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Home My WebLink About2025-01-09 Item 3DFrom:001 Palm Springs To:City Clerk Cc:Brenda Pree; Evelyn Beltran; Brent Rasi; Cassandra Edney; Roxanne Rodriguez Subject:Proposed In and Out location at Smoketree Village Date:Friday, January 10, 2025 8:04:21 AM NOTICE: This message originated outside of The City of Palm Springs -- DO NOT CLICK on links or open attachments unless you are sure the content is safe. To the City Clerk, Chief Deputy City Clerk & Deputy City Clerks of the city of Palm Springs: Our names are Misti Rausch and Sean Reynolds, and we are proud lifelong residents of the Coachella Valley. We are also small business owners in the city of Palm Springs. We have each worked at our restaurant for over 12+ years and purchased it (Native Foods) in 2023. We are writing to you today to urge the city to deny In and Out’s application to build on the recently demolished Bank of America location in the Smoketree Village shopping center. Our reasons are as followed: 1.The residents of Palm Springs do not want another fast food restaurant that will attract homeless people and illegal activity. Our property management at Smoketree Village already has a severely understaffed security and maintenance crew. That team struggles to handle the constant barrage of trespassing and crime that is committed within the shopping center. 2.In and Out is going to adversely affect the sales of the locally owned, small businesses that are already located in our shopping center - not only our restaurant but Low Desert, Teriyaki Yogi, Giuseppe’s, Smokin Burgers and Pho 533 will lose sales we desperately need. 3. The city of Palm Springs is should be dedicated to sustainability and fighting climate change - approving any new drive throughs (especially three lanes) is a direct contradiction of these goals. The stretch of East Palm Canyon between Sunrise and Farrell is already badly congested with traffic and idling cars will create more air pollution. Idling cars also omit greenhouse gases that directly contribute to climate change. Thank you for taking the time to listen to our concerns. We hope that the best decision is made for the small business owners & residents of Palm Springs. Respectfully, Misti Rausch and Sean Reynolds 01/09/2025 Public Comment Item 3D From:Kim To:City Clerk Subject:Drive Thru Moratorium Date:Friday, January 10, 2025 10:21:06 AM NOTICE: This message originated outside of The City of Palm Springs -- DO NOT CLICK on links or open attachments unless you are sure the content is safe. Hello City Council Members, I am in favor of a drive thru moratorium in the city of Palm Springs. The fact we have so many small businesses and individually owned restaurants is what keeps our city vibrant and what sets us apart from the cookie cutter suburbs in the rest of the Coachella Valley. Please keep our unique and historic environment by enacting a moratorium on drive thru fast food chains. Thank you, Kim Baldonado Indian Canyons resident 01/09/2025 Public Comment Item 3D From:City of Palm Springs To:City Clerk Subject:*NEW SUBMISSION* Submit Public Comment to the City of Palm Springs Date:Thursday, January 9, 2025 8:05:50 PM NOTICE: This message originated outside of The City of Palm Springs -- DO NOT CLICK on links or open attachments unless you are sure the content is safe. Submit Public Comment to the City of Palm Springs Submission #:3718631 IP Address:76.93.227.151 Submission Date:01/09/2025 8:05 Survey Time:8 minutes, 44 seconds You have a new online form submission. Note: all answers displaying "*****" are marked as sensitive and must be viewed after your login. Full Name/Nombre Cindy Kanter City of Residence/Ciudad de residencia Palm Springs, Phone (optional) /Teléfono (opcional) Email (optional/opcional) cindykanter54@gmail.com Your Comments/Sus comentarios In regards to the proposed In and Out Burger in Smoke Tree Village, I am totally against it. 1. There is enough traffic in this area and a drive through would create more congestion. 2. We have enough drive thru restaurants and definitely don’t need one in this area. Thank you, City of Palm Springs This is an automated message generated by Granicus. Please do not reply directly to this email. 