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PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES
Council Chamber, City Hall
June 27, 1984
1:30 p.m.
ROLL CALL F-Y 1983 - 1.984
Present Present Excused Absences
Planning Commission This Meeting to Date to date
Richard Service, Chairman X 20 3
Hugh Curtis X 21 2
Hugh Kaptur - 19 4
Peter Koetting - 20 3
Don Lawrence X 22 1
Paul Madsen X 21. 2
Sharon Apf elbaum - 21 2
Staff Present
Marvin D. Roos, Planning Director
Siegfried Siefkes, Assistant City Attorney
George Parmenter, Traffic Engineer
Douglas R. Evans, Planner III
Margo Williams, Planner II
Robert Green, Planner III
Richard Patenaude , Planner II
John Terell , Redevelopment Planner
Dave Forcucci, Zoning Enforcement Officer II
Mary E. Lawler, Recording Secretary
` Architectural Advisory Committee Present - June 25, 1984
James Cioffi, Chairman
Earl Neel
Chris Mills
William Johnson
Michael Buccino
Hugh Curtis
Absent: Sharon Apfelbaum
Chairman called the meeting to order at 1:30 p.m.
M/S/C (Curtis/Madsen) approving minutes of the June 13, 1984, meeting with the
following corrections:
Page 5, last paragraph, line 22 should read as follows: result that
cannot be attained straightforwardly."
Page 19, last line: Delete "Vice-".
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CONSENT ACTION AGENDA
M/S/C (Madsen/Curtis; Apfelbaum, Koetting, Kaptur, absent) taking the
following actions:
CASE 3.300. Application by PRIDE LANDSCAPE for Vilisa Associates for
architectural approval of landscape plans for industrial/commercial
building on Montalvo Way between Tachevah Drive/Chia Road in Fairport
Industrial Park, M-1-P Zone, Section 7.
Restudy.
CASE 3.707. Application by HOLDEN & JOHNSON for D. Knutson for architectural
approval of a tennis court on a single-family residential lot at 844
Mission Road between Hermosa Avenue/Mountain View Place, R-1-A Zone,
Section 10.
Approved subject to the following condition: That all recommendations
of the Development Committee be met.
CASE 5.737-CUP. Application by M. BUCCINO for K. IRWIN for architectural
approval of revised landscape plans for a 75-unit apartment development
on Avenida Caballeros between Amado Road/Alejo Road, R-G-A-(8) Zone,
Section 14.
Continued for a site visit to determine the effect on the architecture
of removal of the trees.
CASE 3.709. Application by MCKINNEY/BGW, INC. for architectural approval of
remodel of commercial building located at northwest corner of South Palm
Canyon Drive and Arenas Road, C-B-D Zone, Section 15.
Approved subject to the following conditions:
1. That a horizontal metal panel be used on the fascia (details to be
submitted to AAC for approval) .
2. That the building be a sand color (details to be submitted for
staff approval).
3. That the awning to Arenas Drive be revised to match that on the
Palm Canyon elevation. Details to be submitted and approved by
Planning Commission. Encroachment into R.O.W. will require City
Council approval .
4. That landscaping be added to existing planters (details to be sub-
mitted for staff approval ) .
Abstention: Service.
PUBLIC HEARINGS
CASE 5.0281-ZTA-(Continued) . Initiation by the CITY OF PALM SPRINGS for an
amendment to the Sign Ordinance and its inclusion in the Zoning
Ordinance.
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CASE 5.0281-ZTA (Continued) .
(Commission response to written comments on draft Negative Declaration,
action for filing and final approval . Written comments received from
P.S. Board of Realtors, Merchants and Citizen Association, Sign Task
Force members, and the public. )
Planning Director explained that the revisions recommended at the June
13 meeting had been compiled by staff in a memo distributed to the
Commission, that there were some minor changes by the City Attorney's
Office; and that the Merchants and Citizens Association had requested
continuance (by letter on file in the Planning Division) to develop an
Ordinance acceptable to everyone. He stated that the City Attorneys had
both reviewed the document and no significant changes should be forth-
coming. He discussed a memo dated 6-18-84 (on file in the Planning
Division) regarding changes and stated that approximately 49 non-
conforming signs will be created by lowering the height limit of free-
standing signs to 8 feet, and that the wording on the amortization
schedule would revert to the original ordinance wording pursuant to
State law. Regarding reader board signage, he stated that any wording
that would constitute a sign that would not otherwise be allowed, would
not be allowed on a reader board; and that he felt that the case should
not be continued at the request of the Merchants and Citizens Associa-
tion because the Sign Ordinance will be reviewed by the Council which
will be made aware of the Association's concerns. He stated that State
legislation states that the amortization of signs could only be done if
the jurisdiction that was abating the sign paid for it unless there was
an amortization schedule in effect in the community, and City Attorney
feels that changing the amortization schedule wording might affect the
City's ability to amortize signs.
