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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1989/07/26 - MINUTES Y PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES Council Chamber, City Hall July 26, 1989 1:30 p.m. ROLL CALL F-Y 1988 - 1989 Present Present Excused Absences Planning Commission This Meeting to Date to Date Larry Lapham, Chairman X 2 0 Gary Olsen X 2 0 Barbara Whitney X 2 0 Brent Hough - 1 1 Martha Edgmon X 2 0 Chris Mills X 2 0 Michael Dotson X 2 0 Staff Present Marvin D. Roos , Planning Director Siegfried Siefkes, Assistant City Attorney Douglas Evans , Assistant Planning Director Debra Goodwin, Planner Richard Patenaude, Planner Sherri Abbas, Planner Dave Forcucci , Planner Dean Lewis, Traffic Engineer Mary E. Lawler, Recording Secretary i Architectural Advisory Committee - July 24, 1989 Chris Mills, Acting Chairman Absent: Brent Hough, Chairman Will Kleindienst Mike Buccino William Johnson Tom Doczi Reuel Young Chairman called the meeting to order at 1 :30 p.m. M/S/C (Edgmon/Olsen; Hough absent) approving minutes of July 12, 1989 with the following correction: Page 3, CASE 3.0560. Delete conditions 1, 2, 3. Add: That the street tree be Chilean Pepper. ADMINISTRATIVE NOTE: There were no Tribal Council comments. REPORT OF POSTING AGENDA: The July 26, 1989 agenda was available for public access at the City Hall exterior bulletin board and the Planning Division Counter by 5:00 p.m. , Friday, July 21, 1989. July 26, 1989 PC MINUTES Page 2 CONSENT ACTION AGENDA Approval of architectural cases is valid for two years. The approval granted must be exercised within that time period unless extended . Assistant Planning Director (Evans) presented the cases on the board. M/S/C (Olsen/Edgmon; Hough absent) taking the following actions: CASE 5.0459-PD-193 (CONTINUED). Application by KAPTUR/CIOFFI for architectural j approval of revised final development plans for a planned development district for mixed use resort/commercial including retail , office, and food uses on E1 Cielo Road between Tahquitz McCallum Way/Ramon Road, P Zone, Section 18. Continued to August 9 at the applicant' s request. CASE 3.0416. Application by JAMES JEFFORDS, SR. for architecture approval of revised elevations for a single-family residence on Southridge Drive, R-1-A Zone, Section 25. Approved subject to the following condition: That Cantilever patio slab overlap the wall by 14" . CASE 3.0445. Application by OUR LADY OF SOLITUDE CHURCH for architectural approval of irrigation and landscape plan for the new classroom building at 151 W. Alejo Road , CBD Zone, Section 15. Restudy noting the following: That photos of the existing landscaping be provided for AAC review. CASE 3.0615. Application by JACK BERNABUCCI for architectural approval of a garden wall for a single-family, hillside residence at 1500 Hillview Cove, R-1-C Zone, Section 1. Continued to August 9, 1989. CASE 3.0632 (MINOR). Application by GEORGE SEBRA for architectural approval of an exterior remodel to an existing hotel on the southwest corner of Via Miraleste/Vista Chino , R-2 Zone, Section 11. New addition (Pavilion) Restudy of the following: 1 . That more detail in materials used be provided . `"� 2. That overall building height be lowered. July 26, 1989 PC MINUTES Page 3 CONSENT AGENDA (Continued) CASE 3.0632 (MINOR) . (Continued) 3. That the design be made more authentic. Addition to existing building Approved subject to the following condition: That the entry roof element match, the tea room roof design. i SIGN APPLICATION (CONTINUED). Application by IMPERIAL SIGN COMPANY for revised main identification sign for Hilton Hotel , 400 E. Tahquitz Way, C-1-AA/R-4- TP Zone (I.L.) , Section 14. Continued to August 9, 1989. j i SIGN APPLICATION (CASE 3.0272) CONTINUED. Application by VOSS INVESTMENTS for architectural approval of a revised sign program for a retail/restaurant complex on the northeast corner of Avenida Cabal leros/Tahquitz Way, C-1- AA/R-4-VP Zone (I.L.), Section 14. Continued to August 9, 1989 at the applicant' s request. CASE 3.0564. Application by JOHN LASLO for architectural approval of landscape plans for a restaurant at 1785 E. Tahquitz-McCallum Way, C-1 Zone, Section 13. Approved subject to the following condition: That dwarf oleander be added to screen the parking area: (landscape screen in lieu of the wall require- ment.) ITEMS REMOVED FROM CONSENT ACTION AGENDA Approval of architectural cases is valid for two years. The approval granted