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Council Chamber, City Hall
April 9, 1986
1:30 p.m.
ROLL CALL F-Y 1985 - 1986
Present Present Excused Absences
Planning Commission This Meeting to Date to date
Paul Madsen, Chairman X 18 0
Hugh Curtis X 18 0
Hugh Kaptur X 16 2
Sharon Apfelbaum X 17 1
Larry L apham X 18 0
Curt Ealy X 13 0
Earl Neel X 9 0
Staff Present
Marvin D. Roos, Planning Director
Siegfried Siefkes, Assistant City Attorney
Margo Williams, Planner
Carol Vankeeken, Planner
Dave Forcucci , Zoning Enforcement Officer
Richard Patenaude, Planner
Douglas Evans, Planner
Robert Green, Planner
Emily Perri , Economic Development Coordinator
John Terell , Redevelopment Planner
Mary E. Lawler, Recording Secretary
Architectural Advisory Committee - April 7, 1986
J. Cioffi , Chairman Alternate: Curt Ealy
Chris Mills
Earl Neel
Tom Doczi
William Johnson
Sharon Apfelbaum
Chairman called the meeting to order at 1:30 p.m.
M/S/C (Apfelbaum/Kaptur) approving minutes of March 26, 1986 as submitted.
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CONSENT ACTION AGENDA
Approval of architectural cases is valid for two years. The approval granted
must be exercised within that time period unless extended.
M/S/C (Curtis/Ealy) taking the following actions:
CASE 3.955-MINOR (Continued) . Application by ALLEN FENCE for architectural
approval of 1200 feet of chain link fence to secure mainly vacant prop-
erty at 815 Panorama Drive (hillside lot), R-1-A Zone, Section 10.
Continued to April 23 to resolve fence issues between the applicant and
neighbors.
CASE 3.902. Application by R. HARRISON for architectural approval of land-
scape plans for single-family residence on LaMirada Road between
Ramon/Sunny Dunes Roads, R-1-A Zone, Section 22.
Approved subject to the following conditions:
1. That the Aleppo Pine be replaced with Stone Pine.
2. That the sizes of the Lupiloma Thornberi be two, 24" box size and
four, 15 gallon.
3. That vines be added to the east side of the utility room.
4. That the revised parapet detail is approved (the metal cap is
•—� acceptable).
SIGN APPLICATION. Application by J. HOWENSTEIN, INC. for architectural
approval of revised plans for main identification sign for Burger King
on North Indian Avenue, C-2 Zone, (I.L. ), Section 14.
Approved subject to the following condition: That the planter boxes be
extended six inches on either side.
ITEMS REMOVED FROM THE CONSENT ACTION AGENDA
CASE 5.0275-PD-147 (Continued). Application by DEBARTOLO CORPORATION for
architectural approval of screening of lights under the parking struc-
ture for Maxim' s Hotel and Desert Fashion Plaza on North Palm Canyon
Drive between Tahquitz Way/Amado Road, C-B-D Zone, Section 15.
Planner (Green) presented an example of the light fixture used by
DeBartolo in the parking structure. He stated that originally there
were bare tubes which are now to be screened with a plastic screen, that
the AAC recommended that the fixtures be moved under the beams (not just
screened) to avoid seeing the light source from Belardo. He stated that
DeBartolo spokesmen indicate that the light fixture is the best that can
be obtained to meet lighting levels required for insurance.
Commissioner Kaptur stated that the fixture is an interior type, and
that it should be one designed for exterior use.
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ITEMS REMOVED FROM THE CONSENT ACTION AGENDA
CASE 5.0275-PD-147 (Continued).
M/S/C (Lapham/Apf elbaum) for a restudy to review an alternate exterior
type of fixture designed to be us—e —in the parking structure and the
lighting to be relocated behind the beams (not directly under the beam).
ARCHITECTURAL APPROVAL ITEMS
Approval of architectural cases is valid for two years. The approval granted
must be exercised within that time period unless extended.
CASE 3.900. Application by J. FRANKEL for architectural approval of a
retail/commercial complex at 689 South Palm Canyon Drive between Sunny
Dunes Road/Camino Parocela, C-2 Zone, Section 23.
Planner (Williams) presented the project on the board and stated that
the Mr. Meat building will be razed and the subject complex constructed.
M/S/C (Neel/Curtis) approving the application subject to the following
conditions:
1. That all recommendations of the Development Committee be met.
2. That working drawings be reviewed by the AAC and Planning
Commission.
3. That the landscape be restudied for plant variety.
CASE 3.945 (MINOR). Application by L. GREENBERG for architectural approval of
revised elevations for bedroom addition at 1011 Cielo Drive, R-1-C Zone,
Section 3.
Planner (Vankeeken) presented the project and stated that the deck loca-
tion has .been changed (a minor revision) .
M/S/C (Curtis/Neel ) approving the revised application as submitted.
CASE 3.947. Application by T. BERKES for Metropolitan Theaters for architec-
tural approval of working drawings for 6 screen theater on Tahquitz Way
between Calle Alvarado/El Segundo, C-1-AA, Section 14 (Ref. Case
3.309) .
Chairman abstained; Vice-Chairman presided.
