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Council Chamber, City Hall
August 27, 1986
1:30 p.m.
ROLL CALL F-Y 1986 - 1987
Present Present Excused Absences
Planning Commission This Meeting to Date to date
Larry Lapham, Chairman X 4 0
Hugh Curtis X 4 0
Hugh Kaptur - 3 1
Curt Ealy X 3 1
Earl Neel X 2 2
Gary Olsen X 3 0
Barbara Whitney X 1 1.
Staff Present
Siegfried Siefkes , Assistant City Attorney
Douglas Evans, Planner
Robert Green, Planner
Margo Williams, Planner
Dave Forcucci , Zoning Enforcement
Mary E. Lawler, Recording Secretary
Architectural Advisory Committee - August 25, 1986
J. Cioffi , Chairman Absent: William Johnson
William Johnson
Chris Mills
Earl Neel
Tom Doczi
Curt Ealy
Chairman called the meeting to order at 1:30 p.m.
M/S/C (Curtis/Neel ; Kaptur absent)) approving minutes of August 13, 1986 as
submitted.
ADMINISTRATIVE NOTES:
There were no Tribal Council comments .
Chairman welcomed new commissioner Barbara Whitney, local realtor and long
time resident, stating that she will contribute a great deal to Commission
deliberations.
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CONSENT ACTION AGENDA
Approval of architectural cases is valid for two years. The approval granted
must be exercised within that time period unless extended.
M/S/C (Curtis/Neel ; Kaptur absent) taking the following actions :
CASE 3.702 (MINOR) . Application by KAPTUR & CIOFFI for Peri-Mel 1 (Freeman
Development Company) for architectural approval of project identifica-
tion sign and revised landscaping for 118 unit condominium project on
Avenida Caballeros between Arenas Road/Saturmino Road, R-4 (I .L.) Zone,
Section 14.
Approved subject to the following conditions: That the second fountain
be deleted.
Abstention: Ealy
CASE 3.0098 (MINOR) . Application by W. L. STEVENS (COMMERCIAL LIGHTING
SERVICE) for Chevron for architectural approval of identification sign
for station at 490 S. Indian Avenue at Ramon, C-2 Zone (I .L.) , Section
14.
Restudy noting that the existing sign is one of quality design and that
the sign replacement should be at least of equal quality. (Also land-
scape plans must be submitted for staff approval . )
CASE 3.0099 (MINOR) . Application by W. L. STEVENS (COMMERCIAL LIGHTING
SERVICE) for Chevron for architectural approval of identification sign
v for gasoline station at 100 S. El Cielo Road/Tahquitz-McCallum Way, A
Zone, Section 18.
Restudy noting that the existing sign is one of quality design and that
the sign replacement should be at least of equal quality. (Also land-
scape plans must be submitted for staff approval .)
CASE 3.0100 (MINOR) . Application by W. L. STEVENS (COMMERCIAL LIGHTING
SERVICE) for Chevron for architecture approval of identification sign
for gasoline station at 300 N. Indian Avenue at Amado Road, C-2 Zone
(I .L. ) , Section 14.
Approved subject to the following conditions:
1. That the sign be centered on the monument.
2. That the Juniper and Agapanthus be deleted and "Boxwood Beauty"
natal plum and annual color be substituted.
CASE 3.0088 (MINOR) . Application by NOGLE, HAWKINS, ONUFER, ARCHITECTS for
architectural approval of minor revisions to exterior of Sundown Apart-
ments , 400 S. Hermosa, R-2 Zone (IL) , Section 14.
Approved subject to the following conditions :
1.. That the stairwell and balconies be restudied and that a section
be provided (eliminate wood cap) .
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CONSENT ACTION AGENDA
CASE 3.0088 (MINOR) . (Continued)
2. That the window in the recreation building be recessed a minimum
of 6" .
3. That the half circle infill panels be retained, restained, and the
stucco repainted.
4. That the sheet metal caps be painted out to match.
5. That the main entry revisions are approved.
6. That the sign be reviewed under separate permit.
CASE 3.0101 (MINOR) . Application by DUNES HOTEL for architectural approval of
fence at 390 S. Indian Avenue, C-2 Zone, Section 14.
Restudy noting that landscape plans and street elevations must be pro-
vided.
ARCHITECTURAL APPROVAL ITEMS
Approval of architectural cases is valid for two years. The approval granted
must be exercised within that time period unless extended.
CASE 3.401-A. Application by GOLDEN HILLS CONSTRUCTION COMPANY for Jacquelyn
Davies for architectural approval of second story addition and color
change for existing residence at 3295 Tigertail Lane, R-1-A Zone,
Section 25.
M/S/C (Curtis/Olsen; Kaptur absent) approving the application subject to
the following condition: That the final colors be reviewed informally
by the AAC.