01/09/2025 Public Comment Item 3D From:City of Palm Springs To:City Clerk Subject:*NEW SUBMISSION* Submit Public Comment to the City of Palm Springs Date:Thursday, January 9, 2025 4:53:29 PM NOTICE: This message originated outside of The City of Palm Springs -- DO NOT CLICK on links or open attachments unless you are sure the content is safe. Submit Public Comment to the City of Palm Springs Submission #:3718418 IP Address:75.85.222.123 Submission Date:01/09/2025 4:53 Survey Time:1 minute, 43 seconds You have a new online form submission. Note: all answers displaying "*****" are marked as sensitive and must be viewed after your login. Full Name/Nombre Scott Connelly City of Residence/Ciudad de residencia Palm Springs, Phone (optional) /Teléfono (opcional) Email (optional/opcional) scottdesert@gmail.com Your Comments/Sus comentarios Item 3D I urge you to enact a moratorium on drive-through developments. A recent planning commission hearing for CHICK-FIL-A relied on an ERS that was prepared in 2005 when this area was mostly vacant and undeveloped. The ERS needs to be updated as the air quality in Palm Springs is often deemed unhealthy by the AQMD. This is another fast food drive through among many others in the location and I urge you to consider the guidelines and recommendations consistent with the Blue Zone Project adopted by Palm Springs and reject this request. Conclusion: I agree with Mayor Ron deHarte’s statement: ‘with the city’s numerous ongoing projects and initiatives, emphasizing priorities of quality of life, economic development, and becoming a “we can” city…maintaining the unique character and appeal of Palm Springs. I urge you to enact a moratorium on drive-through developments. Thank you, City of Palm Springs This is an automated message generated by Granicus. Please do not reply directly to this email. 01/09/2025 Public Comment Item 3D From:John Rahaim To:City Clerk; Chris.Hadwin@palmspringsca.gov Subject:Drive Through Moratorium Date:Thursday, January 9, 2025 3:59:50 PM NOTICE: This message originated outside of The City of Palm Springs -- DO NOT CLICK on links or open attachments unless you are sure the content is safe. Members of Palm Springs CIty Council and Director Hadwin: I appreciate your consideration of a moratorium on new drive-thrus in the city. Please DO enact such a moratorium until an analysis can be completed as to where they should best be located and how they should be designed. Citing one possibility as an example, locating an In-n-Out Burger at Smoketree Village with a drive-thru is simply not appropriate, nor is a drive-through appropriate in many other locations in the city that are located so far from the freeway. Drive-throughs cause congestion, are inherently unfriendly to pedestrians, and require a large amount of paved surfaces. The recent closure of several bank buildings along E Palm Canyon at Smoketree, along with the very long standing vacant restaurant building in that location, represent a great opportunity to re-think a large parcel in the city at a key location. I would strongly recommend that you direct your staff to develop a more detailed plan for this location. A string of free-standing fast food restaurants is a long-obsolete concept that is no longer appropriate in a city like Palm Springs. Higher quality and denser development here that could result from such a plan would benefit the businesses in Smoketree as well as create a more friendly frontage along E Palm Canyon, and could create better pedestrian flow between the street and the mall. Please take advantage of a unique opportunity and declare a moratorium on drive-throughs and a new plan for this important area. Sincerely, John Rahaim Former San Francisco Planning Director 2240 S Calle Palo Fierro #16 Palm Springs, CA 92264 rahaimjohn@gmail.com 01/09/2025 Public Comment Item 3D From:City of Palm Springs To:City Clerk Subject:*NEW SUBMISSION* Submit Public Comment to the City of Palm Springs Date:Thursday, January 9, 2025 2:33:31 PM NOTICE: This message originated outside of The City of Palm Springs -- DO NOT CLICK on links or open attachments unless you are sure the content is safe. Submit Public Comment to the City of Palm Springs Submission #:3718079 IP Address:66.27.166.153 Submission Date:01/09/2025 2:33 Survey Time:5 minutes, 16 seconds You have a new online form submission. Note: all answers displaying "*****" are marked as sensitive and must be viewed after your login. Full Name/Nombre michele johnson City of Residence/Ciudad de residencia ps, 92264, Phone (optional) /Teléfono (opcional) Email (optional/opcional) 33mich@sbcglobal.net Your Comments/Sus comentarios RE; 1-9-25 meeting, Item 3D Please approve the moratorium on drive throughs, especially on busy main streets where the traffic is bad enough as it is. Thank you. Thanks for bringing that up, Jefferey. Thank you, City of Palm Springs This is an automated message generated by Granicus. Please do not reply directly to this email. 