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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1987/05/27 - MINUTES W PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES Council Chamber, City Hall May 27, 1987 1:30 p.m. ROLL CALL F-Y 1986 - 1987 Present Present Excused Absences Planning Commission This Meeting to Date to date Larry Lapham, Chairman X 20 0 Hugh Curtis X 18 2 Martha Edgmon X 9 1 Brent Hough X 14 0 Earl Neel X 17 3 Gary Olsen X 16 4 Barbara Whitney X 15 3 Staff Present Marvin D. Toos, Planning Director Siegfried Siefkes, Assistant City Attorney Robert Green, Planner Margo Williams, Planner Carol Vankeeken, Planner Mary E. Lawler, Recording Secretary Architectural Advisory Committee - TUESDAY, May 26, 1987 Chris Mills, Chairman Absent: Tom Doczi William Johnson Martha Edgmon Will Kleindienst Mike Buccino Barbara Whitney Chairman called the meeting to order at 1:30 p.m. M/S/C (Neel/Curtis) approving minutes of May 13 as submitted. There were no Tribal Council comments. May 27, 1987 PC MINUTES Page 2 CONSENT ACTION AGENDA Approval of architectural cases is valid for two years. The approval granted ..� must be exercised within that time period unless extended. M/S/C (Curtis/Edgmon) taking the following actions: CASE 3.0116 (Continued) . Application by CHRISTIAN ASSOCIATES for Robert Poon or architectural approval of final landscape, revised exterior lighting plans and door colors for a two-story, 95-unit hotel on North Palm Canyon Drive between Via Escuela/Vista Chino, C-1./R-3 Zones, Section 3. 1. Restudied light fixtures (should be more compatible with the architecture). 2. Approved landscape subject to the following: That the palms on both sides of the Palm Canyon wall shall be more free form. 3. That there shall be a trap entrance on the trash enclosure. 4. That revised plans are to be staff approved. 5. That revised door colors are approved. CASE 3.976. Application by T. DOCZI for architectural approval of landscape p fans for surgical center on N. Palm Canyon Drive between Tachevah Drive/Vereda Sur, C-1 Zone, Section 10. Approved as submitted. CASE 3.0191. Application by GREAT AMERICAN MINI STORAGE for architectural approval of revised plans for office/warehouse buildings on Farrell Drive/Research Drive, M-1-P Zone, Section 12. Restudy noting the following: A. Landscape. Acceptable subject to: 1. That shade trees be added to parking lots throughout. Triangular planters shall be used to protrude into parking lot. /That 2. tree species be used which complement the mass of the building. Crepe Myrtle should be used as an accent species only. Ash and Bottletree should be used. 3. That details of the grades of berms surrounding the building be submitted. Berms should roll into recesses in building. B. Architecture. Restudy noting: 1. That significant overhangs 2-3 ft. shall be added to exposed glass. 2. That the reveal pattern on the building should be simplified. May 27, 1987 PC MINUTES Page 3 CONSENT ACTION AGENDA (Continued) CASE 3.0191. (Continued) 3. That landscaping should be added adjacent to sidewalks adjoining buildings "A" and "B". Compact spaces should be located between buildings "A" and "B". 4. That an accurate color and material board shall be sub- mitted. 5. That an exterior parapet shall be added to the exterior mini-storage buildings. 6. That an accurate roof-plan shall be submitted. 7. That exterior materials and colors should have a common theme. 8. That the trash enclosure shall be moved north to the property line. A pedestrian "trap" access shall be pro- vided. CASE 3.0228-MINOR. Application by RONALD LYONS for architectural approval of e ai a andscape plans for single family residence at 2245 Rim Road, R-1-B Zone, Section 25. Approved as submitted. CASE 3.0214-MINOR. Application by LEURIE SHEKELOW for architectural approval of revised, detailed landscape plans for a paint store at 410 South Indian Avenue, C-2 Zone, Section 14. Approved subject to the following conditions: 1. That Vinca Minor be used at 8" on center. 2. That Palm Springs Gold pea gravel (3/8") be used. 3. That only one pampas grass plant be used in the corner. 