CASE 3.888. Application by W. HOWLETT for Vineyard Limited Partnership for
architectural approval of revised awning program for existing shopping
center on S. Palm Canyon Drive, south of Tahquitz Way, CBD Zone, Section
15.
M/S/C (Curtis/Ealy; Kaptur absent) continuing the application to
September 24. (To be reviewed at September 17 study session) .
CASE 3.0058 (MINOR) (Continued) . Application by GOLDEN STATE SIGNS for
architectural approval of revised main identification sign for Cafe
Mahvalous in the Desert Fashion Plaza, N. Palm Canyon Drive, CBD Zone,
Section 15.
M/S/C (Curtis/Ealy; Kaptur absent) continuing (removing from the agenda)
the item pending receipt of revised plans .
CASE 5.0414-CUP (Continued). Application by ROBERT LEMLEY/WILLIAM GARNER for
architectural approval of revisions for restaurant (Jasper's) at 500 E.
Palm Canyon Drive, R-3 Zone, Section 23.
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ARCHITECTURAL APPROVAL ITEMS (Continued)
CASE 5.0414-CUP. (Continued)
Planner presented the project, and stated that the applicant proposes an
extension for the restaurant, outdoor dining areas, and enclosure of the
glass wall with a stucco and rock wall which includes small windows . He
stated that the AAC and the Commission visited the site and that the
applicant had submitted revised plans which the AAC has seen eliminating
the rock walls, except for planters (which are acceptable to the AAC) .
He explained that the AAC felt the original design has a relationship
between the interior and exterior spaces but the proposed stucco walls
dilluted the original architectural concept. The committee also felt
that there should be a stronger link between outdoor and indoor dining
areas. AAC also suggested revisions to the porte-cochere and column
element. He stated that the committee felt that if the design concept
were to enclose the building there should be more substantial changes in
the rest of the architecture also, to complement this design change.
M/S/C (Olsen/Whitney; Kaptur absent) for a restudy noting the following:
1. The AAC noted that the original building was designed to have a
strong relationship between interior and exterior spaces. The
proposed remodel with stucco walls and random fenestration
eliminates this relationship and is not, therefore, complimentary
to the design of the building.
2. The proposed outdoor dining area should have a stronger visual and
floor plan link with the interior. AAC noted that there seems to
be no relationship between the indoor and outdoor dining areas in
the current design. Outdoor dining areas result in a reduction of
landscaping.
3. That the porte-cochere be revised - (column element; point of
connection of porte cochere to roof) .
4. AAC noted that more substantial changes in the architecture may be
necessary to achieve a satisfactory remodel .
5. AAC noted that the rock facing on the planter walls only was
acceptable.
CASE 3.0092 (MINOR) . Application by FAIRMONT SIGNS for K-Mart for architec-
tural approval of main identification sign for business in existing
shopping center on the southwest corner of Farrell Drive/Tahquitz-
McCallum Way, CSC Zone, Section 13.
M/S/C (Curtis/Neel ; Kaptur absent) continuing the application to
September 10 for review of recently submitted revised plans .
CASE 3.960. Application by PALM SPRINGS MALL for reconsideration of metal
flashing on the roof wall of an existing shopping center on the north-
west corner of Tahquitz-McCallum Way/Farrell Drive, CDN Zone, Section
18.
Planner (Williams) stated that the applicants wished to place metal
flashing (similar to that on Von' s) on the roof because of difficulty
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ARCHITECTURAL APPROVAL ITEMS (Continued)
CASE 3.960. (Continued)
with existing panels of the building and have agreed to the AAC condi-
tions.
M/S/C (Curtis/Olsen; Kaptur absent) approving application subject to the
following conditions:
1. That the metal flashing is acceptable as a parapet trim throughout
and is to be a heavy gauge (22 or greater) .
2. That split face block is acceptable for the freestanding refuse
enclosures .
CASE 3.0070. Application by DONALD E. WILLIAMS for architectural approval of
warehouse and office complex on the corner of Eugene Road/Calle San
Raphael , M-1 Zone, Section 19.
M/S/C (Curtis/Whitney; Kaptur absent) approving the application subject
to the following conditions:
1. That trees be added to landscape planters in parking bays .
2. That a three (3) foot planter be added adjacent to north wall of
building.
3. That all mechanical equipment be screened.
4. That elevations match the existing buildings.
CASE 3.0080. Application by CARMICHAEL DESIGNS (MIKE CARPENTER) for archi-
tectural approval of industrial building on Tachevah Way/Montalvo Way,
M-1-P Zone, Section 7.
M/S/C (Neel/Ealy; Kaptur absent) for a restudy of the application noting
the following:
1. That the east and north elevations need added design features.
2. That doors on the north elevation be painted to match building
colors.
3. That landscape planters (with trees) be added to the north side of
building.