must be exercised within that time period unless extended. CASE 3.0626. Application by ROGER MARTIN for architectural approval a 4-unit apartment complex at 1965 S. Camino Real , R-2 Zone, Section 26. Planner (Abbas) stated that the AAC found the project generally acceptable if AAC recommendations were followed and that the committee did not object to the elevations. Commissioner Mills stated that he was at the AAC Meeting as Acting Chairman and felt that there was no architectural continuity of the buildings with the carports or the walls; that three elevations are not visible but the July 26, 1989 PC MINUTES Page 4 J CONSENT AGENDA (Continued) CASE 3.0626. (Continued) front elevation should have a better appearance; that the AAC did not address the architecture of the building. Commissioner Edgmon stated that the building appears very plain. Commissioner Whitney stated that she had thought the AAC addressed the architecture. Roger Martin, Santa Rosa, the applicant, stated that he would live in one of the units; that he would address the concerns of the AAC; that he understood Commissioner Mills comments; and that the revised elevations , per AAC recommendations , would address Commissioner Mills concerns. Commissioner Mills stated that the front elevation should be redesigned and submitted for Commission review. M/S/C (Mills/Dotson; Hough absent) for a restudy of the application noting Commission concerns described above. SIGN APPLICATION. Appl.ication by IMPERIAL SIGN COMPANY for "Swifty' s" for archi- tectural approval of main identification sign for restaurant (former Bakers Square), 411 E. Palm Canyon Drive, R-3 Zone, Section 26. Planner (Forcucci ) stated that the applicant is requesting a main identifi- cation sign; that the restaurant is part of the Tropics Hotel complex; that the applicant is requesting a cabinet sign shaped like a lighting bolt (their logo); and that the AAC approved the application subject to condi- tions. Commissioner Dotson commented that had concerns about the sign, the color, the proportions, and that the sign should be restudied. Motion was made by Dotson for a restudy; there was no second and the motion died. Commissioner Olsen stated that the AAC conditions were apt but that the colors if not done right could be objectionable. He suggested that the sign company submit a sample of the plastic. Planner stated that the finish on the sign was matte; that the sign is well within the square footage allowed; that staff was concerned about the lighting bolt shape and the stacking of two lines of copy (that with AAC recommendations to lengthen the sign it would appear more like a lightening bolt) the letters would be unstacked and that the yellow lighting bolt logo might have to be deleted. He stated that back lighting will give a pleasing halo effect. Commissioner Olsen suggested that the AAC and Commission review the site when the AAC design concerns have been met by the applicant. i July 26, 1989 PC MINUTES Page 5 ITEMS REMOVED FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA (Continued) SIGN APPLICATION. (Continued) M/S/C (Olsen/Whitney; Hough absent) continuing the application to August 9 for review by the AAC and Commission after the applicant complies with directions of the AAC regarding design . CASE 3.0646 (MINOR). Application by MAXIM' S HOTEL for architectural approval of an outdoor dining trellis for hotel at 285 N. Palm Canyon Drive, CBD Zone, Section 15. Planner (Abbas) stated that the applicants want a trellis covering the out- door dining area for Maxims Hotel on N. Palm Canyon; that the trellis pro- posed is wood in a serpentine shape (following the pool shape); that after lengthy discussion the AAC had concerns that the wood trellis material would be a problem because of warping and cracking and continuity with the hotel itself and recommended restudy; that the Committee felt also that micro-mist cooling would form aluminium deposits on the wood; and that the AAC suggested metal as a material . David Christian, 1000 S. Palm Canyon, stated that he and other applicants often do not see "eye to eye" with the AAC; that the wood trellis design had been discussed with Maxim' s; that the hotel is sterile; that the pro- posed wood trellis will bring it character, warmth, and European charm ; that micro-cooling could also cause similar problems to a metal trellis; that the AAC often says that that is not the way they would do it, but that it might work which is unfair; that the