4. That one multi-trunked Brazilian Pepper be used. 5. That the header board be 2 X 4 redwood. ITEMS REMOVED FORM THE CONSENT AGENDA CASE 3.0205-MINOR. Application by ORCHID TREE HOTEL for architectural approval of wall and gates to enclose the Baristo Road entrance of the patios and revise exterior color for walls at 261 S. Belardo Road, R-3 Zone, Section 15. M/S/C (Edgmon/Curtis) tabling the item. May 27, 1987 PC MINUTES Page 4 ITEMS REMOVED FROM CONSENT ACTION AGENDA (Continued) CASE 3.0080. Application by CARMICHAEL DESIGNS for architectural approval of fin�a landscape and exterior lighting plans for industrial building on Tachevah Drive/Montalvo Way, M-1-P Zone, Section 7. Planner (Williams) described the project and AAC recommendations and stated that the applicants disagree with the conditions and in response to Commission question stated that the AAC recommended additional potted plants in the walkway between the buildings. Mike Carpenter, the applicant, explained that his plans include a patterned sidewalk; that the other businesses in the complex do not have trees of 24" box size in the rear; that the project is over budget; that other buildings in the complex have smaller trees in the front than he is required to have in the back; that potted plants in the walkway will be a maintenance problem; that a sculpture would be a better choice for the walkway area; and that the building is in a manufacturing area. Commissioner Olsen agreed that the landscaping amount and size seemed excessive compared to the other businesses in the industrial park. Planning Director explained that the complex is an industrial park (not a manufacturing area) , and that this type of use sets higher standards in the front where the most emphasis is; that there is no rear for the project (sides only) which is the reason the AAC reviewed the project differently because of greater side exposure; that the 24 inch box size recommendation could be reviewed since the size is larger than the norm, which is 15" box size in the rear; that groups of trees could be used with one at 24 inch and the others at 15 inch; that twelve trees are recommended across the north property in groups of three, which includes Eucalyptus and Oleanders with Bougainvillea espaliered on the wall ; and that the standard is 80q of exterior (street) and 50% of interior trees be 24" box or larger. Commissioner Neel stated that the 15 gallon size should be adequate since the trees are fast-growing. Commissioner Curtis commented that the potted plants would not visually relieve the architecture, and that there are maintenance problems with potted materials. He stated that the potted material should be eliminated and some other proposal made. M/S/C (Curtis/Neel ; Hough abstained) taking the following actions: 1. Approving the landscape subject to trees of 15 inch box size or the sizes necessary to give relief to the north side of the building (subject to staff review) . 2. Approving decorative paving at entry of the building on the south side. 3. Approving elimination of the potted plants (no planting is an acceptable alternative). 4. Restudying the colors. May 27, 1987 PC MINUTES Page 5 ITEMS REMOVED FROM CONSENT ACTION AGENDA (Continued) CASE 3.0080. (Continued) 5. Details of all conditions to be reviewed by staff. CASE 3.0204-MINOR (Continued) . Application by JOHN WALLING for architectural approval of revised ex erior colors for a single family residence at 575 N. Patencio Road, R-1-A Zone, Section 10. Planner (Green) stated that a paint sample could not be painted on the building in time for the meeting; that the paint sample will be applied for review for the June 10 meeting; that the color that is closest to the rock color has been selected; and that the applicant requested a two week continuance. M/S/C (Hough/Whitney) continuing the application to June 10. CASE 3.0229-MINOR. Application by ROBERT COWAN for architectural approval of a split rail fence for residence at 144 Tamarisk Road, R-3 Zone, Section 10. Planner (Vankeeken) stated that the applicant is proposing a split rail fence with Pyracantha growing on it. Robert Cowan, 252 Camino Sur, stated that the idea for the fence came from the attractively landscaped Texaco Station on Palm Canyon; and that the Pyracantha will be more mature in two months and will be very attractive. Commissioner Hough commented that the fence will not be visible since it will be covered by the Pyracantha. Planning Director stated that fences require architectural approval and very few wood fences have received approval on major properties; and that an old wall had been removed; and the applicant did not realize that architectural approval was required. M/S/C (Neel/Olsen; Hough dissented) denying the application. SIGN APPLICATION. Application by BEST SIGNS for DeBartolo Corporation for architectural approval of revised parking lot signs for Desert Fashion Plaza, N. Palm Canyon Drive, C-B-D Zone, Section 15. (Ref. Case 5.0275-PD-147. ) Planner (Green) stated that the applicants want the metal framework of the height restricter barriers signed for subterranean parking; that the AAC recommended approval of the additional