Planner (Williams) presented the working drawings and stated that the
digital sign submitted by the applicant is not acceptable, and that the
AAC recommended as one of the conditions that the air conditioning
screening be restudied. She stated that the lobby plans will probably
be on the April 23 agenda, that two architects are working on them, and
that staff has seen only preliminary drawings.
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ARCHITECTURAL APPROVAL ITEMS (Continued)
CASE 3.947 (Continued).
Planning Director stated that air conditioning equipment should be
screened or reorganized on the roof so that the view from future multi-
stored buildings is attractive. Planner reiterated that the lobby area
will be reviewed by the Commission.
M/S/C (Lapham/Curtis; Ealy/Madsen abstained) approving the working
drawings subject to the following conditions:
1. That the applicant consider a main sign with a dark background and
light letters in lieu of the digital reader board.
2. That a sample of the split face block be reviewed in the field
prior to installation.
3. That the stucco areas remain as shown on the original elevations
except the planter at the northeast corner of the building is to
be split face block.
4. That the air conditioning screening be restudied noting that the
corners are to have a radius and the transition from the high to
low roof be improved. The air conditioning shall be reviewed as
to its appearance from adjacent buildings and additional treatment
may be necessary.
PUBLIC HEARINGS
CASE 5.0369-PD-172. Application by KAPTUR & CIOFFI for Contractors Develop-
ment Corporation for a planned development district to allow construc-
tion of a 79 unit apartment complex including a density bonus on Las
Vegas Road between East Gate Road/Granada Avenue, R-2 Zone, Section 34.
Recommendation: That the Commission order preparation of a Draft Nega-
tive Declaration; tentatively approve the application; and continue the
application to April 23 for response to written comments on the Draft
Negative Declaration.
Planner (Williams) presented the project on the board and stated that
the applicant is requesting a 25% density bonus for low to moderate
income individuals (which would be 15 units), and that the AAC reviewed
the project and recommended approval .
Economic Development Coordinator stated that the applicant is not
requesting mortgage revenue bonds, that the density bonus would require
that 25% of the units be set aside for low or moderate income housing,
and that the rental guidelines will be provided and monitored by the
City.
Chairman declared the hearing open.
J. Cioffi , Project Architect, 600 Tahquitz Way, stated that he was pre-
sent to answer questions.
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Case 5.0369-PD-172 (Cont'd. )
Reverend Rollins, Minister of the Palm Springs Baptist Church, stated he
in favor of the project because it will fill a housing need for the area
but that he had concerns, because of its proximity to the church, about
what type of management operation will be employed. He stated that he
is also worried about the obstruction of the view of the church by the
project' s wall and maintenance and upkeep of the project.
Chairman stated that the Commission reviews land use and architectural
issues and that the management of the property is not in the
Commission's purview. He stated that the Economic Development Division
could comment on the management issues.
Economic Development Coordinator stated that the City would not be
involved in the management of the project. She stated that renters
would be screened to assure clients meet income requirements for afford-
able housing (at a minimum annually).
Reverend Rollins stated that project management sometimes causes
problems for the area, and that the community is requesting that project
management address problems decently.
Chairman reiterated that project management of a project is not a City
concern, and that the developer can employ anyone he wishes to manage
his project.
Reverend Rollins stated that he was indicating concerns of the com-
munity.
Since there were no further appearances, Chairman declared the hearing
closed.
Discussion ensued on the Las Vegas Road alignment. Planner stated that
the line is offset but is not a problem. Planning Director stated that
street alignment appearsto be correct.
In reply to Commission question, Assistant City Attorney stated that the
Commission is not in a position to provide assurance to Reverend Rollins
regarding management of the project, although the developer who is pro-
bably in the audience can note Reverend Rollin' s concerns.
In reply to Commission question, Mr. Cioffi stated that property
ownership is not local , but that the applicant is familiar with the type
of project and probably could meet with Reverend Rollins to discuss his
concerns.
M/S/C (Apf elbaum/Lapham; Ealy/Kaptur abstained) ordering the preparation
of a Draft Negative Declaration, tentatively approving the application,
and continuing the case to April 23.
Note: Commission requested that the applicant meet with Reverend
Rollins regarding his concerns.
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PUBLIC HEARINGS (Continued)
�..,� CASE 5.0389-PD-177 & TPM 21324. Application by WILLIAM CUMMING (EXPO
ENTERPRISES) for a planned development district and tentative parcel map
to allow a 40 mobilehome development on the southside of the west end of
Mesquite Avenue, 0-TP & R-20 Zones, Section 22.