most vocal member of the AAC at the time has to be pleased by the design; that the AAC has become more critical and no project goes unscathed; that the design is a reasonable solution to the problem; that comments and details that improve the structure would be welcome; that painted wood for the trellis is what the applicant is requesting; and that the applicant may not construct the structure at all if the application is denied . Chairman stated that the wood trellis 2 x 2's would only last one season. Mr. Christian stated that the supports could be larger (4 x 4's) and an angled brace put in for stablization; and that the applicant wants to do the structure well . Chairman suggested glu-lam beams for all the elements. Mr. Christian stated that the supports are glu-lams; and that they are painted Commissioner Whitney asked about the motivation behind the trellis. Mr. Christian replied that there is an outdoor restaurant but that it has marginal shade during the day and no heaters for nighttime dining and the area can only be used a small part of the year. He stated that with the design submitted, outdoor dining hours will be extended; that nighttime dining will be scheduled in the winter because heaters can be installed in the structure, that the structure is 11 to 12 ft. high; and that the con- cept is that of a sidewalk cafe. i July 26, 1989 PC MINUTES Page 6 ITEMS REMOVED FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA (Continued) CASE 3.0646 (MINOR) . (Continued) Planning Director commented that the patio steps up and the trellis is following that stepping. He stated that the design concept was not a problem and that there is nothing wrong with the ambience of the structure but that there is a concern on the detail of whether or not the materials will last and also will go well with the structure. Commissioner Edgmon commented that the serpentine design is good and asked whether or not the micro-cooling would affect the glu-lam beams. Mr. Christian replied that the beams would be painted; that glu-lams are more stable and that the micro-cooling could be done on a trial basis; and that he knew that dealing with moisture is foreign to the desert. Commissioner Olsen stated that the hotel has beautiful marble floors and is luxurious and wondered why something similar was not designed. Mr. Christian replied that the applicants do not feel that marble is a better material for the outdoor cafe and that wood would be used even if costs were not a consideration since the hoteliers want to bring a European character to the cafe because the hotel is a glitzy, flat, cold urban design. He stated that the cafe will have a smaller scaled space; and will be profitable. Chairman asked if Commissioner Mills could explain the AAC concerns regarding the material . Commissioner Mills stated that the AAC felt that the concept was not acceptable as it relates to the particular building (hotel ); that larger beams would not solve the problem; that micro-mist is a problem and will cause alkaline deposits on the wood whether or not it is painted or stained; that the wood should not be painted; and that Maxim' s may not think there is a problem before it is constructed; but when the paint peels and cracks and the structure has to be sandblasted, it will become a problem. He stated that the AAC suggested metal because of the stability of the material and the ability to craft metal into the highly irregular shape. Mr. Christian stated that painted metal will also show alkaline deposits. Commissioner Mills stated that from that standpoint there is no difference between the wood and metal and that because of the dryness of the desert paint does not shrink the same as would and peels; that the structure will be a maintenance problem; that stain rather than paint should be used; that the detailing is not addressed as well as it should be; that the construc- tion will have to have a craftsman to decipher all the angles; and that if the Commission approves the design, working drawings should be submitted as part of the review process; that the construction has to be exact, to have a good appearance; and that there is much conflicting detail to be resolved. i July 26, 1989 PC MINUTES Page 7 ITEMS REMOVED FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA (Continued) CASE 3.0646 (MINOR) . (Continued) Commissioner Edgmon commented that she did not like the color. Commissioner Olsen stated that he did and that he liked the concept; and that if