parking sign with a redesigned arrow matching the consultant painted arrow; that three AAC members dissented noting that the proposal violated that existing sign program, is visible from the street, and that a lower level sign would be more acceptable. Jim Cross, Best Signs, 2600 S. Cherokee stated that he brought in a color sample and a scale sample of the approved signing; that the original proposal was for hanging directional signing, which was abandoned because of the unaesthetic appearance; that the headache bars May 27, 1987 PC MINUTES Page 6 ITEMS REMOVED FROM CONSENT ACTION AGENDA (Continued) SIGN APPLICATION (Continued) will be retained and directional signing placed on the metal framework of thebars. Fred Randolph, General Manager of the Desert Fashion Plaza, 2601 Broadmoor, stated that the directional signs are inside the lots; that the proposal will direct people to the south plaza lot; that a post mounted sign is too low to be seen; that signing on the steel structure would be more easily seen; and that the square painted on the sign with an arrow is a good idea. He stated that the straight up angle of the arrow will be seen by people who are already in the lot. Commissioner Whitney commented that traffic signing is separate from a sign program and should be seen from the street. Discussion continued on the 8 inch high letters on the headache bars. Chairman commented that there is an unusual circulation problem at the Fashion Plaza; that directional signing does not violate the intent of the ordinance; and that the Fashion Plaza needs traffic direction. M/S/C (Neel/Edgmon) approving the sign application subject to the following conditions: 1. That the words "Additional Parking" be approved. 2. That a redesigned arrow matching the freestanding sign be used. PUBLIC HEARINGS CASE 5.0440-CUP. Application by WILLIAM KLEINDIENST for Robert Allen for a conditional use permit to allow a change in use from retail to nightclub in an existing building adjacent to an existing nightclub (Gatsby's) on N. Palm Canyon Drive, between Amado Road/Andreas Road, CBD Zone, Section 1.5. (This action is categorically exempt from Environmental Assessment per CEQA guidelines. ) Recommendation: That the Commission give final approval to Case 5.0440- CUP. Planner (Williams) explained the project and stated that staff recom- mends approval based on the existing lease arrangement with the City which provides for valet service in addition to the lease of public spaces and that the valet arrangement adds twenty parking spaces. Chairman declared the hearing open. William Kleindienst, 121 S. Palm Canyon, (the applicant) asked whether or not the six parking spaces allowed by square footage of the building can be applied to the parking space count. May 27, 1987 PC MINUTES Page 7 PUBLIC HEARINGS (Continued) CASE 5.0440-CUP. (Continued) Planning Director replied it could be considered. Mr. Kleindienst noted that the Fire Department has allowed a thirteen foot (requirement is 14 foot) wide turnaround as long as access for fire vehicles is 150 ft. from the street (access would be from the valet parking lot on Indian) ; and that the applicant was not opposed to a lease arrangement with the City, but would like to avoid the cost if possible. Commissioner Olsen requested information on solving the car stacking problem at the driveway for traffic traveling from the south on Indian stated that he felt there would be a stacking problem. Mr. Kleindienst stated that the valet parking station will be east of the entry and approximately three car lengths from the street (approxi- mately 60 ft. ) . Commissioners Whitney and Hough commented that there is a busy restaurant on Palm Canyon at the location of the valet parking station, and that pedestrian foot traffic will cause as many problems regarding stacking as vehicle traffic. Chairman stated that the applicants have been made aware of the problem and will resolve it since the alternative is not to allow the CUP and that the City is saddled with the stacking problem. Commissioner Hough stated that some stacking could be eliminated with self parking. Commissioner Neel commented that some people would park their own vehicles. Planner stated that self-parking would only be allowed from Indian Avenue per the lease agreement, and that there is a loading zone of two car lengths in front of the restaurant with the exit from Indian. Commissioner Edgmon suggested that the proposed additional spaces be leased. Planning Director stated that staff would review the six space allotment in reference to the original approval ; that he thought the applicants received the six space allotment on buildings which were razed; and that if allowed, this would reduce the parking requirement from 48 to 42 spaces. M/S/C (Whitney/Olsen; Curtis abstained) approving CUP 50440 based on the following findings and subject to the following conditions: Findings 1. That the use applied for is one of which a Conditional Use Permit is authorized by this ordinance. 