01/09/2025 Public Comment Item 3D From:Jeffrey Bernstein To:City Clerk Subject:FW: No More Drive-throughs! Date:Thursday, January 9, 2025 12:12:13 PM Jeffrey Bernstein Mayor City of Palm Springs cell: 442-305-9942 Jeffrey.Bernstein@palmspringsca.gov From: Domicone, Harry <domicone@callutheran.edu> Sent: Thursday, January 9, 2025 9:22 AM To: Jeffrey Bernstein <Jeffrey.Bernstein@palmspringsca.gov> Subject: No More Drive-throughs! NOTICE: This message originated outside of The City of Palm Springs -- DO NOT CLICK on links or open attachments unless you are sure the content is safe. Enough is enough! Please… No more drive-throughs in Palm Springs! Respectfully, Harry Domicone Palm Springs, California USA 01/09/2025 Public Comment Item 3D From:Brad Anderson To:City Clerk Subject:Public Comment(s) for the Palm Springs City Council meeting of January 9, 2025 (5:30PM) Date:Thursday, January 9, 2025 11:21:51 AM NOTICE: This message originated outside of The City of Palm Springs -- DO NOT CLICK on links or open attachments unless you are sure the content is safe. January 9, 2025 City of Palm Springs City Council / City Hall 3200 E. Tahquitz Canyon Way Palm Springs, CA. 92262 (760) 323-8204 Attention: Clerk of the Board Re: Written letter to be entered in the Public record and made available for public Inspection for the January 9, 2025 (5:30PM regular scheduled Palm Springs City council meeting - Agenda Item(s): 1.E, 1.P, 1.Q, 1.S, & 3.D Dear current City Council members, Please review my written statements listed below prior to the consideration of each agenda Items as listed. 1)Agenda Item: 1.E (Adoption of Ordinance 2105 - Position: It's reasonable to consider that the City of Palm Springs has already violated the spirit of this proposed "New" city ordinance. Public health, safety, and walfare have been abandoned by City officials with the placement of intrusive Automatic License Plate Readers (ALPR's) cameras throughout Palm Springs City boundaries. Please consider the Public good over the willingness of city officials to continue to negatively impact city residents and guests with it's desires to install a complete surveillance system that impedes the everyday person with the uncertainty of Government intrusion into their private 2)Agenda Item(s): 1.P & 1.Q (Animal (property) City desired use) Position: Opposed Please assept this letter in opposition of the use of "Any" animal (Canine) for training and or service to accommodate the pupose of detections of "scents" that are desired to be discovered by the City of Palm Springs, California. It's reasonable to consider that other undesirables Candidates (Canines) would be discarded 01/09/2025 Public Comment Item 3D which would increase the uncertainty of placement (forever homes) for those unsuccessful candidates (Animals). Training methods (potential shock treatment) should be discouraged if not completely removed from any accepted service contract made with City officials (City of Palm Springs). The establishment of Animal's to detect desired "Scents" could and has been flawed in prior incidents throughout the world. Please reconsider any forced animal training/service within the City of Palm Springs, Riverside County California. 3)Agenda Item: 1.S (proposed Drone(s) and equipment purchase) Position: Opposed Pleaae accept this letter in opposition of this organization continued desire to install a complete surveillance system that impedes the everyday person in the City of Palm Springs, California. It's reasonable to consider that the newly approved "radar" system designed for this type of drone deployment was conspired in advance of this matter of increasing the City's drone supply with supporting equipment. It's not reasonable to have drones navigate City sky's without the safety aspect of having the drone operator(s) having a continuous unimpeded visual view of the drone activities. Furthermore, aerial reconnaissance (surveillance) over City Residents (private properties) is extremely alarming to be considered by progressive elements (Palm Springs enforcement agency) and potentially undesirable government and private sector agencies. It's been repeatedly demonstrated that "Trust" in the Palm Springs City Government have been degrading for a number of years. Simply, the City of Palm Springs and It's internal administration(s) can't be trusted to monitor and or operate the massive surveillance system (Police State radical enforcement methods) that they desire to install and operate. 4) Agenda Item: 3.D (Proposed Ordinance to deny Drive-Throughs) Position: Opposed Please assept this letter in opposition to the City of Palm Springs (City Council) impeding on Private property owners to develop there assets in an unimpeded fashion without time delays and or increased costs from actions of City government. Please consider NOT enacting an "Urgency" ordinance to puposely disassemble property owners of their rights. Sincerely, 01/09/2025 Public Comment Item 3D Brad Anderson | Rancho Mirage, CA. | Ba4612442@gmail.com Cc: 01/09/2025 Public Comment Item 3D From:City of Palm Springs To:City Clerk Subject:*NEW SUBMISSION* Submit Public Comment to the City of Palm Springs Date:Thursday, January 9, 2025 11:25:56 AM NOTICE: This message originated outside of The City of Palm