problems were solved the proposal might be acceptable. the Commissioner Mills asked if AAC member Kliendienst who was in /audience, would comment on the AAC concerns . Will Kleindienst, AAC member, 121 S. Palm Canyon Drive, stated that the issue from his viewpoint is architectural response, not the materials; that the question is how the design relates to the context and in this instance the context is Maxim' s and the design has nothing to do with the context in colors, rhythms , and patterns; that if the project were reviewed in a non- contextural response, any design could be done; that most of the AAC felt that contextural issue was not addressed; and that the building demands a different solution. He stated that the color is acceptable. Commissioner Whitney commented that she disagreed with the concept . M/S/C (Olsen/Edgmon; Whitney dissented; Hough absent) for a restudy of the material and for the applicant to address color and concept in the context of a more integrated appearance with the hotel . PUBLIC HEARINGS 5.0421-PD-185 (REVISED) - CONTINUED. Application by DESERT HOSPITAL for a revised Planned Development District in lieu of a change of zone for a hospital master plan and expansion including highrise structures , parking, and a helicopter pad (on Tachevah Drive) for property on North Indian Avenue between Tachevah Drive/Paseo El Mirador, R-4 Zone, Section 11. (Commission response; (comments received from attorney Kip Lyons . regarding the draft Negative Declaration); action.) Planner (Patenaude) stated that Commission concerns were discussed in a study session on July 19 regarding the helipad, the emergency room location, and the parking structures' location and height; that staff requested continuance to review a revised traffic study but that none has been received; and a continuance is again recommended. He stated that more letters have been received regarding neighbors' concerns regarding the parking structures , the helipad, and the emergency services location; and that a letter has been received from attorney Kip Lyons representing Shawn Sales on Avenida Olivos, taking exception to the environmental review; that three letters have been received in support of the helipad. He stated that a letter had been received from a- parent group at Katherine Finchey School requesting continuance to September for parents return from vaca- tions, and that one of the letters in support requested that the phasing of the parking structures be changed so that the Indian Avenue parking building is built first. July 26, 1989 PC MINUTES Page 8 PUBLIC HEARINGS (Continued) 5.0421-PD-185 (REVISED) - CONTINUED. (Continued) Chairman declared the hearing open. Mike Fontana, Desert Hospital , Planning Vice-President, stated that he felt that the requirements of the Traffic Engineer should be conditioned for installation as warranted rather than wait for a revised traffic study; and in regard to the trauma center having a helipad he has done research in several cities and found that of 22 trauma centers only 2 do not have heli- pads (Desert Hospital and Riverside Community); and that Riverside Community removed theirs in a rebuilding program and are now evaluating rebuilding it; that research on accidents in a 1977 study showed many flying hours with few accidents; that a study in 1988 showed 110,000 trans- fers by helicopter with only three deaths of which two were caused by the helicopter striking obstacles on a non-approved helipad and also because of bad weather. He stated that the Desert Hospital pad will be lighted; that the transfer by ambulance from the airport which is being done presently creates a 15 minute delay and is not a satisfactory situation; that Dr. Frank Ercoli , Director of the Trauma Center at the hospital would speak on the trauma center and helipad; and that the Master Plan was designed to take the best advantage of physical resources and space including a separate entrance for the emergency, surgery and radiology sections which is necessary at a trauma center. Commissioner Whitney left. Dr. Frank Ercoli , Director of the hospital trauma center, described his experience and training as a trauma specialist and stated as a regional trauma center it is essential that there be a helicopter pad at the hospital ; that with a trauma center there are less trauma deaths than there are if patients are cared for in an emergency room; that direct delivery of patients is more beneficial then transporting them from another