2. That the proposed expansion of the nightclub is desirable and is in harmony with the various elements of the General Plan. May 27, 1987 PC MINUTES Page 8 PUBLIC HEARINGS (Continued) CASE 5.0440-CUP. (Continued) 3. That the site is adequate in size and shape to accommodate the proposed use provided that the valet parking agreement is active. 4. That the conditions imposed are necessary to protect the public health, safety and welfare. Conditions 1. That the conditions of the Development Committee dated April 27, 1987 shall apply. 2. That the valet parking is subject to the following conditions as set forth in the lease agreement (approved in Resolution 16139) . a. Valet service is operable between 9 p.m. and 2 a.m. only. b. Vehicles shall not be backed up on Palm Canyon Drive from the entrance to make entry into the parking lot. C. The south entrance on Indian Avenue and the driveway between spaces 1-36 and 37-63 may be barricaded between 9 p.m. and 2 a.m. d. The north entrance on Indian Avenue and spaces 37-63 shall remain open and unrestricted for non-valet parking. e. All vehicles shall be parked within designated parking spaces. f. All employees who park vehicles shall first be fingerprinted by the Police Department. g. The valet stand may be placed on leased area and to the extent possible, the valet operation should take place in the spaces 1-3. Signing approved by the Planning Department should indicate the valet service during its hours of opera- tion. 2. That the barricade across the access to spaces 37-63 be flexible in nature to allow movement of emergency vehicles. 3. That all permanent signs shall require separate review, approval and permit. 4. That all roof mounted mechanical equipment (including the existing facility) shall be screened from view from adjacent high rise. 5. A valet permit shall be obtained from City Manager's officer per Section 5.38 of the Municipal Code. `... 6. A minimum of fifty-six (56) parking spaces shall be provided or floor area shall be reduced accordingly. May 27, 1987 PC MINUTES Page 9 PUBLIC HEARINGS (Continued) CASE 5.0440-CUP. (Continued) 7. That the nightclub use shall be terminated when the lease expires unless other parking is provided. 8. That parking and emergency vehicle access be resolved to the satisfaction the Traffic Engineer and Fire Department. PUBLIC COMMENTS. None. ARCHITECTURAL APPROVAL ITEMS Approval of architectural cases is valid for two years. The approval granted must be exercised within that time period unless extended. CASE 3.0222-MINOR (Continued) . Application by VISTA COMMUNICATIONS for architectural approval of dish antenna on the Palm Springs Life Building, 303 N. Indian Avenue, CBD Zone, Section 15. Planning Director explained that the dish antenna was erected without permit; that two notices of code violation have been sent to the appli- cant; that alternatives have been discussed on the site with the City Attorney and the applicant, such as off-site location, location on the roof, and location in one space of the parking lot, which the appli- cant's do not want because the parking is insufficient currently. He stated that lowering the antenna in its present location and painting it the color of the building is a possibility, although the antenna can still be seen from the Spa Hotel . He stated that the engineering firm installing the antenna has been contacted, but has not resolved the problem; that the design aspects have been brought to the Commission; and that nothing has been received from the engineering firm whose offices are in Oregon. He stated that the AAC recommended relocating the dish antenna to the roof which makes it visible from the Spa & Maxims Hotel upper floors and at a distance, and that the roof is littered with mechanical equipment although the building is not old. He stated that roof mechanical equipment will be required to be screened within five years per the revised zoning ordinance. Doc Dochtermann, 303 N. Indian, the applicant, explained that the dish antenna is owned by the Metropolitan Opera Association of New York and installed by a firm from Washington, D.C. ; that the dishes are very sophisticated; that the KPSL Company on any expansion would move the autenna to the roof on a motorized platform for satellite