In response to Chairman's question, Planning Director stated that the
degree of "restricted access" to a condominium complex was not specific-
ally stated, but that projects with the appearance of being restricted
or ones that are actually restricted by a physical barrier or other
mechanical device would be included. He stated that staff will
recommend to the Council that the restricted access/open house sign
portion of the Ordinance be deleted altogether.
Commissioner Lawrence stated that staff's definition of "restricted
access" was not what he had understood at the June 13 meeting, and that
he felt that the ordinance should not be sent to Council unless
"restricted access" were clearly defined.
Planning Director stated that the issue is not that the Commission would
not make the decision but that staff will recommend to the Council that
this section be deleted and if the Commission wishes to make it
specific, a physical barrier can be the factor determining "restricted".
He stated that staff recommends that the extra open house sign on the
outside of the condominium not be allowed.
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PUBLIC HEARINGS
CASE 5.0281.-ZTA-(Continued) .
Discussion followed on the definition of "restricted access".
Commissioner Lawrence stated that with no physical barrier, judgment
would be left to Zoning Enforcement Officers on whether or not a project
is allowed a sign. Further discussion followed. Some Commissioners
felt that the appearance of being restricted is a viable reason for
allowing a sign.
Chairman commented that the staff definition tried to satisfy
Commissioner Madsen's definition of "appearance of being restricted",
but is actually stating that there had to be an actual physical barrier.
Discussion continued. Chairman suggested that the term "restricted
access - residential complex" be used and that "condominium" and
"Planned Development District" be deleted. He stated that the issue
will be decided by the Council in any event. Commissioner Lawrence
noted that an error was made in adding the term "restricted access"
since it is totally unenforceable. Chairman stated that it was unfair
to other property owners in the City for only one segment of the
populace to be allowed signing and that it is unenforceable and shows
favoritism. Discussion followed. Commissioner Madsen stated that
people living behind walls do not have the advantage of home buyers
seeing their property. Chairman questioned whether or not a mobile home
park behind a wall would be able to have a sign at the entrance.
Discussion followed.
Chairman declared the hearing open.
R. Rothman, real estate broker and member of the Sign Task Force, stated
that in a previous meeting the Planning Commission voted 5-1 to retain
the clause on signs on condominium complexes and deleted the clause in
the meeting of June 13 which caused concern among the Board of Realtors.
He stated that the realtors interpreted "restricted access" as a
physical restriction. He presented a letter from R. Fey, President of
the Board of Realtors, who requested that signs not be restricted to
"gate" guarded condos only since denying the sign is discriminatory and
would cause proliferation of signs. Mr. Rothman stated that the
reference in the letter to "single-multi-family project" means single-
family condominiums in a condominium complex.
Discussion followed on real estate terminology. Chairman stated that
the confusion in terminology is caused by the real estate industry uses
of terms that are defined differently by planners and the Planning
Commission. Mr. Rothman stated that real estate terms are those used by
the Department of Real Estate.
R. Flavin, Vice-President of the Board of Realtors, requested that the
wording of two weeks ago be retained. He stated that signing could be
allowed on leased projects because each person owns a portion of the
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PUBLIC HEARINGS
CASE 5.0281-ZTA-(Continued).
leasehold interest, and that multi-family complexes require signing
because most prospective buyers will not enter a gate. Discussion
followed on the signing for multi-family complexes. Planning Director
stated that the proposed Ordinance provides for one sign either at the
entry or at the unit.
T. Broich, President of the Merchants and Citizens Association,
requested that the case be continued for the Association to meet with
the Sign Users Council to develop an easily understood Ordinance and
that he did not have a copy of the most recent revision. He stated that
the Association had just recently become interested in the Sign
Ordinance and that the Sign Ordinance Task Force Convener also signed
the letter requesting continuance because the additional changes that
were made by staff require review. He stated that self-regulation means
that the Ordinance states exactly what is required for a sign, and that
the attorney for the Sign Users Council agrees with the interpretation.
