships in this project which have ultimately caused failure. City may have inadvertently caused this microbe, but now the council has the cured medicine to save it. The financial Grant/ Loan reimbursement package that City created last year is now a vital key to win the reorganization plan in the Court. Chapter 11, reorganization plan requires that the debtors now show at least the sufficient fund to complete the project and obtain Occupancy Permit. Fairness requires 4 that Council reapprove that package to save us. Thank you s r � I MS41664privatization/750 words October 17,2011 Reply to: Harley L. Sachs Apt. 222 2545 SW Terwilliger Blvd. Portland,OR 97201 503 299 4222 Short term gains, long term losses a column by Harley L. Sachs It's been said that the business of America is business. It's all about money. Privatization has been touted as the answer to the evils of big government, but that's one of those lies you've swallowed. In the search for short term savings there are long term negative consequences. jEven war has been outsourced and privatized. It's a fiddle with the military budget. If only 100,000 troops have been authorized,you can draw on another category and contract with an outfit like Blackwater for security and Halliburton for underpaid cooks and other support personnel. -j Another example of the privatization trend has been the prison system. Many of the prisons in the country are now owned by corporations. Taking the burden of administering jails and prisons off the backs of state and local governments may sound like a good idea, but the result has been that the corporations in the prison business lobby for longer jail sentences. The public,fearful of those evil criminals,40%of whom turn out to be drug addicts or other non-violent offenders,votes for longer sentences. The companies in the prison business are guaranteed a steady stream of inmate"customers." Such a deal. No wonder the United States has more people in prisons than any other country in the world. Michigan spends more on prisons than it does on public education—schools E and universities. A prisoner costs the state$40,000 a year.A k-12 student costs about $7000. Not as well known is the outsourcing of local traffic tickets. A city,which must remain nameless, contracts with a non-profit company whose for profit subsidiary sets up radar speed traps and red light cameras to catch motorists and issue tickets.These are not small change. A traffic fine, like one I just got,can be nearly $300 for missing a speed limit sign or making a wide turn into a parking lot. So who gets the fine money?Most of the fine goes into the pocket of the company that takes that photo of your vehicle. A small portion goes to the municipality. The temptation is to jack up the ticket to a higher bracket. There's a significant increase in the fine if the offense is 1 I miles over the limit rather than ten. It's an easy fiddle.At these rates,traffic tickets are a lucrative business that doesn't have much to do with safety. It's about money. Perceptive folks know that some fund raisers for charities take most of the money that's collected. You can check those out yourself and discover that the CEO of a fund raiser may get a huge salary and the charity a small percentage,as little as 5%. Those candy mints sold at the checkout in the name of one of the animal clubs(e.g.Lions, Moose,Elks, or other critters) earn only pennies on the dollar. The real profit goes to the candy maker, It's a good deal for the charity. Letting the candy maker use their name costs nothing and the seller does all the work. That's why I don't buy Girl Scout cookies.I believe it's NABISCO who makes them and at$4 a box(when I was last solicited)the scout troop gets only 50 cents. I don't need the calories of the cookies and I prefer to give the troop a check for two bucks rather than buy one box. Such a deal for the cookie manufacturer: an army of unpaid little girls who peddle the cookies for you! Scout leaders who are conned into recruiting little girls as door to door sellers of a corporate cookie product are relieved of the greater task of doing a bake sale. Of course,the girls could learn more if they baked cookies themselves and sold them, but then they run into health department regulations about sanitary kitchens and clean hands. The state doesn't care if they farm out inmates to private prisons, or traffic tickets to the owner of the radar van. Letting outside contractors do the work is easy.The military can fiddle the budget numbers. States can contract for prison guards,school boards for bus drivers and janitors. Contractors can cut wages and escape pension rules, benefits,and unions. Short term gains have long term consequences. Economists say that a wage dollar goes around the community five times. What appears to be a savings now costs more later.Part time employees get no benefits. It's better to pay a full time living wage that is spent locally than to contract the jobs to an outside company that takes the money out of the community.