transmissions, that the installer bolted the dish down; that installation on the roof would have to be reported to the Metropolitan Opera Association and that he did not know the action they would take. He stated that Palm Springs is one of thirty cities receiving the Metropolitan Opera broadcast. Chairman stated that the problem would be solved if the dish antenna were half the size. May 27, 1987 PC MINUTES Page 10 ARCHITECTURAL APPROVAL ITEMS (Continued) CASE 3.0222-MINOR. (Continued) Mr. Dochtermann stated that the location of the satellite is important since the satellite is on the east coast resulting in a weaker signal in the west and cannot be smaller, and that the satellite is over southeast Boston. He stated that a location for the dish in the parking lot is difficult because of power lines. Chairman explained that the dish antenna violates the Zoning Ordinance and the only location that seems possible is the roof. Planning Director stated that staff was waiting for a letter from the engineer on whether or not the antenna could be pulled back from the roof and lowered, and the roof location would be the next best solution. Mr. Dochtermann stated that the satellite might be made lower by cutting down the main post, and pulling it back might be a problem, but that he was willing to try to resolve the problems because he wanted to keep the Metropolitan Opera in Palm Springs if possible. He stated that the Opera Association would not approve a remote location because of loss of clarity in the reception, and that in dialogue with the Metropolitan Opera Association he was referred to their engineer. Commissioner Olsen stated that if procedures had been followed properly, the present location would never have been considered for the large size dish; and that after illegal installation, no compromises should be made by the Commission. Mr. Dochtermann stated that a state of the art rooftop installation was discussed with city officials but was found to be too heavy for the building and that pictures of a similar installation appeared to be unattractive and that a screen method of two trees and painting out the dish in its present location were also discussed with City officials. Discussion continued on relocation possibilities. Commissioner Curtis suggested a roof location. Chairman stated that an abatement of the dish is being held in abeyance until the Commission determines what is aesthetically acceptable. Planning Director stated that the dish is currently operable although the Metropolitan Opera season may be over. Discussion continued on a time limit for removal of the antenna from its present location. Chairman stated that the time could be 90 days and a resubmittal of the application. Planning Director stated that a permit could be obtained by the appli- cant if the dish were moved to the roof. M/S/C (Curtis/Olsen) denying the application for the dish antenna in its present location and granting 90 days to move the antenna to the roof of the building or another appropriate location subject to Commission ✓ approval . May 27, 1987 PC MINUTES Page 11 ARCHITECTURAL APPROVAL ITEMS (Continued) CASE 3.720. Application by ROBERT RICCIARDI for Harvey Izen for architectural approval of a single family residence on Camino del Monte between Camino Carmelita/mountains, R-1-C Zone, Section 27. Planner (Green) explained that the project has environmental concerns, that the mountain behind the house is very steep; that State law requires that the Commission evaluate the environmental problems before approving the project, which has resulted in a long delay for the case to be heard by the Commission. He stated that the applicants also requested architectural concept approval before going further with the necessary environmental studies and that the AAC recommended approval subject to conditions. Wendell Veith, 45275 Prickly Pear Lane, Palm Desert, the architect, stated that the applicant did not want the expense of flood control and geotechnical studies if the concept were not approved; that the studies could be a condition of approval ; that the building sits against the mountains and is shielded in the back; that if the height limit were stepped up it would eliminate part of the house; that the undulation of the building is not shown on the renderings; that the pad is probably 25 years old; that the substantial fill is below the house in the swimming pool area; that the berming would allow only a six foot high (native rock) wall ; that native vegetation would be planted; that AAC conditions are acceptable. He requested approval , and stated that there are no windows on the west and south elevation