Planner (Green) presented the application on the board. He stated that
development issues include the necessity for access into the proposed
Tahquitz Regional Park and onto City owned land, requirement to
construct a parking area and a trail from the termination of Mesquite to
the Lykken Trail , archaeological requirements because the site although
extensively graded is a national historic site, environmental issues of
flooding and drainage because of the site' s proximity to the foothills
of Mount San Jacinto. He stated that there is also a problem with the
possibly illegal extension of Parkview Mobilehome Park into the natural
drainage flow and that deficiencies exist in the servicing of the units
(lacking in management office , laundry, and storage facilities). He
stated that the developable portion of the site is only six acres (20
acres is the ordinance requirement), and that there is only 10 feet of
landscaping adjacent to the right-of-way for Mesquite (the ordinance
requires 40 feet). He stated that some of the units in Parkview have
encroached over the property line (which is a separate legal matter to
be resolved between the two property owners), and that there is also a
deficiency (although possibly adequate because of the location of the
site) in recreation space. He stated that amenities that are now
lacking will be indicated in the final detailed plan stage and that
staff has received many complaints from Parkview Mobilehome Park
�-� residents about the proposed project's use . of facilities and roads in
Parkview, but that this is a private legal matter. He stated also that
the Tribal Council is requesting continuance for review, that staff
recommends approval and that an on-site review is recommended for the
Commission to see existing grading and other details. He described the
proposed buildings as modular, that a petition has been received
containing the signatures of 120 people opposing the proposal; that
there are two private roads connecting at a point in Parkview where a
mobilehome space was left open, and that Parcel #2 is hillside. He
explained that Parcel #1 is the parcel that would be developed, and
Parcel #2 may be dedicated to the City as open space.
Chairman declared the hearing open.
W. Cumming, Project Manager, 2150 Tahquitz Way, stated that laundry
facilities will be included inside the units and that storage units will
be adequate. He stated that the proposed site visit should resolve
questions and that the architect, engineer and attorney for the project
present to• answer questions. He stated, in reply to Commission
question, that he did not have the authority to dedicate Parcel #2 to
the City, that the principals wish to accomplish dedication, but that no
formal dedication has been made.
J. Abraham, 707 Scenic View, Parkview, stated that in 1974 when he
bought space in Parkview the air conditioner was placed at the rear of
the coach. He stated that he has been told to remove it or that it will
be removed by the developer of the new park, but after 12 years he feels
it should be allowed to remain. He also stated that in reviewing the
plans he noticed that the proposed mobilehome park has no swimming
pools, laundries, or recreational amenities. He stated because of
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PUBLIC HEARINGS (Continued)
CASE 5.0389-PD-177 & TPM 21324.
encroachment there will be legal matters and that the residents of Park-
view are old and cannot withstand harassment.
D. Cliffenburg, 398 W. Fourth Street, San Bernardino, Attorney repre-
senting Parkview requested continuance for further public input before
action is taken, and requested that more time be allowed to review the
proposal by Parkview homeowners. He stated that there is a claim by the
applicant to access the common area easement which the City Attorney
feels is a private legal matter, but if the road is shown on the plans
the intent is to make use of the Parkview property. He stated that the
easement document is not of record with the County or other agencies, is
filed with only the local Indians, and that Parkview residents dispute
feasibility of the proposed access. He requested continuance to allow
the residents in Parkview to discuss the easement problem and stated
that it is an obvious intent by the applicant to use the common area
facilities of Parkview, especially the clubhouse, because of insuffi-
cient common area facilities in the proposed project although the City
indicates the facilities will be provided. He stated that the project
will downgrade the area since Parkview is a attractive park, and that
there is an overlooking problem caused by the proposal which invades the
existing rights of privacy of the Parkview residents. He stated also
that the beauty of the foothills will be spoiled by the proposal and
requested again that the item be continued and no action taken on the
dedication. In reply to Commission question, Mr. Cliffenburg stated
o that the applicant waived his right to use the Parkview facilities on
the easement agreement. He stated that the question of whether or not
the proposal is a second phase of Parkview should be addressed to the
applicant.
I. Evans, Parkview resident, stated that most of his concerns had been
addressed by the previous speaker and voiced concern over the noise and
possible slide damage that could be caused by construction. He
requested a six figure insurance policy coverage by the applicant to
cover potential property and life damage. He asked if the City were
willing to widen the road 75 yards to accommodate the additional traffic
caused by construction and future residents and stated that a large
amount of money is involved by the City for the construction of 40
units.
Chairman and Commissioner Kaptur stated that City requires bonding which
the developer supplies.
Mrs. B. Nissenson, resident of Parkview, stated that the issue is human-
ities (not legalities) and requested priority because Parkview residents
are permanent and interested in Palm Springs. She stated that the
residents do not want to take legal action, that the project is unneces-
sary, that if the residents go to court they would be the losers and
that people in Parkview do not have the strength to fight battles.
Chairman reminded the residents that the owner of the property adjacent
to Parkview has a right to develop it.
B. Bond, 729 Scenic View, Parkview, stated that he was concerned about
flood control because of the location of his home beneath the highest
wall , questioned the 15 ft. rather than 40 f t. easement in the rear and
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PUBLIC HEARINGS (Continued)
CASE 5.0389-PD-177 & TPM 21324.
the 6 acre rather than the 20 acre site. He stated that the easement
road is next to his home and questioned whether or not it would be sur-
faced. He also questioned provisions for access for fire vehicles. He
stated also that security and traffic during construction are concerns.
Mr. Evans questioned if there is no easement, the amount of security
provided to Parkview.
Chairman stated that the easement is a matter between the private owners
and is not in the Commission' s purview. Mr. Evans stated that if there
is no easement, the applicant cannot build.
Chairman stated that the Parkview legal counsel did not agree with Mr.