Springs -- DO NOT CLICK on links or open attachments unless you are sure the content is safe. Submit Public Comment to the City of Palm Springs Submission #:3717464 IP Address:72.132.229.243 Submission Date:01/09/2025 11:25 Survey Time:6 minutes You have a new online form submission. Note: all answers displaying "*****" are marked as sensitive and must be viewed after your login. Full Name/Nombre Louis Schneider City of Residence/Ciudad de residencia Palm Springs, Phone (optional) /Teléfono (opcional) (201) 893-5528 Email (optional/opcional) mymidpath@aol.com Your Comments/Sus comentarios NO more drive through restaurants in Palm Springs. Please! Do we really need another IN & Out Burger in our area? In & Out’s were for freeway areas & was their purpose. Why have them in our neighborhoods? Especially our beautiful city of Palm Springs. Bad for all of us. Traffic, pollution, and noise! NO in In & Out in Smoketree Plaza. Thank you, City of Palm Springs This is an automated message generated by Granicus. Please do not reply directly to this email. 01/09/2025 Public Comment Item 3D From:City of Palm Springs To:City Clerk Subject:*NEW SUBMISSION* Submit Public Comment to the City of Palm Springs Date:Thursday, January 9, 2025 10:41:46 AM NOTICE: This message originated outside of The City of Palm Springs -- DO NOT CLICK on links or open attachments unless you are sure the content is safe. Submit Public Comment to the City of Palm Springs Submission #:3717296 IP Address:172.112.145.114 Submission Date:01/09/2025 10:41 Survey Time:19 minutes, 42 seconds You have a new online form submission. Note: all answers displaying "*****" are marked as sensitive and must be viewed after your login. Full Name/Nombre Michael Dudich City of Residence/Ciudad de residencia Palm Springs, Phone (optional) /Teléfono (opcional) Email (optional/opcional) Your Comments/Sus comentarios I am writing today to express my opposition to imposing a moratorium on applications for drive-thru service for new businesses. While I believe that land use applications should be vetted against a set of criteria that balances impact and benefit these reviews should be conducted as the opportunities arise as is the case of both Chick-Fil-A and the most recent announced intent of In-N-Out Burger. The timing of the drive-thru moratorium feels more like a ruse to thwart a business because people don't agree with its politics more so than concerns that it would create a public nuisance or danger. The city has mechanisms to assure that later does not occur. Members of the LGBT+ community know full well the impact of these types of indirect methods to limit or constrain expression. Personally, I don't patronize Chick-Fil-A as I find their values at some variance with my own but at the same time I respect their right to exercise their beliefs in line with the law. Thank you, City of Palm Springs This is an automated message generated by Granicus. Please do not reply directly to this email. 01/09/2025 Public Comment Item 3D From:City of Palm Springs To:City Clerk Subject:*NEW SUBMISSION* Submit Public Comment to the City of Palm Springs Date:Thursday, January 9, 2025 10:41:19 AM NOTICE: This message originated outside of The City of Palm Springs -- DO NOT CLICK on links or open attachments unless you are sure the content is safe. Submit Public Comment to the City of Palm Springs Submission #:3717294 IP Address:104.28.85.109 Submission Date:01/09/2025 10:41 Survey Time:3 minutes, 30 seconds You have a new online form submission. Note: all answers displaying "*****" are marked as sensitive and must be viewed after your login. Full Name/Nombre Michael Goble City of Residence/Ciudad de residencia Palm Springs, Phone (optional) /Teléfono (opcional) Email (optional/opcional) mjgoble@icloud.com Your Comments/Sus comentarios Why is the City Council wasting time talking about a ban on further drive-thru’s on the city? Since when is convenience a bad thing? Please table this and get on with real issues affecting our town. Thank you, City of Palm Springs This is an automated message generated by Granicus. Please do not reply directly to this email. 