He noted that the Ordinance is not enforceable, and that the City has
lost court cases regarding signage.
Commissioner Curtis stated that the proposed Ordinance reflects the Sign
Task Force's ideas and that the Sign Ordinance should be finalized. He
stated that he was not ready to send it Council for different reasons
from the Association.
Mr. Rothman commented that the Task Force debated the term "self-
regulating" but never came to a conclusion; that it is difficult to
develop an ordinance which has requirements for every contingency. He
stated that the many segments of the community had been represented or
had a member on the Task Force developing the ordinance except the
Merchants and Citizens Association. He stated that the term "self-
regulating" came from a lawyer during the Sign Ordinance review.
Commissioner Lawrence stated that several issues were unresolved by the
Task Force and the Association represents the minority.
There being no further appearances, Chairman closed the hearing.
Discussion ensued on "restricted access" terminology. Chairman
suggested that the issue be separated from the body of the Sign
Ordinance for expedition or that the Council be apprised in a Planning
Commission resolution that the issue is unresolved.
M/S (Lawrence/Curtis; Apfelbaum/Koetting/Kaptur, absent) continuing the
item to July 25.
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PUBLIC HEARINGS
CASE 5.0281-ZTA-(Continued) .
The vote was as follows:
AYES: Lawrence
NOES: Curtis/Madsen/Service
ABSENT: Apfelbaum/Koetting/Kaptur
The motion failed.
Commissioner Lawrence stated that he made the motion because the Sign
Ordinance will affect the City for many years, continuance for more
input would be valid, and also because three Commissioners were absent.
He stated that if the Merchants and Citizens Association did not provide
input one week prior to the July 25th meeting, he would vote to approve
the proposed ordinance.
Chairman stated that there should be a purpose for continuing the case,
that there are not many outstanding issues, that the issues could be
resolved at the meeting, and that he did not support the Association's
request for continuance since it did not serve the public interest.
Commissioner Lawrence stated that the Ordinance could be continued to
September if necessary, that the continuance would not affect anyone,
and that good will will be lost if the Sign Ordinance is passed in its
current state.
Commissioner Curtis stated that he did not agree with Commissioner
Lawrence, and that his reason for continuance was for resolution of
1.7.3(g) regarding "restricted access".
Commissioner Madsen stated that it would be difficult to develop an
ordinance which would be acceptable to everyone, and that although the
Association has criticized the Commission, nothing specific has come
from the members. He stated that he would not support a continuance.
Chairman stated that matters of public concern have been reviewed by the
Commission, and that a self-regulating ordinance is not valid.
Commissioner Lawrence stated that he might not vote for the proposed
Merchants and Citizens Association ordinance, but that it should be
reviewed.
Commissioner Madsen stated that the Association will have input on the
Ordinance at the City Council level, and that ordinances can be changed.
M/Madsen to remove 17.3(g) from the motion was approved by the Chairman.
M/S/C (Madsen/Curtis; Apfelbaum, Koetting, Kaptur, absent; Lawrence
dissented) ordering the filing of a negative declaration and approving
the Sign Ordinance (with the exception of 17.3.g) including the final
comments and review of the City Attorney and staff.
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PUBLIC HEARINGS
CASE 5.0281-ZTA-(Continued) .
M/S/C (Madsen/Curtis; Apfelbaum, Koetting, Kaptur, absent; Lawrence,
dissented) that the definition of "restricted access" is access by a
physical barrier or the appearance of restriction of pedestrian and
vehicular traffic.
Commissioner Lawrence stated that he did not understand the motion, and
that it was not enforceable.
Commissioner Madsen stated that the Zoning Enforcement Officer reviews
the access as any other person would.
M/S/C (Madsen/Curtis; Apfelbaum, Koetting, Kaptur, absent; Lawrence,
dissented) to table review of 17.3.g to the end of the meeting.
Chairman stated that the public hearing on the Sign Ordinance was
closed.
Note: At the end of the meeting, because of the lateness of the hour,
Chairman continued portion 17.3.g to the July 11th meeting.
CASE 5.0285-CUP. Application by G. MARANTZ for a CUP to allow a recreational
vehicle park on the extension of Mesquite Avenue between Belardo
Road/Mesquite Avenue, O-ZO (I.L. ) , Section 22.