location to the hospital ; that statistics show few accidents compared to the number of helicopter flights; and that safety must be considered but actually plays a small role in helicopter service. Chairman asked the difference between an emergency room and a fully accredited trauma center. Dr. Ercoli explained that an emergency room takes care of emergencies such as heart attacks , and simple broken bones, but a trauma center has facili- ties and services for immediate care of traumatized patients through many directly available services on a 24 hour basis with a specially trained staff; that there is a "golden hour" in which the patient has more of a chance for survival if treatment is begun with the 592 minutes after the trauma; that the 15 minute delay experienced currently could mean the difference between life and death for the patient; that there are too many undesirable variables when a patient is being transferred. July 26, 1989 PC MINUTES Page 9 PUBLIC HEARINGS (Continued) 5.0421-PD-185 (REVISED) - CONTINUED. (Continued) Commissioner Olsen asked who makes the decision on whether or not a patient is brought to the hospital by helicopter or transferred to an ambulance at the airport. Dr. Ercoli stated that the surgeon in the trauma center makes that decision and that if he were the doctor making the decision no patient of his would land at the airport. Commissioner Olsen asked if the doctor' s reply meant that a patient with a broken leg, for example , would be flown to the helipad. Dr. Ercoli replied that the patient would be flown to the helipad. Will Kleindienst, property owner on E1 Mirador and Vereda del Sur, next to the hospital , stated that he was well informed by the hospital staff regarding the Master Plan; that he was pleased that Paseo El Mirador was being closed because the street will be safer for residents; that the emergency room on Tachevah will alleviate concerns of the residents; that the increase in surface parking will alleviate hospital employee parking problems; that relocation of the helipad is sensible; that he did not have a problem with the helipad and it is essential and necessary for a trauma center; that if a buyer purchases a home in a hospital area he should accept the hospital functions; that his only concern is the parking struc- ture on Indian should be built first. 'that Dr. David Brodie, stated that he was in favor of the helipad because he was severely injured in an auto accident and the only snag in his excellent care and recovery was the transfer at the airport to an ambulance. He stated that two world wars have proved it is necessary to have a quick arrival at a trauma center to save lives . John Wessman, 72200 Clancy Lane, Rancho Mirage, stated that the helipad is necessary for a trauma center and the City should help the hospital all it can. Kip Lyons, 400 S. Farrell , attorney representing Mr. Shawn Sales, on Los Olivos , stated that it is not a question of whether or not the trauma center is a good idea but a question of its appropriateness at the proposed location; that the project has environmental impacts which must be con- sidered; that the negative declaration is probably not adequate; that facts must be determined such as the number of flights and the types of heli- copters; and requested that the hearing be postponed until September to allow everyone interested to attend. Mary Lawler, 2268 E N. Indian , property owner in the Palm Springs Townhomes Condominium complex, north of the hospital , stated that she had not planned to speak, but most of the residents of the Townhomes are gone for the summer, as is Vince Dundee who would have voiced opposition; that the impacts remain even though the location of the helipad has changed; that the policy of airport landings has caused no loss of life and should be continued; that the helipad is not a requirement of a trauma center and is i July 26, 1989 PC MINUTES Page 10 PUBLIC HEARINGS (Continued) 5.0421-PD-185 (REVISED) - CONTINUED. (Continued) insensitive to the neighborhood; that helicopters reach a 85 decibel noise j level at 100 feet on landing which is the equivalent of a pneumatic drill at 50 feet; that helicopters crash, become entangled in power lines (of which there are many in the hospital area); and that they are guided to night landings by pulsating strobe lights which will degrade the nighttime environment of the neighborhood; and that many of the neighbors have joined together in a law suit of which the