01/09/2025 Public Comment Item 3D From:Anis Khalil To:City Clerk Subject:Drive Thru Moratorium Date:Thursday, January 9, 2025 8:29:55 AM NOTICE: This message originated outside of The City of Palm Springs -- DO NOT CLICK on links or open attachments unless you are sure the content is safe. Hello Please note and for the record: I am totally opposed to the opening of more Drive Thrus in the City of Palm Springs, ever. They bring traffic, congestion, and air pollution to the city streets and neighborhoods they are in. Cars idle and spew toxic fumes as they wait to be served. People will sit in their cars as they wait for their super-caloric fat meals. Whatever happened to the “Blue Zone” that PS wants to be? People living long here and all that? You can’t be both a freeway exit AND a Blue Zone! Also how is allowing more national fast-food chains in the center of town helping the home-grown and local businesses in Palm Springs that the city says it cherishes and supports so much? The profits and benefits of those businesses will flow out of the community and into far-flung corporate headquarters. Drive-Thrus belong on the sides of Freeways and not in the center of towns, and especially not in a city like Palm Springs, that purports itself to be an architectural draw for the world.. Best, Anis Khalil - Owner Low Desert / Modern Mexican Smoke Tree Village 1775 E Palm Canyon Dr # 405 Palm Springs, CA 92264 (760) 656 0231 www.lowdesert.net 01/09/2025 Public Comment Item 3D From:City of Palm Springs To:City Clerk Subject:*NEW SUBMISSION* Submit Public Comment to the City of Palm Springs Date:Thursday, January 9, 2025 6:41:42 AM NOTICE: This message originated outside of The City of Palm Springs -- DO NOT CLICK on links or open attachments unless you are sure the content is safe. Submit Public Comment to the City of Palm Springs Submission #:3716622 IP Address:166.199.113.8 Submission Date:01/09/2025 6:41 Survey Time:8 minutes, 45 seconds You have a new online form submission. Note: all answers displaying "*****" are marked as sensitive and must be viewed after your login. Full Name/Nombre Warren Becker City of Residence/Ciudad de residencia Palm Springs, Phone (optional) /Teléfono (opcional) Email (optional/opcional) palmspringswarren@gmail.com Your Comments/Sus comentarios I support a moratorium banning new drive throughs in PS. Drive throughs don't add any character to a city. Rather, they make one city indistinguishable from another. Cookie Cutter cities is what I call them. You don't know which city you're in, and you really don't care. That's sad. Add to this the issue of increased traffic and pollution and drive throughs become a net negative on PS. Thank you, City of Palm Springs This is an automated message generated by Granicus. Please do not reply directly to this email. 01/09/2025 Public Comment Item 3D From:Charles Drabkin To:Naomi Soto Cc:Ron deHarte; City Clerk Subject:Drive-Through Moratorium Date:Wednesday, January 8, 2025 3:38:34 PM NOTICE: This message originated outside of The City of Palm Springs -- DO NOT CLICK on links or open attachments unless you are sure the content is safe. Councilmember Soto, I would like to ask that you support the implementation of a moratorium on drive-through restaurants in Palm Springs. As you well know, Palm Springs is seeing a rise in environmental air quality issues, and drive-through restaurants simply add idling car exhaust to the mix. These sorts of restaurants are counter to Palm Springs stated goals that are meant to encourage people to spend less time in their cars and improve our air quality. Thank you. Charles Drabkin 206.850.5205 cdrabkin@hotmail.com @cdrabkin.bsky.social — Bluesky He/Him/His Restaurant & Food News Archives -(cvindependent.com) 11 Days a Week Archives - Coachella Valley Independent (cvindependent.com) Charles (@chefthunder) • Instagram photos and videos 01/09/2025 Public Comment Item 3D From:Chase Potter To:City Clerk Subject:Drive thru moratorium Date:Wednesday, January 8, 2025 1:23:02 PM NOTICE: This message originated outside of The City of Palm Springs -- DO NOT CLICK on links or open attachments unless you are sure the content is safe. I like many others have been encouraged to message you to offer my views on the proposed moratorium. I fully support a halt on new drive thru businesses. I find myself hard pressed to think of any location in Palm Springs where a new drive thru would not create further traffic snarls. The intersection of Ramon and Gene Autry is a great example. Traffic is already backed up in multiple direction for much of the day. Allowing any business, especially one known to have lines into streets elsewhere, to open in that location is just dumb. I would also point you towards the Starbucks on Sunrise, in front of Ralph's. The exit from this business creates a snarl, though limited to the parking lot at most times. A business bigger than that even on a corner with such passable roads, would complicate exiting the plaza onto Sunrise and Ramon both. This holds true for almost every intersection in the City, we're just too busy. Palm Springs has grown beyond village status. The existing restrictions are no longer enough, and PS needs to move into a new chapter as a city. Our trend towards more full time residents requires that our city streets remain passable and safe year round. Adding businesses with convoluted entrances and exits only adds to "rage driving" and accidents on our streets. I thank you for taking the time to consider all our remarks, and look forward