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r ' PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES
Council Chamber, City Hall
November 9, 19$8
• 1:30 p.m.
ROLL CALL F-Y 1988 - 1989
Present Present Excused Absences
Planning Commission This Meeting to Date to Date
Larry Lapham, Chairman X 8 2
Gary Olsen - 8 2
Barbara Whitney X 8 2
Brent Hough X 8 2
Martha Edgmon X 9 1
Chris Mills - 7 1
Michael Dotson X 7 0
Staff Present
Marvin D. Roos , Planning Director
Siegfried Siefkes , Assistant City Attorney
Sherri Abbas , Planner
Margo Williams , Planner
Douglas Evans, Planner
John Terell , Redevelopment Planner
Dave Forcucci , Zoning Enforcement
Dean Lewis, Traffic Engineer
Mary E. Lawler, Recording Secretary
Architectural Advisory Committee - November 7, 1988
Brent Hough, Chairman Absent: Tom Doczi
;fill Kleindienst Mike Buccino
William Johnson
Reuel Young
Chairman called the meeting to order at 1:30 p.m.
M/S/C (Whitney/Hough; Mills/Olsen absent) approving minutes of October 19, 1988
with the following correcti on�,.,M.a1,os.a.t.i of meeting: Large Conference Room; and
approving the minutes October 26, 1988 ith the following corrections: See
Attachment A.
ADMINISTRATIVE NOTE:
There were no Tribal Council Comments .
�-' REPORT OF POSTING AGENDA:
The November 9, 1988 agenda was available for public access at the City Hall
exterior bulletin board and the Planning Division Counter by 1:30 p.m., Friday,
November 4, 1988.
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.4 October 26, 1988 PC MINUTES
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• PUBLIC HEARINGS (Continued) AMENDED
CASE 5.0487-CUP. (Continued) -
Ted McKinney, 755 E. Sunny Dunes
Tracy
fheresa Berglund , Rare? e-M4,eaje Palm Springs
John Berglund , Reme? e-M+rage Palm Springs "
Bill Dellars , Rancho Mirage
Reasons given for approval of the CUP are as follows :
- It is an adjunct of the Tribal Park.
- There is only one public stable left in Palm Springs .
- Palm Springs has a unique area in which to ride.
- Horseback riding is an important tourist industry.
- Stables are an integral part of the desert riders operation (to keep
riding trails open) .
- The spray system and manure removal eliminates development of fly
larvae . (Flies breed in the Canyon Country Club grass cuttings , not
in the stables .)
Murray Road extension should not be required; is improper and not
related to the application (Smo ketree is a lessor, not an owner, and
a legal challenge could result) .
- It is a scenic area and other areas in the Valley are not as scenic.
- Los Compadres Stables is far away from riding trails .
- A high percentage of people seeking recreation ride horses .
- Trails are of paramount importance to the area and a link through the
valley for hikers and museum groups , as well as horsemen .
- This location is improtant to facilitate horseback riding in the
Indian Canyons .
Desert Riders need a place to stable their horses and to rent horses .
- Removal of the stables will be removal of part of the history of Palm
Springs .
- Only 20 desert riders have their own horses , other riders use stable
horses for recreation and for maintenance of the trails .
- Equestrian Center location is too far away from the canyons .
- Persons bought homes in the stable area knowing the stable were
there .
ATTACHMENT A
October 26, 1988 PC MINUTES Page 9
PUBLIC HEARINGS (Continued) 14��t10E0
CASE 5.0487-CUP. (Continued) '
% - Palm Springs would be strengthened with another location of the
/ stables .
- Odors have increased through the years and east winds blow the odors
toward nearby residences .
- Homeowners were told stables were temporary and would be removed
since the area was growing.
- Key word is progress (development of the area) .
- Original permit was for 10 years to review the use as development
occurred .
- Progress eliminated the other stables in the area.
- Wild animals such as raccoons and coyotes are drawn to the stables .
- Horse activities such as hayrides cause droppings which are not
removed .
- Many residents in Palm Springs are in their 80 or 90's and they
prefer golf courses and tennis .
- Rats are beinc found in the area.
- Murray Canyon Drive is sometimes littered with manure.
- Petition has been signed by 100 homeowners in the area in opposition.
- 1-00 members of Canyon Country Club oppose the granting of the
extension of the Conditional Use Permit.
There being no further appearances ; Chairman declared the hearing closed.
In reply to Commission question, Planner stated that no homes were
immediately abutting the stables in 1965 and building was begun in the 60' s
and continued into the 70's and 80's .
(He showed the development of the property on the display board.)