because they abut the mountains; that the house is oriented to the view; that there is a circular stair- way of mountain rock from the master bedroom to the pool and spa. Commissioner Hough commented that forcing a one level home on the hill- side and extending the pad into the mountain is unacceptable. Mr. Veith stated that the lot size is 195 x 145 and that only the lower portion (20%) is available for construction. M/S/C (Curtis/Olsen) for approval subject to conditions. The vote was as follows: Ayes: Curtis, Olsen, Lapham Noes: Edgmon, Hough, Whitney Abstention: Neel The vote for approval failed. Commissioner Whitney stated that after thinking about it, she felt that cutting into the mountain was unacceptable. M/S/C (Whitney/Edgmon; Neel abstained; Curtis/Olsen/Lapham dissented) for a restudy of the design to fit the building into the contour of the lot. `�-� Commissioner Olsen left. May 27, 1987 PC MINUTES Page 12 ITEMS REMOVED FROM CONSENT ACTION AGENDA (Continued) CASE 3.0205-MINOR (Continued) . Application by ORCHID TREE HOTEL for archi- tectural approval of wall and gates to enclose the Baristo Road entrance of the patios and revise exterior color for walls at 261 S. Belardo Road, R-3 Zone, Section 15. M/S/C (Whitney/Neel ; Olsen absent) untabling the application. Planner (Vankeeken) described colors of the various walls and stated that the AAC approved the existing gray color only with the slump stone wall color to be reviewed by the AAC in the future. Commissioner Hough noted that he was not comfortable with the approved gray color because of the different shades caused by the different types of materials. Chairman stated that the gray color is acceptable, but there is a problem with dressing up the walls, and if the applicants painted the whole wall gray, it would look no worse than it does now. Robert Weithorn, 261. S. Belardo, the applicant, stated that the problem is that the different wall colors do not match, that a wash applied to the wall did not adhere; that there has been difficulty in finding a color and material that would penetrate and stain well and that the original stone material is no longer manufactured. Commissioner Edgmon stated that she did not like the gray with the gray church behind it. Discussion continued. Chairman stated that the solution would be for the perimeter wall color to be resolved and then the rest of the building painted gray. Motion was made by Whitney, seconded by Neel , for approval subject to conditions. The vote was as follows: Ayes: Whitney, Neel , Lapham Noes: Curtis, Edgmon, Hough Absent: Olsen The motion failed. M/S/C (Whitney/Edgmon; Olsen absent) for a continuance to June 10. May 27, 1987 PC MINUTES Page 13 ARCHITECTURAL APPROVAL ITEMS (Continued) Approval of architectural cases is valid for two years. The approval granted must be exercised within that time period unless extended. SIGN APPLICATION. Application by WILLIAM HOWLETT for EXXON for architectural approval of main identification/rate sign for service station at 633 S. Palm Canyon Drive, C-2, Section 23. Planner (Williams) stated that the applicant is removing the pole on the north corner and erecting a monument sign within the height limitations of the ordinance and that the AAC recommends approval subject to condi- tions. W. Howlett, sign designer, stated that the AAC conditions are accept- able. M/S/C (Curtis/Edgmon; Olsen absent) approving the sign application subject to the following conditions: 1. That the low curb wall on the south side be moved toward the station approximately 2 feet to include the existing palm. 2. That the landscape plan be reviewed by the AAC. 3. That the existing sign be removed. 4. That the existing light pole and light fixture be removed or details of new fixtures submitted. 5. That the sign be centered on the base of the monument. Commissioner Whitney left the meeting. CASE 3.0059. Application by MARK TEMPLE for Mike Arcaro for architectural approval of revised exterior colors for auto body shop on Del Sol Road, M-1 Zone, Section 34. M/S/C (Edgmon/Curtis; Whitney/Olsen absent) approving the application subject to the following condition: That the landscape plan be restudied. CASE 3.0197-MINOR. Application by DESERT HOSPITAL for architectural approval of waiting area for intensive care and surgical units at 1150 N. Indian Avenue, R-4 Zone, Section 11. M/S/C (Curtis/Neel ; Whitney/Olsen absent) for restudy noting that the enclosure for the mechanical equipment is to be resubmitted with the elevations prior to approval of any elevations. Commissioner Whitney returned. May 27, 1987 PC MINUTES Page 14 ARCHITECTURAL APPROVAL ITEMS (Continued) CASE 