to a decision to create a safer city by simply pausing new drive thru locations. Chase Potter 01/09/2025 Public Comment Item 3D From:Jeffrey Bernstein To:City Clerk Subject:Fwd: Drive-thru Date:Sunday, January 5, 2025 1:32:18 PM Thank you! Jeffrey Jeffrey Bernstein Council Member City of Palm Springs 442-305-9942 Jeffrey.Bernstein@palmspringsca.gov Begin forwarded message: From: Dennis Woods <dennis.l.woods@gmail.com> Subject: Drive-thru Date: December 17, 2024 at 4:14:30 PM PST To: Jeffrey.Bernstein@palmspringsca.gov NOTICE: This message originated outside of The City of Palm Springs -- DO NOT CLICK on links or open attachments unless you are sure the content is safe. Dear Councilmember, Thank you for serving as mayor. I understand that you will be considering drive-thrus in Palm Springs. I have been asked to write to you. For a variety of reasons, allowing drive-thrus is not a good 01/09/2025 Public Comment Item 3D choice for the City and its image as a City "Like No Place Else". Palm Springs Mission Statement is: "Palm Springs is an inclusive world class city dedicated to providing excellent and responsive public services to enhance the quality of life for current and future generations." Permitting a drive-thrus will: - Not enhance our quality of life for current or future residents - Is discriminatory and not inclusive - Diminishes our "Like No Place Else" image - Endangers pedestrians, bicyclists, and the disabled - Is not in keeping with our mission statement - Won’t do anything to improve the surrounding neighborhoods. - Is not healthy for workers - is dependent upon disposable packaging - Has negative environmental consequences not satisfying the principals of our: 1.Sustainability Master Plan 2. Climate Action Roadmap 3. Climate Action Plan 4. Non-motorized Transportation Plan The City’s built environment should look and evoke in people a feeling that they are entering a place like nowhere else. Allowing drive-thrus visually diminishes the principles by which the City is built upon and sends a strong message that we are Not unique or care about our 01/09/2025 Public Comment Item 3D environment or the health of our people. Becoming more car dependent is contrary to the plans we have in place. Our built environment should reinforce our mission statement, plans, and our hopes for our future. There are many news and scholarly articles on the dangers of drive-thrus below are just a couple. In June 2023 CNN published an article on why drive- thrus are creating problems for cities and towns. https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/24/business/drive-thru- fast-food-chick-fil-a-urban-planning/index.html The article states drive-thrus are: "Magnets of traffic and congestion, drive-thrus discourage walking, public transit use and visits to neighboring businesses. They also lead to accidents with pedestrians, cyclists and other cars, and contradict the environmental and livability goals of many communities." The MinnPost wrote an article about why drive-thrus are bad for cities: The article states: "drive-thrus can be inaccessible to anyone not in a car. Many fast-food restaurants close their walk-in restaurants late at night, while keeping their drive- thrus open (sometimes 24 hours). This practice actually prompted a lawsuit against a local White Castle back in 2009, when a woman on an electric scooter argued that drive-thru-only service amounted to discrimination." 01/09/2025 Public Comment Item 3D Even the US Department of Labor discusses the hazards of drive-thrus on young workers (let alone older workers) including: 1. Car exhaust 2. Noise 3. Prolonged standing 4. Strains and sprains 5. Workplace violence My opinion has nothing to do with the recent application for Chic fil a but the fact that the proposal contains a drive-thru. I believe in and want to reinforce the magic that Palm Springs offers the world over and to do that we need to continue to make decisions that will keep us a world class tourist destination as well as a livable place for our residents. Drive thrus do not do that. I am happy to discuss in more detail at your pleasure. Thanks for your time and service. Cordially, Dennis Woods 310.710.7123 01/09/2025 Public Comment Item 3D From:Jeffrey Bernstein To:City Clerk Subject:Fwd: Drive-thru moratorium Date:Sunday, January 5, 2025 1:32:53 PM Attachments:Drive-thru issues.pdf Thank you! Jeffrey Jeffrey Bernstein Council Member City of Palm Springs 442-305-9942 Jeffrey.Bernstein@palmspringsca.gov Begin forwarded message: From: Patrick Stonebraker <johnpatrickpsca@gmail.com> Subject: Drive-thru moratorium Date: December 18, 2024 at 9:56:50 AM PST To: jeffrey.bernstein@palmspringsca.gov NOTICE: This message originated outside of The City of Palm Springs -- DO NOT CLICK on links or open attachments unless you are sure the content is