Evans' interpretation. Mr. Evans replied that if the applicants have a
public easement, anyone can come through Parkview and use the facility.
Commissioner Kaptur stated that the use of the facility would depend on
the type of easement (which at this time is unknown).
Planning Director in reply to Commission question stated that the sub-
division is a self contained project with access off Mesquite
(extended) and if the easement were deleted, the only problem would be
drainage. He stated that the project does not need an easement to
operate.
Mr. Evans stated that the residents of the proposed park can enter off
Mesquite which is very narrow.
Planner stated that the Fire Department has approved the plan.
Mr. Evans replied that there is not enough planning on the project for
the Commission to consider it.
Chairman asked those in the audience who were opposed to the project to
raise their hands (many hands were raised).
W. Cumming (rebuttal ) stated that he is in sympathy with the Parkview
residents statements, and that the answers to questions are available in
the City files. He stated, in reply to Commission question, that the
easements are to be used and are signed by the U.S. Government and the
lessors of the land and are legal and legitimate. He stated that the
road would be used in and out of Parkview because easements go with the
land and the purpose is for utilities and sewer lines. He stated that
the remainder of the documents show validity, and that the issue is
between the two property owners but that the owners of the Parkview
property will not discuss the issue.
Chairman requested that the applicant meet with Parkview representatives
to resolve basic misunderstandings. Mr. Cummings replied that Parkview
representatives can reach him at his office.
In reply to Commission question, Mr. Cummings stated that the applicant
has purchased the property and easement rights to the facilities within
Parkview.
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PUBLIC HEARINGS (Continued)
CASE 5.0389-PD-177 & TPM 21324.
G. Marantz, owner of Happy Traveler Mobilehome Park stated that there
are no easements because the Marantz family kept the easements when
Parkview was sold. He stated that the applicants lack sewer and road
easements and that he was neither for nor against the project. He
stated that the easement document does not show the name of the
developer but that of the Marantz family.
In reply to Chairman' s question, Planner stated that the front yard set-
back is allowed at 10 feet rather than 40 feet because the site is
located at the end of the street with the adjacent neighbor being a
large single family home set in vast grounds. He stated that the set-
back is to provide the parkway along the street, and that staff feels
that adequate parkway is provided.
Planning Director explained that there is a question of how Mesquite
will be used in the future, and to insure an interim access, the road
will be improved to the entry. He stated that eventually access to
Tahquitz Canyon probably will be in another location.
Commissioner Kaptur questioned review of the project with the legal
issues unresolved.
Planning Director replied that the project can exist independently of
the easements, and that if the courts find that the easements do not
exist, the connection point can be closed. He stated that the easements
do not show on the documents reviewed by the Commission, and that the
plans are being reviewed irrespective of the claims between the two
private property owners.
In reply to Commission question, he stated that the project is being
reviewed at one-third less size than what is normally required which is
allowable under P.D.D. procedures; that there has been a fairly
extensive history of review when the site was proposed to be developed
under two separate applications, although neither application became a
reality. He stated that there was grading on the site with the first
application, and that the proposal was a logical extension of Parkview
and is residential in character, and that hillside open space is being
assured by the project. He stated that the AAC and the Tribal Council
both requested continuance for further review.
M/S/C (Kaptur/Apfelbaum) continuing the application until April 23.
TRIBAL COUNCIL COMMENTS
1. Noted that the proposed project is located within a National
Historic Site and adjacent to developed Indian trust land (Park-
view Mobilehome Park) .
2. Noted that the Environmental Assessment indicated that the pro-
posed project will impact the existing drainage system within the
Parkview Mobilehome Park and may impact cultural resources of the
Agua Caliente Band.
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PUBLIC HEARINGS (Continued)
CASE 5.0389-PD-177 & TPM 21324.
3. Expressed concerns relative to reference in the staff report to
possible impacts on the privacy and aesthetics of the Parkview
Mobilehome Park.
4. Noted that copies of the Site Plan and the preliminary grading
plan referenced in the staff report, were not included in the
packet received from the Planning Department.
CASE 6.348-Variance. Application by ALBERT GOLDHAGEN for a variance for
freestanding addition within the setbacks for a residence at 301
Tamarisk south of Avenida Caballeros, R-1-B Zone, Section 11.
(This action is categorically exempt from environmental assessment per
CEQA guidelines. )
Recommendation: That the Commission deny the variance.
Planner (Williams) presented the application, stated that staff is
recommending denial , and that the AAC did not review the application
because it is not in an architectural area. Planner Director stated
that the AAC should review the application because it is two-story.
Chairman declared the hearing open.
R. George, representing Mr. Goldhagen the applicant, requested that the
item be continued to April 23 in order for the applicant to review the
staff report and to review options. He stated that the applicant is ill
but could attend the April 23 meeting.
In reply to Commission question, Mr. George stated that the applicant
bought the property in November of 1985 and that it has been difficult
to understand the ramifications of the situation. He stated that the
applicant thought that the portion that was added on was the problem.
There being no further appearances, Chairman declared the hearing
closed.