CASE 3.0085. Application by MARK BLAICH CONSTRUCTION COMPANY for architec-
tural approval of 4-unit apartment building on Junipero Street/San
Marco, R-2 Zone, Section 3.
M/S/C (Ealy/Curtis; Kaptur absent) for a restudy of the architecture and
site plan.
Planner (Williams) stated that the applicant is aware of the recommend-
ations.
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PUBLIC HEARINGS
TPM 21270 (Continued) . Application by C. DUNHAM for a subdivision of land to
llft� divide property pursuant to an approved development district at South
Palm Canyon Drive/Murray Canyon Drive, R-2 and 0-20 Zones, Section 34.
(Ref. Cases 5.0185-PD-132, 5.0308-PD-155, and TTM 16495. )
(An EIR was prepared in conjunction with the original planned develop-
ment district. )
Planner (Williams) presented the project and stated that the purpose of
the map is to facilitate previously approved conditions on a related map
and project and that an EIR was prepared on the site master plan and
map. She stated that the subject map is for an exchange of property for
access rights, that several Vista Canyon homeowners had asked for a con-
tinuance to meet with the applicant to discuss road alignment, and that
the applicant indicates that the meeting has taken place and concerns
addressed.
Planner (Evans) explained that an EIR had been done previously on the
other projects, that there are three 20 acre parcels, and an additional
western hillside parcel zoned 0-20 from which the density will be trans-
ferred to the Dunham property and the lot dedicated to the City as open
space with lots surrounding it dedicated for the term of the Indian
leases. He stated that the CC&R's will require that all development on
the lot receive AAC and Planning Commission approval , that the EIR had
taken two years to complete, that impacts from development can be miti-
gated to an acceptable level , and that the density will be 9 units on
180 acres .
Discussion ensued on the location of the road and previous Commission
actions. Planner (Evans) stated that the road alignment was restudied
twice, that the final development plan had been approved for the roadway
at its present location, and that landscape plans are approved. He
stated that there is R-2 Zoning on one of the 20 acre parcels, that the
parcel is unusual because of steep hillside and wash conditions, and it
is best to have 9 homes on the property to forestall future R-2
development.
Chairman declared the hearing open.
Mrs. G. Stone, 2530 LaCondesa, Vista Canyon, President of the homeowners
association, objected to the proposal because although an exchange of
property is being addressed, she felt that it could be the beginning of
development of 10 condominiums on the site. She questioned the identity
of the applicants , since the public hearing notice stated "S. Platt" and
the agenda stated "C. Dunham" .
Chairman stated that the application is for Mr. Dunham as a private
agreement to transfer property.
Mrs. Stone agreed and stated that Mr. Platt gave Mr. Dunham the land for
the road in the beginning and that information from Mr. Platt indicates
a ten unit hillside condo with 2.3 persons , which would add 2.3 cars,
... etc. perr unit and-that: there will be traffic problems. She stated that
she was opposed to any hillside development, and if allowed, eventually
there will be no mountains or deserts to view, only houses. She also
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PUBLIC HEARINGS
TPM 21270. (Continued)
objected to the holding of the public hearing in August when residents
are out of town because many persons are interested in preservation of
the mountains and would have attended to voice their objections .
There being no further appearances, Chairman closed the hearing.
Discussion followed. Chairman stated that the project had been approved
previously and that property exchange is the issue the Commission is
addressing. Commissioner Olsen asked if the access would increase the
traffic. Planner (Evans) stated that an access easement caused concern
because it was in the area of a drainage course, that the developable
property is located away from the access , and that there is a large
knoll which would obstruct a roadway. He stated that the location
chosen was one that would cause theleast disruption' (cut and fill ) , the
least amount of scarring and visibility from the City, and that there
would be adequate visibility for cars approaching the intersection. He
stated that the Cahuilla Hills pads, except for one, are slightly higher
than the pads in the subject proposal , that any road would pass by Vista
Canyon unless a portion of the hill were removed, and that the environ-
mental consultant recommended the approved location.
Mrs. Stone stated that the wash is a natural one and carries debris in a
large storm, and that she and her neighbors cleared debris from it after
the last large storm. She stated that if this wash is disturbed, the
water will drain in another location.
Chairman explained that the road is in its present location so it is out
of the wash. Mrs. Stone explained that the homeowners were not
objecting to it not being in the wash because no one could build in it,
but that her point was that it is a large wash and not a small drain.
Commissioner Whitney requested that she abstain because she had not pre-
viously participated in discussion on the project.
M/S/C (Curtis/Neel ; Kaptur absent; Whitney abstained) approving the
application based on the following findings and subject to the following
conditions:
Findings•
1. That the property is suitable for the permitted uses in the zoning
district.
2. That a parcel map is in the appropriate application for the pro-
posed subdivision.