hospital directors were informed in February of 1988. Ralph Clemens, 987 Ave. Palos Verdes , stated that he had just bought his house with escrow closing two weeks ago; that he is concerned about the effects of the helipad on children and his property values . He requested that the Commission consider his concerns; stated that the tranquility of the neighborhood will be destroyed; and that he would not have bought his home near the hospital had he known about the helipad. Barbara J. Brown, 940 Ave. Olivos, stated that she was an emergency room nurse and that the emergency services were necessary but that they should not be on Tachevah where they would affect the neighborhood. Debbie Foster, 943 Ave. Olivos , stated that she was opposed to the location of the emergency room on Tachevah and to the helipad; and stated that she understood why Mr. Kliendienst liked the location because the problem was removed from his area on Paseo E1 Mirador, but that she was very opposed to the location of the emergency area. Commissioner Dotson asked if the previous projections of helicopter landing frequency were correct since Dr. Ercoli indicated that patients with broken legs, for example, would be flown directly to the hospital . Mr. Fontana stated that non-life threatening cases would still be landed at the airport and transferred to the airport by ambulance. Planner stated regarding the previous negative declaration given to the original planned development district that the impact of the helipad and emergency services remains the same; that only the location has changed; and that is the reason for using the previous 1987 environmental review checklist for the revised Master Plan. In reply to Commissioner Olsen' s question regarding day time or nighttime frequency of landings, Mr. Fontana stated that there are no figures avail- able but that the landing hours are mixed. Commissioner Edgmon asked about the strobe lights on the helipad and their shielding. Mr. Fontana stated that only when the hospital has been notified of a flight will the lights will be turned on; that they shine directly upward; and that the source should not be seen by the neighborhood. He stated that the noise study was based on a large twin rotor military helicopter. July 26, 1989 PC MINUTES Page 11 5.0421-PD-185 (REVISED) - CONTINUED. (Continued) Commissioner Dotson stated that he supported the trauma center, but recom- mended that a creative solution be sought for a better location for the hel i pad. Commissioner Olsen asked about the length of time of the noise disturbance on landings. Dr. Ercoli stated that the turbines cannot be shut off immediately because the engines must be cooled or they would be damaged; that there is a 3. to 4 minute approach noise; then the patient is off-loaded and the helicopter is on the ground approximately. 3 minutes and there is probably a 10-12 minutes total ground operation time. There being no further appearances; Chairman declared the hearing closed. M/S/C (Olsen/Edgmon; Whitney/Hough absent; Mills abstained) continuing the application to August 23 for staff review of the revised traffic study. Commissioner Dotson requested that the Master Plan and helipad location be reassessed since the unfortunate incident of the destruction of the E1 Mirador Tower by fire. TTM 24677/CASE 6.368 VARIANCE. Application by KWL ASSOCIATES for John Wessman for a tentative tract map to subdivide land into 14 residential lots on Sonora Road, east of E1 Cielo Road and to consider a variance in lot width for lots on Sonora, R-1-C Zone, Section 19. (Commission response to written comments on draft Negative Declaration; no comments received; action.) Recommendation: That the Commission order the filing of a Negative Declaration and approve the map and variance subject to conditions. Chairman abstained; Vice-Chairman presided. Planner (Abbas) stated that the parcel is adjacent to an already developed property of single-family homes; that the map meets density requirements but does not meet the minimum lot widths; and that a variance is appro- priate because of the configuration of the parcel . She stated that all other aspects of the Zoning Ordinance have been met including minimum lot size . Chairman declared the hearing open. i �I July 26, 1989 PC MINUTES Page 12 i PUBLIC HEARINGS (Continued) j TTM 24677/CASE 6.368 VARIANCE. (Continued) John Wessman, 72200 Clancy Lane, Rancho Mirage, the applicant, stated that he could have built 19 or 20 homes but that