In reply to Commission questions, Planner stated that there are no
alternatives to allow the use and that records are sketchy, but if
approved, the structure would not meet uniform building code standards
and that the original guest house is non-conforming. She stated that
the ordinance allows for additions but that they are required to conform
to zoning and building code requirements, and that the violation was
discovered when there was fire damage to the guest house structure, at
which time the property owner was notified but took no action. She
stated that records are not in existence for the addition but the main
house was probably built around 1954. Planning Director stated that the
City' s concern is for the addition which is in the setbacks. Planner
stated that the guest house is two story and may have been a garage
since there is no garage on the site.
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PUBLIC HEARINGS (Continued)
CASE 6.348-Variance.
M/S/C (Lapham/Ealy) continuing the application to April 23 at the
request of the applicant.
ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT ITEM
CASE 3.997 & TPM 21492. Application by B. J. CRAWFORD for approval of a 3-
story condominium complex and tentative parcel map (consolidation of
three lots into one) on E1 Segundo between Ramon Road/Saturnino Road, R-
4 Zone, (I.L. ) , Section 14.
Planner (Green) stated that the elevations are on the board but the,
Commission review is for environmental impact.
Planning Director stated that the environmental assessment only would be
reviewed since there is difficulty in assembling the property owners
list.
Planner presented the elevations on the display board. After discus-
sion, Chairman stated that the project seemed very urban and inward.
C. Mills, 121 S. Palm Canyon, project architect, stated that one of the
important considerations in a high density project is the streetscape,
and that the buildings are set back into the site and stepped creating a
�.. minor impact on the street.
Commissioner Lapham commented that it is a hotel zone (R-4 density).
M/S/C (Apf elbaum/Kaptur; Ealy abstained) ordering the preparation of a
Draft Negative Declaration and continuing the application to May 14 for
noticing.
Tribal Council comments: See attachment "A".
ARCHITECTURAL APPROVAL ITEMS (Continued)
CASE 3.0010. Application by WESSMAN DEVELOPMENT COMPANY for architectural
approval of 104 unit apartment complex on Belardo Road/Morongo Trail
intersection, R-3 Zone, (I.L. ), Section 22.
Chairman abstained, Vice-Chairman presided.
Planner (Green) presented the project on display board. Planning
Director stated that an alternative design has been submitted on the
entry carports and that only part of the project can be gated.
M/S/C (Neel/Curtis; Ealy/Lapham; Madsen abstained) approving the
application subject to the following conditions.
1. That all recommendations of the Development Committee be met.
2. That working drawings be submitted for AAC and Planning Commission
review.
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ARCHITECTURAL APPROVAL ITEMS (Continued)
CASE 3.0010.
3. That detailed landscaping, exterior lighting, and irrigation plans
be submitted. (Plans to include screening of the end elevations
of the carport from Belardo Road. )
CASE 3.952 (REF. CASE 5.0735-PD-170 & TTM 16581). Application by D. MARTIN
for architectural approva of revised elevations for a 192 unit apart-
ment complex on Sunrise Way between Racquet Club Road/Francis Drive, 0-5
Zone, Section 2.
Planner (Green) presented the project on the display board. He stated
that several restudies have been made and that the AAC concerns were the
integration of the elements of the building since the committee feels
that the two story buildings appear as though they are two one-story
elements stacked. He stated that the AAC was also concerned about the
roof pitch.
Commissioner Apfelbaum stated that AAC Chairman Cioffi almost voted in
favor of the revised project.
D. Levinson, project architect, stated that several designs and attempts
have been made and that stacked units attain relief from fin walls and
overhangs. He stated that any of the four elevations is acceptable with
landscaping and shadows cast, and that straight lines have been
eliminated. He requested that the Commission make a decision.
In reply to Commission question, Planner stated that at the Architectural
Advisory meeting of April 7 architects liked the single story eleva-
tions and wanted their character reflected throughout the project but
that the two story elements appeared stacked. He stated that staff
showed pictures of a similar project in Palm Desert and that the vote at
the AAC was a tie with the architects dissenting.
Chairman stated that the original design was preferrable, and that he
liked the applicant' s project in Palm Desert.
Discussion ensued on the open space in the project. Planner stated that
the architects felt the one in Palm Springs is more open. Commissioner
Kaptur stated that there should be a restudy because the Commission
always has second thoughts after approving a marginal project.
Motion was made by Kaptur for a restudy. Motion died for lack of a
second.
Commissioner Apfelbaum suggested that the applicants return with a land-
scaping plan to be approved with the architecture.
D. Martin, the applicant, requested approval of the building with a
landscape plan to be submitted in the future because of the length of
time necessary to prepare the plans.
Commissioner Apfelbaum stated that Commissioners feel that two plans are
intertwined.
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ARCHITECTURAL APPROVAL ITEMS (Continued)
CASE 3.952 (REF. CASE 5.0735-PD-170 & TTM 16581).
Mr. Martin stated that it is a philosophical issue, that he is not an
architect but feels he knows what is attractive, that one of the AAC
members was too busy to meet with him to discuss the plans but he was
told he should understand what the Commission wanted.
Further discussion followed. Consensus was that elevation No. 3 was the
most acceptable. Planning Director stated that the roof pitch is
important to the appearance of the project.