(Environmental assessment & tentative approval . )
Recommendation: That the Planning Commission deny Case 5.0285-CUP.
Planner III presented a staff report and stated that the key issue is
whether or not the Commission approves of the land use. He stated that
correspondence had been received from Ruth Adams, 393 West Mesquite,
opposing the project because the land characteristics are not comple-
mented by the use, that an earthquake could be disastrous, that traffic
would be increased on Mesquite, that fire and emergency access will be
difficult and that the project does not add to the permanent population
of the community.
He stated that the issues are the land use and site deficiencies.
Chairman commented that there need not be an environmental assessment
unless the project were approved.
Planner III stated that the zoning on the park is 0-20 and most of the
site is hillside.
Chairman declared the hearing open.
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PUBLIC HEARINGS
CASE 5.0285-CUP.
W. McKenzie, 5435 Balboa Blvd. , Encino, California, Engineer for the
project, stated that the land use proposed is less intense than the uses
allowed under existing zoning and is the only viable use. He stated
that there are inaccuracies in the staff report, i.e., 30 acres of which
6 are on a flat portion of the property, that cut material will be
filled on the property to create a 6% slope, and that the extension of
Mesquite should be constructed easterly of the McGlamary single-family
residence, that except for the road there would be no cuts onsite and
that there would be substantial fill on site.
Planner III stated, in reply to Chairman's question, that the current
General Plan designation is Residential High 43.
In reply to Commission question, Mr. McKenzie stated that the site is
not visible except from the air, and that the residents of Park View
Mobilehome Park will be disturbed as little as possible. He stated that
there is no view from Park View to the RV park.
In reply to Commission question, he stated that he did not understand
the AAC's view that the site plan was not sympathetic since because of
City requirements there is not much flexibility on the site, and that he
has tried to be sympathetic.
Planner III stated that the City does not have the ability of turning
the General Plan street north at a point east of the McGlamary house and
that the site that the street is trying to reach is landlocked if the
project is approved. He stated that if the street turned the way the
applicant proposes, the City would be required to purchase land, and
that if the street were west of the McGlamary house it would reach City
owned property, which is a preferable solution.
Discussion followed on the extension of the street as the applicant
proposed.
G. Marantz, the applicant, stated that the land will revert to the
Indians if not developed, that his understanding is that the use is
acceptable, that Mrs. McGlamary does not want Mesquite to run behind her
home, and that she also owns the property to the east of her home. He
stated that the General Plan shows Mesquite turning at the applicant's
proposed location, that he would not have services available to people
coming out of the canyon, and that the project would have security.
Planning Director stated that staff did not have documents on anything
but the odd shaped 6 acre parcel . Mr. Marantz stated that it was
submitted several months ago and that the Council minutes show that if
the project were approved he would not have to follow the new standard
for R.V. park size, that the Indian landowner has stated he would lease
the mountain to Mr. Marantz and that the 22 acres would be deeded to
,�, the City (30 acres documented and 6 acres developable) .
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PUBLIC HEARINGS
CASE 5.0285-CUP. (Continued)
Planning Director stated that the site had been graded previously and
had some damage and it was felt that if the applicant submitted a- high
quality project, staff would support it. He stated that the subject
property does not meet the RV park standards and that the applicant has
been told that the concept of concrete and oleanders would not be
acceptable. He noted that the highest and best use would be a project
in the low-density residential range such as garden apartments, and that
there is not adequate access for a high density project. He stated that
high density wouldn't be feasible until Park View redevelops, which is
40 years. He noted that the pads on the proposed project are 20 feet
above the mobile sites in Parkview at the worst case and the view would
be of dirt and retaining walls.
S. Coos, of Scenic Drive, Park View, stated that he agreed with staff
findings, and spoke for the owners of Park View who also oppose the
project.
Mrs. Sam Hill, 1729 Scenic Drive, Park View, stated that because of the
sheer rock face there is flooding in Park View and questioned whether or
not studies have been made of the situation. She stated that RV parks
create transients, that the use is not compatible with the neighbors,
that it is in close proximity to another park.
Mrs. Charlotte Graham, Park View resident, asked if the two-lane street
between Happy Traveler and Park View would be widened since the traffic
moves very fast along the street.