3. That the proposed subdivision is consistent with the Subdivision
Map Act, local Subdivision Ordinance and General Plan and condi-
tions have been imposed to insure that the proposed map will not
be detrimental to the health, safety or welfare of the City.
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PUBLIC HEARINGS
TPM 21270. (Continued)
Conditions •
The Development Committee Conditions dated July 30, 1986 shall apply.
The Planning conditions are herewith listed.
1. That a covenant or access agreement for ingress and egress be
reviewed and approved by Planning Director, City Engineer, and
City Attorney prior to approval of Final Map. Said agreement to
contain provision for slope maintenance, restoration and con-
struction paths.
2. That if slopes (cut/fill ) are located off-site an agreement shall
be provided for encroachment and maintenance.
3. That the Final Map shall demonstrate or indicate the alignment of
the access easement to South Palm Canyon Drive.
PUBLIC COMMENTS
Planner (Evans) recommended that a hotel application (Case 5.0398-PD-180
Larry Pierce Hotel ) previously approved except for architecture be
reviewed informally by the Commission, since it is scheduled for Council
consideration:
INFORMAL REVIEW
Planner (Green) described location of the hotel (across from Goodyear
Tire) , stated that the Commission recommended approval of the
preliminary planned development district, but restudy of the archi-
tecture. Since the Commission restudied the project the applicant has
revised elevations. He discussed the Commission concerns on the mass
and detailing of the building and the arches and proportions of the
roof. He stated that the applicant has revised the arch details and
increased the roof to a full hip roof, and submitted details integrating
mass into the detailing of the buildings and that he has requested an
informal review prior to submission to Council . He stated that the AAC
had not seen the revisions , but had recommended approval of the previous
elevations .
Chairman asked for confirmation that the Commission would review the
architecture in final development plans and that no action would be
taken although the applicant is .requesting comment. He stated that the
elevations have improved.
In response to a question by the Chairman the Planner stated that the
application is preliminary only and that the Commission would review
final development plans.
The Chairman stated that the elevations had greatly improved and
appeared acceptable.
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ARCHITECTURAL APPROVAL ITEMS (Continued)
Approval of architectural cases is valid for two years. The approval granted
must be exercised within that time period unless extended.
CASE 3.0067 (MINOR) . Application by RICHARD FISCHER for architectural
approval of details of the south elevation of the Spa Hotel , 100 N.
Indian Avenue, C-2 Zone (IL) , Section 14.
Planner (Evans) stated that the AAC recommended restudy because of con-
cern by one of the AAC members on the detail of the south elevation. He
stated that staff and the AAC member met with the architect, and that
the AAC member now feels that the revision is acceptable.
Planner (Williams) stated that the south elevation detailing was not
clear as to the ending of the stone work, but on site it is evident that
there is a clean line of demarcation and that the stone work is not
being placed on the tower.
M/S/C (Curtis/Whitney; Kaptur absent) approving the application as sub-
mitted.
CASE 3.505. Application by MICHAEL BUCCINO for architectural approval of
landscape plans and main identification sign for a condominium project
on the northwest corner of E. Palm Canyon Drive/Cherokee Way, R-G-A (8)
Zone (IL) , Section 30.
Zoning Enforcement Officer stated that the action would be on the land-
scaping since the details of the sign have not been submitted. He
stated that the new landscaping is an extension of the existing and that
the applicant realizes that staff is concerned about the sign.
M/S/C (Neel/Curtis; Kaptur absent) approving the application as sub-
mitted.
CITY COUNCIL ACTIONS. Planning Commission update of City Council actions .
No report was given.
ADJOURNMENT
There being no further business to discuss, Chairman adjourned the meeting at
2:25 p.m.
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PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES
Council Chamber, City Hall
• September 10, 1986
1:30 P.M.
ROLL CALL F-Y 1986 - 1987
Present Present Excused Absences
Planning Commission This Meeting to Date to date
Larry Lapham, Chairman X 5 0
Hugh Curtis X 5 0
Hugh Kaptur X 4 1
Curt Ealy X 4 1
Earl Neel X 3 2
Gary Olsen X 4 0
Barbara Whitney X 2 1
Staff Present
Marvin D. Roos, Planning Director
Robert Green, Planner
Margo Williams, Planner
Dave Forcucci , Zoning Enforcement
Mary E. Lawler, Recording Secretary
Architectural Advisory Committee - September 8, 1986
J. Cioffi , Chairman
William Johnson
• Chris Mills
Earl Neel
Tom Doczi
Chairman called the meeting to order at 1 :30 p.m.
M/S/C (Olsen/Neel ; Kaptur absent) approving minute of August 27, 1986 as
submitted .
ADMINISTRATIVE NOTE:
There were no Tribal Council comments .
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