M/S/C (Neel/Ealy; Curtis/Lapham abstained; Kaptur dissented) approving
the application subject to the following conditions:
1. That the elevations of plan No. 3 be implemented.
2. That detailed landscape, irrigation, and exterior lighting plans
be submitted.
3. That the roof pitch be six/twelve.
CASE 5.0360-PD-170. Application by R. P. WARMINGTON CO. for architectural
approval of revision to floor plan/balcony for 187 unit hotel on East
Palm Canyon Drive, R-2 & R-3 Zones, Section 26.
Planner (Williams) stated that the applicant is requesting a change in
the exterior balcony in order to add square footage to the rooms and
that the revision would eliminate the shadow-casting recessed areas of
the balcony. He stated that the AAC recommended denial .
M. Knorringa, the applicant, stated that the change allowed for the com-
bination of jacuzzi , shower, and tub in the room; and that the
elevation of the project is not changed by the revisions although less
shadow line is apparent. He stated that the revisions shorten the space
between the sliding glass door and the wall of the bedrooms and that the
exhibits presented are rough because he thought they would be reviewed
by staff only.
Mr. Kaptur stated that bathrooms usually are placed on an inside wall
because they do not require windows thus opening the exterior wall for
glass to lighten the rooms. He stated that valuable exterior wall space
is being lost and questioned the reasons.
Mr. Knorringa stated that is the way the product was developed for units
without a view, but that he had no explanation for the reasoning.
Commissioner Kaptur stated that he would support the change because room
size is important and has been increased with a minimal affect on the
exterior. Commissioner Lapham agreed. Discussion continued.
Commissioner Kaptur stated that the extended wing wall is to allow
privacy to the guests on the balcony. Planner stated that the balcony' s
`-� height is not a full one. In reply to Commission questions, Mr.
Knorringa stated that if the bathrooms were enlarged they might be in
the setbacks. Discussion continued at the display board. Consensus was
that the revision does eliminate the shadows which are necessary to the
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ARCHITECTURAL APPROVAL ITEMS (Continued)
CASE 5.0360-PD-170.
appearance of the exterior. Commissioner Kaptur stated that enough
shadows could be obtained by recessing the walls 18 inches. Consensus
was that the AAC should review the 18 inch recess.
In reply to Commission question, Mr. Knorringa stated that the bathrooms
are not equipped for handicapped, but the doorways meet handicapped
requirements.
M/S/C (Kaptur/Curtis; Ealy abstained) for a restudy for a revision to
the project showing an 18 inch separation between the balcony and the
wall and continuing the item to April 23 for AAC and Planning Commission
review.
CASE 3.0019. Application by CITY OF PALM SPRINGS for concept approval of fire
training facility located at the east end of Alejo Road adjacent to
Municipal Airport, "A" Zone, Section 12.
Planning Director stated that the Fire Department is requesting concept
approval and has responded to the Commission recommendation to move the
training facility away from a residential neighborhood, that the
facility is now on the airport at the east end of Al ej o, and that it is
a concrete structure. He discussed AAC recommendations and stated that
the Airport Commission recommended that the burn pits be located away
from the property line. Fireman Mike Rowe stated that the facility
�—' meets FAA requirements and has been approved by the Airport Commission.
He explained the types of training that will be conducted at the
facility, stated that the site is near the runway for emergency access,
that burns are conducted six times a year with a minor amount of smoke
and that mid-rise training (6 stories) can be accomplished at the
facility.
M/S/C (Kaptur/Apfelbaum) approving the application subject to the
following conditions:
1. That final detail landscape, irrigation, and exterior lighting
plans be submitted.
2. That all recommendations of the Development Committee be met.
3. That the landscaping use arid/drought tolerant plants.
4. That the setbacks be increased on the street frontage.
5. That the burn pits be relocated.
April 9, 1986 PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES Page 15
TENTATIVE TRACT AND PARCEL MAPS
TPM 21407. Application by ASL CONSULTING ENGINEERS for Friedman Ventures for
approval of tentative parcel map to allow development of commercial
office/warehouse complex at Gene Autry Trail/Sunny Dunes Road and Calle
San Raphael/Mesquite Avenue, M-1 Zone, Section 20.
M/S/C (Lapham/Apf elbaum; Ealy/Kaptur abstained) approving TPM 21407 on
the condition that all recommendations of the Development Committee be
met.
TPM 21108. Application by SANBORN/WEBB for G. Patel for approval of parcel
map to consolidate 3 lots into one on the southeast corner of Vista
Chino/Indian Avenue, R-3 Zone, Section 11. (Ref. Case 5.0352-PD-166).
M/S/C (Neel/Curtis; Ealy/Kaptur abstained) approving TPM 21108 subject
to the conditions that all recommendations of the Development Committee
be met.
ARCHITECTURAL APPROVAL ITEMS (Cont'd.
CASE 3.0017 (MINOR) REF. CASE 2.98 4-HOA. Application by ALAN ROBBINS for
architectural approval of a patio enclosure at 385 E. Via Escuela in
Riviera Gardens condominium complex on Via Miraleste between Vista
Chino/Via Escuela, R-3 Zone, Section 2.
Planner (Williams) stated that the applicant has enclosed a second story
balcony (to create a living area) in the Riveria Gardens condominiums
without a building permit and without a home owners letter of approval .