Chairman explained that the property owner is responsible for
constructing the remaining half of the roadway when his property
develops.
Mrs. Graham stated that access would have to be on the RV portion of the
street during construction and there could be a fire emergency hazard.
She questioned access by Park View residents during construction.
W. McKenzie (rebuttal) stated that hydrology improvements on the site,
direct water to the watercourse which carries a sufficient flow, and
that West Mesquite will be improved east of the McGlamary house to the
entrance of the subject project's private street.
There being no further appearances, the hearing was closed.
Chairman stated that the issue is if the land use is appropriate and if
it is the project should be remanded to staff for review for it to
conform to City standards. He stated that staff feels that it is not an
appropriate use and should be denied.
Planning Director stated that a PD will assure that the project conforms
to City standards but that a General Plan Street Plan Amendment would be
necessary for a specific plan to be developed for Mesquite in the area.
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PUBLIC HEARINGS
CASE 5.0285-CUP. (Continued)
Commissioner Curtis stated that he disagreed with staff that it is a
hillside property, that he did not know which use would be the best that
the use is intense and insensitive and not acceptable in its present
condition, but the use is not totally out of context with the other uses
in the area. He stated that there are some conditions in the staff
report that are accurate and should be met.
Chairman stated that the area is one of the few areas accommodating RV's
but should not be expanded because of contributing to trespassing in the
canyons. He stated that he could understand the next door neighbor's
concerns but that a hotel would have similar problems, that the issue of
placing the RV park adjacent to Park View was omitted, and the use may
endanger the Tahquitz Recreation Area Plan. He stated that extension of
the adjacent use would be more compatible, and that the highest and best
use could not be developed for 40 years.
Commissioner Curtis stated that he was not ready to support the applica-
tion because it does not meet General Plan or zoning requirements.
Commissioner Lawrence stated that sensitivity was important as well as
the public health, safety and welfare; and the particular use is not
appealing but that a PD may be possible if the applicant can meet the
requirements.
M/S/C (Curtis/Lawrence; Madsen abstained; Apfelbaum, Koetting, Kaptur,
absent) denying Case 5.0285-CUP.
Mr. McKenzie informed staff that the applicant will appeal the action.
TRIBAL COUNCIL COMMENTS
"City Staff Report dated June 27, 1984 noted that ' Insufficient detail
has been submitted to fully assess the proposal ' . While it appears that
the site could be developed so that the proposed use would be consistent
with the Land Use and Conservation Elements of the General Plan
(Residential -Hotel 431 Apartment 21, and Hillside) , and compatible with
area development, the Indian Planning Commission and Tribal Planning
Consultant concurred with Staff's notation based on the review of
material received from the Planning Director, i.e. , Staff Report,
Environmental Assessment/Initial Study and Development Committee
Minutes.
After consideration of the recommendations of the Indian Planning
Commission, the Tribal Council recommended that the case be continued
for purposes of the applicant providing City Staff with the appropriate
information and detail that would address the environmental issues that
have been raised, including mitigation, and that would show compliance
and/or intent to comply with the requirements and conditions set forth
in Development Committee Minutes dated May 25, 1984."
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PUBLIC HEARINGS
CASE 5.0320-CUP. Application by H & G SMITH for a CUP for a restaurant in
Rimrock Plaza Shopping Center on East Palm Canyon Drive between Gene
Autry Trail/Dunn Road, C-D-N Zone, Section 30.
(An environmental assessment was previously prepared in conjunction with
Case 5.0090-CUP. )
Recommendation: That the Planning Commission approve the application
subject to conditions.
Planner III presented the staff report, and stated that if the project
is approved, future building on the site will be reduced or additional
parking added so there will be no parking deficiency.
Chairman declared the hearing open.
L. Smith, owner of Rimrock Plaza Shopping Center, requested that condi-
tion #3 in the staff report be deleted since there is an existing trash
enclosure close to the restaurant which is not being used.
There being no further appearances, Chairman declared the hearing
closed.
Planner III stated that staff recommends a holding area inside the
restaurant for trash (to eliminate debris) since the restaurant is not
immediately adjacent to the dumpster. He stated that wording could be
developed as a condition or in the Planning Commission resolution to
require a trash holding area for the restaurant if trash and debris
cause a problem.
Mr. Smith stated that the condition would be acceptable.