safe. Good morning Jeffrey, I saw the article in the Desert Sun about a possible drive-thru moratorium. I am retired from the City of Phoenix Planning and Development Department where I reviewed building plans for fire code compliance. The traffic issues/accidents and resulting necessity for response from fire personnel caused city management to require closure of the Dutch Brothers location closest to the light-rail station (Camelback Rd and Central Ave). The Chick-fil-A location being near the airport entrance from Ramon/Gene Autry might be similarly unwise given the expected increase in air traffic. The attached PDF contains comments made on Facebook regarding the problem. Hopefully, this information will at least be fuel for the fire to continue the discussion of a possible moratorium. 01/09/2025 Public Comment Item 3D Thanks for all you do, Patrick PS: The Open House/Toy Drive event was fun! 01/09/2025 Public Comment Item 3D From:Dennis Woods To:City Clerk Subject:Comments Date:Tuesday, December 17, 2024 4:39:39 PM NOTICE: This message originated outside of The City of Palm Springs -- DO NOT CLICK on links or open attachments unless you are sure the content is safe. Dear City Clerk, Please distribute to the City Council and the staff involved in writing a staff report. Also please enter it into the official record. Thank You. Dear Mayor and Councilmembers. I understand that you will be considering drive- thrus in Palm Springs. I have been asked to write to you. For a variety of reasons, allowing drive-thrus is not a good choice for the City and its image as a City "Like No Place Else". Palm Springs Mission Statement is: "Palm Springs is an inclusive world class city dedicated to providing excellent and responsive public services to enhance the quality of life for current and future generations." Permitting a drive-thrus will: - Not enhance our quality of life for current or future residents - Is discriminatory and not inclusive - Diminishes our "Like No Place Else" image - Endangers pedestrians, bicyclists, and the disabled - Is not in keeping with our mission statement 01/09/2025 Public Comment Non-Agenda - Won’t do anything to improve the surrounding neighborhoods. - Is not healthy for workers - is dependent upon disposable packaging - Has negative environmental consequences not satisfying the principals of our: 1. Sustainability Master Plan 2. Climate Action Roadmap 3. Climate Action Plan 4. Non-motorized Transportation Plan The City’s built environment should look and evoke in people a feeling that they are entering a place like nowhere else. Allowing drive-thrus visually diminishes the principles by which the City is built upon and sends a strong message that we are Not unique or care about our environment or the health of our people. Becoming more car dependent is contrary to the plans we have in place. Our built environment should reinforce our mission statement, plans, and our hopes for our future. There are many news and scholarly articles on the dangers of drive-thrus below are just a couple. In June 2023 CNN published an article on why drive-thrus are creating problems for cities and towns. https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/24/business/drive- thru-fast-food-chick-fil-a-urban- planning/index.html 01/09/2025 Public Comment Non-Agenda The article states drive-thrus are: "Magnets of traffic and congestion, drive- thrus discourage walking, public transit use and visits to neighboring businesses. They also lead to accidents with pedestrians, cyclists and other cars, and contradict the environmental and livability goals of many communities." The MinnPost wrote an article about why drive- thrus are bad for cities: The article states: "drive-thrus can be inaccessible to anyone not in a car. Many fast-food restaurants close their walk-in restaurants late at night, while keeping their drive-thrus open (sometimes 24 hours). This practice actually prompted a lawsuit against a local White Castle back in 2009, when a woman on an electric scooter argued that drive-thru-only service amounted to discrimination." Even the US Department of Labor discusses the hazards of drive-thrus on young workers (let alone older workers) including: 1.Car exhaust 2. Noise 3. Prolonged standing 4. Strains and sprains 5. Workplace violence 01/09/2025 Public Comment Non-Agenda My opinion has nothing to do with the recent application for Chic fil a but the fact that the proposal contains a drive-thru. I believe in and want to reinforce the magic that Palm Springs offers the world over and to do that we need to continue to make decisions that will keep us a world class tourist destination as well as a livable place for our residents. Drive thrus do not do that. I am happy to discuss in more detail at your pleasure. Thanks for your time and service. Cordially, Dennis Woods 310.710.7123 01/09/2025 Public Comment Non-Agenda azcentral · The Dutch Bros at Central Avenue and Camelback Road will have to move out by March 2020. March 22, 2019 AZCENTRAL.COM Here's why the only Central Phoenix Dutch Bros. will have to close and move soon 300 335 comments 179 shares Like Comment Share Most relevant 5y Natascha Carrillo I Dutch but this location is super hard to get in and out of!! I avoid it at all costs. I’m sure the new location will be much better. 