the equestrian center is conti- gious to his property; that he bought the land for a sewer line location to service the tract on Escoba; that the current plan has large deep lots for larger backyards; and that the land is upwind from the equestrian center and odor should not be a problem. Commissioner Mills asked about the separation between the property and the RV Park on the east. Mr. Wessman stated that there is an oleander hedge on the RV Park and that his property will have a wall and an oleander hedge. Planner stated that the lots on the west and south are 100 by 100 and are raised approximately 18 to 20 inches above the other lots in the subdivi- sion. M/S/C (Edgmon/Dotson; Lapham abstained; Whitney/Hough absent) approving TTM 24674 and Case 6.368 Variance based on the following findings and subject to the following conditions . Findings: 1. That because of special circumstances , due to parcel size and the surrounding pre-existing tract density, the strict application of the Zoning Ordinance would deprive the subject property of privileges enjoyed by other properties in the vicinity under identical zone classification. 2. That the subject property is located in the Palm Valley Colony Lands Tract and the proposed lot configurati.on, including lot area, is con- sistent with surrounding properties . 3. That the tentative tract map and variance are appropriate applica- tions for the proposal . 4. That the granting of the variance is not a granting of special privi- lege inconsistent with the limitations upon other properties in the vicinity and zone in which the subject property is situated. Other properties in the vicinity are similar in subdivision pattern as the subject property. 5. That the granting of the variance and approval of the proposed tenta- tive tract map will not be detrimental to the public health, safety, and welfare or injurious to surrounding properties. 6. That The granting of the variance and adoption of the tract map will not adversely affect the General Plan. Conditions• July 26, 1989 PC MINUTES Page 13 PUBLIC HEARINGS (Continued) TTM 24677/CASE 6.368 VARIANCE. (Continued) 1. That all of the Development Committee conditions dated July 26, 1989, shall be met. 2. That all of the conditions of the environmental assessment for TTM 24677 be met. i I i PUBLIC COMMENTS - None. MISCELLANEOUS ITEMS TIME EXTENSION - TTM 20603. Y Request b BUELAH RAEHN for a 12-month time exten- sion for a tentative tract map for a subdivision of 56 lots on property north of Acanto Drive, east of E. Palm Canyon Drive, W-R-1-B Zone, Section 35. Planner (Abbas) stated that staff recommends approval subject to original conditions and that a map can be extended up to five years under the Sub- division Map Act. Commissioner Olsen stated that he wondered whether conditions should be discussed with applicants when time extensions are requested since condi- tions change as years go by. Chairman explained that subdivision are different from other applications and requirements do not change often unless zoning is changed. Commissioner Dotson stated that staff review time extensions and that per- haps additional conditions should be levied .if necessary. Chairman stated that the applicant in this application will have to accept TUMF fees. Commissioner Edgmon asked the proximity to the Morreale tract and Assistant Planning Director stated that it is across the street to the south. Assistant City Attorney stated that an extension to a tract map can be denied if conditions are significantly different at the time the decision is before the Commission than at the time of the original approval , but that a time extension cannot be conditioned. Chairman stated that conditions on the final map would be different. Assistant City Attorney stated that the new fees would not be added as a condition of the map and that the City has an obligation to record the final map if the map conforms with the tentative map conditions; and that fees would not be a condition but a statutory requirement. July 26, 1989 PC MINUTES Page 14 MISCELLANEOUS ITEMS (Continued) TIME EXTENSION - TTM 20603. (Continued) Commissioner Dotson stated that he thought that new conditions had been added in the past and wondered why since the Commission does not have that ability. Assistant City Attorney stated that conditions can change within five years and the original conditions no longer are appropriate; and that the map can be denied and then expires. He stated that the