M/S/C (Lawrence/Madsen; Apfelbaum, Koetting, Kaptur, absent) approving
Case 5.0320-CUP with the following findings and subject to the following
conditions:
FINDINGS:
1. That a food service facility is properly a use for which a condi-
tional use permit is authorized by the Zoning Ordinance.
2. That the shopping center is adequate in size to accommodate the
proposed restaurant including the parking necessary to meet codes,
and the requirements of the C-D-N Zone.
3. That the use is necessary and desirable for the development of the
community; it is not materially detrimental to the health, safety
and general welfare of the community, and is consistent with the
goals and objectives of the General Plan.
4. That the circulation system adjacent to the subject property is
adequate in size in design and capacity to handle anticipated
traffic to be generated by the proposed use.
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PUBLIC HEARINGS
CASE 5.0320-CUP. (Continued)
CONDITIONS:
1. That 2200 square feet of future building area be deleted from the
Master Plan of the site or that 11 additional parking spaces be
provided on- or off-site.
2. That a complete mechanical equipment plan be submitted including
plans to adequately screen proposed equipment not enclosed or con-
cealed by the existing roof structure.
3. That an internal holding area for trash be developed within the
restaurant.
4. That detailed plans be submitted to the Fire Department and
Building Division for plan check with specific emphasis upon
occupant load, existing improvements and exiting requirements.
5. That commercial cooking equipment will require a fixed fire pro-
tection system to be installed in conformance with NFPA #96.
6. That portable fire extinguishers will be required in conformance
with the Uniform Fire Code.
7. That a grease trap will be required.
8. That Riverside County Health Department approve the layout for the
restaurant.
9. That all recommendations of the Development Committee be met.
CASE 5.0319-CUP. Application by R. WYDER for a CUP for a car rental agency as
an accessory use to the Spa Hotel on the northeast corner of Andreas
Road/Calle Encilia, C-2 and C-1-A-A Zones (I.L.) , Section 14.
(This action is categorically exempt from environmental assessment per
CEQA guidelines,.)
Recommendation: That the Commission approve Case 5.0319-CUP subject to
conditions.
Planner III presented the staff report, and stated that it is an
accessory use within the hotel with services for rental autos provided
off-site.
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PUBLIC HEARINGS
CASE 5.0319-CUP. (Continued)
Chairman stated that a recent application for another rental car agency
was denied because of neighbors' complaints, and that the City does not
have the power to determine whether or not Cities can or cannot
advertise to attract customers.
Planner III stated that it is a standard condition of the Zoning
Ordinance, although legalities will have to be referred to the City
Attorney.
Chairman stated that other hotels have businesses such as resort
clothing stores which advertise and questioned whether the advertising
is legal .
Planner III stated that the intent was to limit the scale of the
operation but the condition is difficult to administer.
Assistant City Attorney stated that a car rental as a accessory use is a
service provided by the hotel for its guests, is more like a concession
which operates in the hotel , and advertising to the general public is
enforceable. He stated that he felt that advertising to the public can
be prohibited (and upheld) if the use is an accessory use to the hotel .
Commissioner Madsen stated that another rental car agency was not
permitted to advertise its location, but the rental agency transported
potential car rental customers. Chairman agreed and stated that
business is conducted over the phone and the agency answers in the name
of the hotel .
Chairman stated that accessory uses in hotels are not allowed outside
signage, and that public advertising can be prohibited according to the
City Attorney.
Chairman declared the hearing open.
R. Wyder, 3131 North Indian Avenue, the applicant stated he was present
to answer questions. In reply to Chairman's question, he stated that
the way that the staff report reads is the way he views advertising
regulation but that renting cars to hotel guests only would be extremely
limiting. He stated that Commissioner Madsen had mentioned that using a
phone number and transporting those who want to rent cars might be a way
that would be acceptable. He stated that service for cars is performed
by outside facilities.
There being no further appearances the hearing was closed.
Planning Director stated in reply to Commission question that the Zoning
Ordinance has restrictions against public advertising for hotel
accessory businesses. He stated that there had been no complaints about
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PUBLIC HEARINGS
CASE 5.0319-CUP. (Continued)
the one agency operating from a hotel in town, and that the applicant
and he have met about the site as an i nterim onebefore he finds a suitable
site not requiring a CUP.
M/S/C (Curtis/Madsen; Kaptur/Koetting/Apfelbaum absent) approving the
application with the following findings and subject to the following
conditions.