A. Robbins, 365 Via Escuela, the applicant, stated that he was a Lt.
Colonel , that the open patio was unbearably hot, that after a closure,
tinting of windows and placement of blinds, the area is now comfortable.
He circulated pictures showing exterior and interior views, and stated
that other homeowners feel that the enclosure is an improvement and that
no one from the AAC had gone to see the revisions. He stated that the
changes do not show on the street and that the planner stated that he
does not have homeowners approval . (Chairman stated that the City does
not have homeowners approval . ) He stated that he requested homeowners
approval but was not approved or disapproved because the homeowners
association feels it is not within itsjurisdiction and not within its
regulations as a violation of the law. He stated that the patio below
is enclosed and that 15 other patios in the complex have also been
enclosed or roofed without permits from the City or homeowners
association because neither body has any jurisdiction over the patios
belonging to the homeowners association. He stated that in one unit
sliding glass doors were requested and questioned wheither or not they
were approved.
Planner stated that staff had an application to enclose an identical
frontage on Via Escuela which was approved by the Commission in 1984,
but the glass enclosure was never constructed and noted that this
enclosure did not conform to the approved plan.
Planner stated that there are no records showing any other approval by
the City except for the glass door enclosure.
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CASE 3.0017 (MINOR) (Continued) .
Chairman noted that if the enclosures are illegal , the City does not
know about them.
A. Robbins stated that since another applicant was approved, he has the
right to enclose his balcony as well .
Commissioner Kaptur stated that since it is the intent of the Commission
to keep architectural integrity in condominiums and the applicant feels
that his is superior in appearance , and (if approved by the
Commission) , the other condominium owners should be required to make a
change as well . He stated that the Commission cannot tolerate
individuals changing the architecture at their whims. Chairman agreed
with Commissioner Kaptur. Commissioner Lapham stated that there is no
building permit, no homeowners approval , and that the revision should be
denied and abated.
A. Robins questioned Commission's denial of this revision when sliding
glass doors were approved by the Commission.
Chairman explained that the other approval is not relevant to the issue.
A. Robins disagreed with Chairman and stated that he would make a formal
complaint that 15 other units have illegal enclosures and that nothing
has been done about the it.
M/S/C (Curtis/Apfelbaum) denying the application for the balcony
enclosure.
PUBLIC HEARINGS(Continued)
CASE 5.0400-ZTA. Initiation by the City of Palm Springs of revisions to the
Zoning Ordinance (all sections) .
Planning Director explained staff' s recommendation on the procedures on
reviewing the revisions to the zoning text. He stated that there would
be review of the amendments at the Planning Commission study session
April 16 and explained that the entire ordinance is being addressed. He
stated interested parties will probably not review the amendments until
it is time to adopt them.
Chairman declared the hearing open; there being no appearances the
hearing was closed.
M/S/C (Curti s/Apfelbaum) ordering the preparation of a Draft Negative
Declaration and continuing the Zoning Text Amendment to May 14.
Tribal Council comments: See atticfMnt ' A".
PUBLIC COMMENTS - None.
April 9, 1986 PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES Page 17
ADMINISTRATIVE NOTE
Commissioner Kaptur requested the consideration of some type of vehicle
to be signed by condominium owners that no exterior changes on approved
projects can be made.
Assistant City Attorney stated that that type of restriction should be
placed in the CC & R's.
Commissioner Ealy stated that CC & R' s state that the homeowners must
have approval by the architectural committee of the homeowners
association and that the terminology "in addition receive Planning
Commission approval" should be added.
Discussion followed. Planning Director stated that perhaps the
provision should be included in the Zoning Ordinance. Assistant City
Attorney stated that approval by the homeowners association is not
approval by the City, and that the action is between the homeowners and
the association only and the City action is solely independent.
Commissioner Lapham stated that the applicant at the Riveria Gardens
enclosed a patio without a building permit which is in violation and
that the AAC and the Planning Commission did not approve what he had
done. He stated that the subject case is different. Assistant City
Attorney stated that it is irrelevant whether or not A. Robins received
approval from the homeowners association and is of no concern to the
Commission.
Commissioner Lapham stated that homeowners approval is desirable for
harmony. Assistant City Attorney reiterated that homeowners approval
has nothing to do with the Planning Commission.
Discussion continued on language to eliminate exterior changes to condo-
miniums. Commissioner Kaptur stated that most condo owners have not
read the fine print in the CC & R's and do not realize that changes
cannot be made. He stated that the condition must be presented more
strongly. Commissioner Ealy stated that in the CC & R's there is
usually one section stating that to obtain architectural approval for
revisions, approval by the homeowners associate must be given, and that
the provision should probably include approval by the City as well .
Assistant City Attorney stated that the deed restriction for approval of
alterations exists because of the Zoning Ordinance.
Commissioner Lapham stated that the condo owner would be on notice if
the provision were included in the CC & R' s.
ARCHITECTURAL APPROVAL ITEMS (Continued)
Approval of architectural cases is valid for two years. The approval granted
must be exercised within that time period unless extended.