15 5y Ron Archuleta I think part of the problem is one of the reasons DB is popular. Their employees are TOO friendly, and the line crawls as a result. I've seen someone get their drink, and the employee will still stand there and talk to them for two minutes before going… See more 13 View 1 reply 5y Jason Schulz Work on 12th st/Glendale next !! Accidents here almost daily, because of the traffic 10 View all 3 replies 5y Natalie Ryan Cole Cool, I'll actually be able to get into the Golden Rule parking lot! F DB 8 5y Connie Ellington Maybe cities need to stop the exceptions of fewer parking spots and smaller drive thru lines. I can’t stand driving in downtown Gilbert because the right lane is always blocked! 7 5y Jennifer Schuck-Trujillo This was dangerous. The line backed out into the road everyday. It’s better for all that they open the new location. They outgrew this one 6 5y Sandra Alva Uriostegui I love Dutch bros but their locations are terrible! Must they always be on a corner? It’s really annoying 3 View 1 reply 5y Alison Dalton Super friendly staff & great drinks. dutch bros!! 6 5y Jessica VanDeventer Heideman This is a good thing! Trying to turn west onto Camelback from central can get super crazy! Ryan Heideman 3 5y Tiffany Griswold Bert 12th st and Glendale should leave too! 5 5y Tasha Hoftiezer Henstein This needs to happen in Gilbert as well at the one near downtown Gilbert. 3 View 1 reply 5y Zoé Deib All of their locations are insanely busy. They need to rethink their model to accommodate for the increased traffic, both in person and vehicle. What are other shops doing that Dutch bros is not, is the question. There's a lack efficiency here. View 1 reply 5y Sheila Grijalva Theres another Dutch Bros on 12th st and Glendale 2 View all 5 replies 5y Tim A. McKinstry I am pretty sure many of the Dutch Bros Customers have shopped at the following business and it is my belief that their overall customer traffic will go down once Dutch moves/closes. Stinkweeds… See more View all 2 replies 5y Dallas Leah Cummings Oh no! Austin (who was work at 4pm on Saturday March 16th) better still have a job! He is amazing and we absolutely adore him! 5y John Dahl Let me guess, it’s like every Dutch Bros... on the wrong side of the street... and not efficient at making drinks. 5y Abe Rivera Dutch Bros. is $6 liquid crack that you have to wait 45 minutes for. 7 View all 5 replies 5y Cameron John Stafford Im glad they are closing,they’re in a bad spot 5y Christopher Weed This was the right decision. That place is a nuisance. 35 View all 2 replies 5y Top fan Kristi Gabriel Worst location ever! when this was being built I shook my head and said how could they do this traffic jam nightmare so stupid!! 2 5y Tim A. McKinstry I've been to this location dozens of times since it opened and ALWAYS on a bicycle. It seems weird that they would close the walk up. 5y Frances Carreras Chavez Make one here at 19th ave and Bethany.Thank you. 5y Kayla France Uh...because it blocks traffic and causes accidents? I love Dutch Bros, but I think this is the right move. There have got to be better spots for a Dutch Bros in Central Phoenix. I would even support a location that DOESN'T have a drive thru. 5y Donna Muccilli They need to move in the parking lot of the central park mall 5y Pam Johnson The Paradise Valley mall location is ridiculous also!! 5y Belinda Ann Sherwood They just opened one in Casa Grande & the lines are ridiculous They made a small parking lot & have limited space for the drive through so the cars line up around the st View all 3 replies 5y Tiffany Gallen There’s one at 28th St. and Indian school, is that not considered central? 5y Demel Toth Nick Toth now we can not worry about getting plowed by traffic at the new location..... until that one outgrows it’s area... View 1 reply 5y Arlinda Ben Move to Indian School and central. There's an empty lot where Chevron use to be ... bigger lot 5y Jennifer Smith Never really understood the Dutch brother drive through line that end up on the main road. They are dangerous im not to sure why they dont get into trouble over it yet. Main roads are for driving not for drive throughs. Email or phone Password Log In Forgot Account? Log in or sign up for Facebook to connect with friends, family and people you know. Log In or Create new account 01/09/2025 Public Comment Item 3D