/Commissioner Whitney stated
Commissioner Hough stated that trke rats are a common vall'ey .nuisance and
not a result of the stables ./that the stable.'s current location is
important because of its closeness to the canyons; that most of the people
purchasedtheir homes after the stables were located; thatshe lives on Ar-abyHaric
and has wild animals in the area; and that she is opposed to the extension
of Murray Canyon as a condition of the Conditional Use Permit.
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October 26, 1988 PC MIYUTES �O Page 10
PUBLIC HEARINGS (Continued)
` CASE 5.0487-CUP. (Continued)
In reply to Commission question , Planner stated that the most recent method
of control of flies and insects is biological control and was not used in
the equestrian center; and that consultants in 1981 found that the odor and
fly control and removal of manure at Smoketree were adequate; and that to
their knowledge staff feels that the stables have the best controls
possible.
Commissioner Edgmon requested that staff investigate the hayrides to see if
droppings are being left. She stated also that the Murray Canyon extension
is inappropriate , and that living with pre-existing uses is sometimes
difficult.
In reply to Commission question , Traffic Engineer stated that the original
JHK study showed an increase of traffic on Toledo of 112% and 1830 on
Barona; and that the leg would be needed by 1995 and would involve 6300
cars a day based on development in the South Palm Canyon Area.
In reply to Chairman' s question , Planning Director stated that there has
not been any discussion on relocation of the stables on the Smoketree
stables pro r;v.
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I1VA five years additional for implementation;
Chairman sated that he was in favor of extending the CUP, but a study
should be7done on relocation within a specific time period. He suggested
that at the end of five years a relocation plan be ready for Commission
review /stated that another 10 year extension is not viable; and that the*
Commission should at the end of five years determine whether or not the use
should stay or the stable relocated. He noted that the stable owners have
an obligation to find a more compatible l ocati on; and that something should
be done or a permanent permit granted .
Commissioner Hough stated that he did not want the use to be eliminated in
ten years .
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Commissioner Whitney noted that she felt that the stables Mould move, but
there has to be access to the canyons .
Chairman stated that the access to the canyons would be part of the
feasibility study and perhaps the stables could be relocated along the
trail line and if relocation can be accomplished , it should be.
Commissioner Dotson stated that the permit should be limited to a five year
extension and as a condition of approval a relocation--study and analysis
should be made and the total number of horses limited to 150.
Commissioner Mills stated that there should not a dedication made for an
extension of Murray Canyon as a condition of approval ; and that as long as
the stable is operative, there should not be a road across the property.
Commissioner Hough stated that he felt that a dedication requirement is
improper; that the extension should be for 10 years with a relocation study
since 5 years is not long enough .
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October 26, 1988 PC MINUTES Page 11
PUBLIC HEARINGS (Continued) �►Ej
CASE 5.0487-CUP. (Continued) '
Commissioner Mills asked if a consultant or expert had ever been consulted
on whether of not the stables are in a state-of-the-art program regarding
fly control and odor.
Planner stated that the requirement is part. of the mitigation measures of
the projects He stated that the stables' program 4ould be reviewed by an
independent party such as an equestrian consultant.
Commissioner Dotson noted that he had visited the site and was impressed by
its cleanliness although he realized it was not the height of the season;
that a five year extension should be adequate because of the future Tribal
Eaarrel; Park and also because there are viable alternative sites on the
property for relocation .
Commissioner Edgmon agreed, stating that the suggestion is a good
compromise .
Commissioner Dotson commented that the dedication should be explored
along with the relocation but may not be needed witttu the 5-year time frame.
Motion was made by Dotson to order "the filing of a negative declaration and
approve CUP 5.0487 for five years subject to all conditions of
staff; that the number of horses be limited to 150; and that the applicant
be required to submit a feasibility study to move the stable location in 5
years .
Motion died for lack of a second. Ordering the filing of a Negative
/Olsen abstained; Declarati and
M/S/C (Whitney/Edgmon; Hough dissented approving iP 5.0487 based on the
following findings and subject to the foilowing conditions:
Findings :
1. That the equestrian facility proposed and the location set forth is
property one for which a conditional use permit is authorized by the
Zoning Ordinance Section 9402.00 A.2.d.
2. That the public stable use is necessary and desirable for the
community and has been existing at this location for the past ten
years . This use is in harmony with the General Plan which indicates
convenient access to the established trail system throughout the City
and is not considered detrimental to adjacent residential uses which
were developed subsequent to and with full knowledge of the existence
of the equestrian facility.
3. That the four acre site is more than adequate in size to accommodate
the continued operation of this stable facility including all walls ,
fences , setbacks , landscaping, greenbelts , and fly and odor control
systems necessary to adjust this continuing use to the neighborhood.
4. That the site is located at the intersection of two secondary
thoroughfares which are adequate in size to accommodate the amount
and type of traffic known to be generated by the stables.
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