�..� CASE 3.0014 (MINOR). Application by CRAMER PAINTING INC. for architectural
approval of repaint of Texaco Station on northeast corner of Vista
Chino/Sunrise Way, C-1 Zone, Section 1.
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ARCHITECTURAL APPROVAL ITEMS (Continued)
CASE 3.0014 (MINOR). (Continued)
Planner (Vankeeken) presented the proposed paint colors and stated that
a sign program will be submitted.
M/S/C (Neel/Lapham) approving colors of the repaint as submitted.
CASE 3.0005. Application by RICHARD LAWRENCE for architectural approval of
bed and breakfast facility at 175 E. E1 Alameda, R-3 Zone, Section 10.
Planner (Patenaude) explained the Mediterrean-style remodel and stated
that a CUP will be required for the revised wall which is in the future
right-of-way.
M/S/C (Lapham/Kaptur) approving the application subject to the following
conditions:
1. That all recommendations of the Development Committee be met.
2. That detailed final landscaping, exterior lighting and irrigation
plans be submitted.
3. That a CUP be submitted for the wall which is located within the
survey right-of-way.
MISCELLANEOUS ITEMS
COMMISSION, REPORTS AND DISCUSSION
- Commissioner Apfelbaum' s Election to the City Council . Commissioner
Apfelbaum thanked Commission and staff for their guidance and interest
during her three year tenure. She stated that she had one suggestion
for consideration by the Commission and staff - that of preparation of a
brochure and pictures depicting the type of architecture that the
Commission prefers as an aid for out-of-the-area architects.
- Vacancies on the Commission. Chairman reminded staff that in addition
to the seat vacated by Commissioner Apfelbaum, Chairman's seat would be
vacated in June.
- Resident Survey. Planning Director requested input from the Commission
by Friday, April 11 on the resident survey which is the forerunner of
review of the General Plan goals. He requested that the answers be "yes
or no' s" because of computerization.
- City Special Census. Commissioner Lapham commented that he and many of
his neighbors were missed in the survey. Planning Director stated that
he would mention the fact to Economic Development Division.
April 9, 1986 PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES Page 19
MISCELLANEOUS ITEMS
COUNCIL ACTIONS. Planning Commission update of City Council actions.
TTM 21407 - NAHODIL. Map denied by the Council per Planning Commission
recommendation.
ADJOURNMENT
There being no further business to discuss, Chairman adjourned the meet-
ing at 5:20 p.m.
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PLANNING DIRECTOR
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Memorandum
Page 2
April 8 , 1986
\Tribal
ew of the impacts and concerns noted above,
Council respectfully requested that this
ntinued to the City Planning Commission' s
arly scheduled meeting for purposes of pro-
itional time to obtain and review the site
, iminary grading plan and the mitigation
measures propos in staff report dated April 9 , 1986 .
F ITEM No. 3 . CASE 5 . 0400-ZTA. Initiation by the City of Palm
Springs of revi ions to the Zoning Ordinance (all
sections) .
(Env' ental Assessment; tentative approval. )
It was noted that this case will be continued to the City Planning
Commission' s meeting of May 14, 1986 ..
The Tribal Council will submit recommendations on the proposed
Zoning Ordinance Amendments after receipt of further comments and
recommendations from- an Planning Commission and Tribal
Planning_EeCTant.
ITEM No. 10. CASE 3.997 & TPM 2149 Application by B.J. CRAWF.ORD
for approval of a 3-s ory condominium complex and
�.. tentative parcel map (consolidation of three lots
into one) on E1 .Se ndo between Ramon Road/Saturnino
Road, R-4 Zone I.L. ) , Section 14 .
The Tribal Council noted that copies of the Site Plan and tentative
parcel map were not included in the packet received from the
Planning Department.
In order to have adequate time for the Indian Planning Commission
and Tribal Planning Consultant to review this proposed. project,
the Tribal Council respectfully requested that this Case be continued
to the City Planning Commission's next regularly scheduled meeting.
e Tribal Council has noted all other uses and matters on the
Ci Planning Commission agenda of April 9 , 1986 since such
matt s do not materially affect Indian trust-lands.
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PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES
Council Chamber, City Hall
April 23, 1986
1:30 p.m.
ROLL CALL F-Y 1985 - 1986
Present Present Excused Absences
Planning Commission This Meeting to Date to date
Paul Madsen, Chairman X 18 0
Hugh Curtis X 18 0
Hugh Kaptur X 16 2
Larry Lapham X 18 0
Curt Ealy X 13 0
Earl Neel X 9 0
Staff Present
Marvin D. Roos, Planning Director
Siegfried Siefkes, Assistant City Attorney
Carol Vankeeken, Planner
Richard Patenaude, Planner
Douglas Evans, Planner
Robert Green, Planner
Diana Ericksen, Community Development Coordinator
Monica Tuchscher, Planning Technician
Tom Lynch, Economic Development & Housing Director
Mary E. Lawler, Recording Secretary
Architectural Advisory Committee - April 21, 1986
Chris Mills Substitutes: Mike Buccino
Earl Neel Larry Lapham
Curt Ealy
Chairman called the meeting to order at 1:30 p.m.
M/S/C (Curtis/Neel ) approving minutes of April 9, 1986 as submitted.