Commission would have the power to deny the time extension but that the Commission' s not extending the map without a valid reason is an abuse of the system. Assistant Planning Director stated that conditions have been placed on map extensions in the past but the applicant has always concurred with the additional conditions because the recourse is denial of the map and refiling. Assistant City Attorney stated that the courts do not support this approach. M/S/C (Olsen/Dotson; Whitney/Hough absent) approving a 12-month time exten- sion for TTM 20603 subject to all original conditions of approval . The new expiration date is September 2, 1990. CITY COUNCIL ACTIONS. Update of City Council actions. No report given. COMMISSION/STAFF REPORTS OR REQUESTS. Palm Springs Paint. Commissioner Edgmon stated that the landscaping at Palm Springs Paint is non-existent and that the Speak Easy awnings are dirty and two are torn. She suggested more rigorous enforcement of main- tenance. Chairman asked if the Marriott Courtyard had been sent a letter regarding awning cleaning and maintenance. Assistant Planning Director stated that Code Enforcement in the Building Division has been contacted and a list of properties needing maintenance given to them. He stated that the Radisson Hotel will clean its awnings . Off-Site Sign Enforcement. Commissioner Olsen stated that he had seen very few off-site real estate signs. Assistant Planning Director stated that the Code Enforcement Officer removed illegally placed signs and that the officer is very methodical in documenting locations of the sign, time and date. - Disposal of Toxic Fumes (Household Items). Commissioner Dotson stated that he took some household chemicals to the Fire Department for disposal but was told that they have no way to dispose of them; that the issue is a f July 26, 1989 PC MINUTES Page 15 MISCELLANEOUS ITEMS (Continued) Disposal of Toxic Fumes (Household Items). (Continued) County one but a plan should be developed by the City because toxic chemi- cals are going into the land fill which will eventually affect the environ- ment including water quality. i Assistant Planning Director stated that the issue is part of the County Waste Management Plan; that the staff could discuss the issue with the Fire Department liaison with the County; that some Counties have a traveling pick-up program, but for the city it would be a major expenditure to handle the materials; and that the issue has not been addressed locally. i Commissioner Dotson stated that an interim solution might be initiated and recommended that staff investigate the problem and make recommendations to the Council . Commissioner Edgmon asked about disposal of paint by painting contractors. Chairman stated that they take it to the County dump. ADDED STARTERS. (Determination of eligibility for consideration.) None. ADJOURNMENT There being no further business, Chairman adjourned the meeting at 3:50 p.m. P IN CT MDR/ml PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES Council Chamber, City Hall • August 9, 1989 1:30 p.m. ROLL CALL F-Y 1989 - 1990 Present Present Excused Absences Planning Commission This Meeting to Date to Date Larry Lapham, Chairman X 3 0 Gary Olsen X 3 0 Barbara Whitney X 3 0 Brent Hough 1 2 Martha Edgmon X 3 0 Chris Mills X 3 0 Michael Dotson X 3 0 Staff Present Marvin D . Roos , Planning Director Siegfried Siefkes, Assistant City Attorney Douglas Evans , Assistant Planning Director Debra Goodwin, Planner Sherri Abbas , Planner Dave Forcucci , Planner- Dean Lewis, Traffic Engineer Mary E. Lawler, Recording Secretary Architectural Advisory Committee - August 7, 1989 Larry Lapham , Acting Chairman Absent: Brent Hough, Chairman William Johnson Mike Buccino Tom Doczi Will Kleindienst Reuel Young Chairman called the meeting to order at 1 :30 p.m. M/S/C (Dotson/Mills; Hough absent) approving minutes of July 26, 1989 with the following corrections : Page 5, CASE 3.646, Paragraph 3. Delete "aluminium"; add "alkaline" . Page 4, CASE 3.0626, Final Paragraph . Delete " . . .that the AAC did not address the architecture of the building" . Page 6, CASE 3.0646, Last Paragraph . Delete "would"; add "wood" . Page 14, Last Paragraph. Delete "Fumes"; add "Substances" . ADMINISTRATIVE NOTE: There were no Tribal Council comments . • REPORT OF POSTING AGENDA: The August 9, 1989 agenda was available for public access at the City Hall exterior bulletin board and the Planning Division Counter by 5:00 p.m. , Friday, August 4, 1989.