5.0402-PD-181. Application by CATHOLIC CHARITIES for architectural approval of a revised site plan for an emergency housing/shelter facility on DeAnza Road between Pico Road/Sepulveda Road, R-G-A(6) Zone, Section 3. M/S/C (Neel/Whitney; Olsen absent) approving the application as sub- mitted. MISCELLANEOUS ITEMS CITY COUNCIL ACTIONS. Update of City Council actions. CASE 3.960 - PALM SPRINGS MALL (COLORS) . Mayor appointed a subcommittee of Councilmember Apfelbaum, Planning Commission Chairman Lapham, AAC member Mills, and resource member Roos, which has the authority to negotiate and make whatever alterations to the colors is appropriate if agreement can be reached with the owner. No meeting has been scheduled. CASE 5.0400-ZTA - ZONING ORDINANCE REVISIONS. Council has requested a special study session and a joint meeting with the Commission. Council wants an ordinance to allow some parts of the revised Ordinance to be put into effect on an interim basis. The ordinance perhaps could be adopted as an interim ordinance. One Councilman is not in agreement with some provisions of the ordinance and feels that some revisions should be discussed further. JOINT STUDY SESSION WITH COUNCIL ON MAY 19. Planning Director needs feedback on the study session. The format seems to unproductive because of dry topics and/or time limitations. Commissioner Curtis suggested that a retreat be scheduled instead of a study session, which does not accomplish anything, because the problem- solving aspect is missing. Commissioner Whitney commented that there is an agenda, but no goal . Planning Director stated that a retreat could be interesting, exciting, and dynamic; and the Commission needs to ascertain what type of subjects would generate this type of interaction, and that perhaps a member of the Commission could help staff design the agenda. He stated that the Council is busy and finds it difficult to schedule lengthy study sessions and that other commissions such as Economic Development Commission and CVB could be included to address mutual concerns. COMMISSION/STAFF REPORTS OR REQUESTS. DAMAGE TO SHOE SHINE PARLOR IN THE OLD SPANISH PLAZA. Commissioner Curtis asked if the City could help resolve the problem of a shoe shine shop businessman whose building in the Plaza was damaged by a vehicle and who cannot operate until the building is repaired. May 27, 1987 PC MINUTES Page 15 MISCELLANEOUS ITEMS (Continued) COMMISSION/STAFF REPORTS OR REQUESTS. (Continued) Planning Director stated that the man could repair the building and that he had discussed the situation with AAC member Kleindienst and had told Mr. Kleindienst that a repair with masonry could be approved at staff level , but that a stucco and frame repair would require Planning Commission approval . Commissioner Whitney urged that the businessman be helped because the shoeshine parlor adds charm to the downtown. PLANNING COMMISSION / AAC BUS TOUR. To be held on June 12, no agenda or arrangements have been finalized. AAC and Planning Commission will be notified. PROBLEMS OF COLOR. Commissioner Neel stated that color causes many problems for the Commission and suggested that a color consultant be hired by the City. Planning Director stated that the AAC would probably object to one person making a decision on colors and suggested that problem colors be remanded to staff for resolution, although color is subjective and in come instances people will not approve of some color choices. He stated that pink is the faddish color at the present time and that the Wyndham Hotel color which is an integral part of the coating has received no complaints. Chairman stated that there was a full scale mock up of the Wyndham colors which made it easier for the Commission to review them. Commission Whitney stated that color boards should be larger. Commissioner Curtis noted that there is an active, bold Architectural Committee who reviews colors and often approves a passing color fad; and that the committee should have more concern for the City and not com- promise the Commission position for their own color tastes. Planning Director stated that color is a personal issue, and that the results are sometimes shocking. Chairman recommended that full size swatches be painted on buildings, and if the Commission does not like the colors, that the applicants change them. Planning Director stated that orientation, sunlight, and shadow play a part in determining shades of colors. ADDED STARTERS. (Determination of eligibility for consideration. ) None. ADJOURNMENT There being no further business to discuss, Chairman adjourned the meeting at 3:55 p.m. LANNI G t I RECTOR MDR/ml