FINDINGS
1. That the car rental agency (as an accessory use to the Spa Hotel )
is authorized by a conditional use permit under the Zoninq
Ordinance.
2. That the use is desirable for the development of the community
since it enhances the tourist function of the City. It is also in
harmony with the various objectives of the General Plan, and is
not detrimental to existing uses, or to uses specifically
permitted in the zone.
3. That the parking lot is improved in accordance with the
requirements of the Zoning Ordinance.
4. That the sites relate to streets and highways properly designed
and improved to carry the type and quantity of traffic generated
by the proposed use.
5. That ancillary commercial uses do not exceed 20% of the gross
floor area of the hotel (an ordinance requirement) .
CONDITIONS
1. That there shall be no advertising which would imply that vehicles
may be leased or rented by those other than quests of the subject
hotel .
2. That no more than nine rental cars shall be stored at the site.
3. That total commercial accessory uses allowed within the hotel
shall not occupy more than twenty percent of the gross floor area
of the hotel building.
4. That there shall be an annual review of the sites by the Planning
Division prior to renewal of the business license.
5. That there shall be no repairing or servicing of vehicles at the
hotel site.
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PUBLIC HEARINGS
CASE 5.0319-CUP. (Continued)
6. That there shall be an annual review of the site by the Department
of Planning and Development prior to renewal of the business
license.
7. That the facilities to be used to service and wash vehicles be
reviewed and approved by staff prior to final implementation of
the C.U.P.
TRIBAL COUNCIL COMMENTS
After consideration of the recommendations of the Indian Planning
Commission, the Tribal Council took the following actions:
1. For the record, it was noted that the site occupied by the Spa
Hotel is tribal property and lessor, the Tribe may receive
financial benefit from the car rental agency.
2. Concurred with the findings and recommendations set forth in City
Staff Report dated June 27, 1984.
3. Approved the granting of the Conditional Use Permit subject to the
conditions recommended by staff.
CASE 5.0294-PD-151. Application by C. MILLS for S. Broxmeyer for a PD to
allow a recreational vehicle park and apartment complex on North Palm
Canyon Drive between Gateway Drive/Tramview Road (extension) , R-1-C
Zone, Section 34.
(Environmental assessment; tentative approval .)
Recommendation: That the Commission continue the application to July11
for further review.
Planning Director stated that the Indian Planning Commission commented
that the location is below the Highway and will be highly visible from
the street.
Planner III presented the staff report and stated that there is an issue
of awareness because the size of the project impacts Highway Ill and the
Fringe-toed Lizard habitat. He stated that Caltrans concerns can be
addressed in the conditions of approval, and that there is proper
mitigation for the Fringe-toed Lizard habitat developed through CVAG and
the Nature Conservancy. He stated that the mitigation will be reviewed
at the Council level , that the sewerage requirement would be the
equivalent of a mobilehome park because of the use of the restrooms and
the laundry facilities, that there was incomplete information regarding
the projected traffic increase, and that there is a deficiency in
setback requirements of approximately 50 feet using R-2 standards, but
that a landscape buffer provides a visual break. In reply to Commission
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PUBLIC HEARINGS
CASE 5.0294-PD-151. (Continued)
question, he stated that the initial view would be hardscape until
landscaping matures. He stated also that the project can be seen from
the Chino Cone, explained that 90 % is open space with 30% of each pad
landscaped and that the stay will be longer than one night (the
Ordinance allows up to six months) .
Chairman stated that the community is fortunate to have an application
of the quality of the project but the location at the entrance of the
City is unfortunate. He stated that he could not support it in its
present location. Planner III stated that the AAC discussed moving the
apartment structure to the front of the property as a visual barrier.
Chairman declared the hearing open.
C. Mills, 278-C North Palm Canyon, the architect, stated that the
project was developed before the RV Ordinance and the problems with the
Ordinance were not intentional . He stated that moving the apartments to
the frontage was considered, but it would not be desirable for the RV' s
to provide the buffer between the project and the existing single-family
residences, that a hardline effect has been avoided by landscaping and
there is a possibility of moving the Whitewater Irrigation District
Reservoir toward the front which would enhance the project. He stated
�.. that the park would be of high quality with long term leases and asked
that the requirement for centerline reduction of 50 feet be deleted. He
requested a roll curb and flexibility on the 617 space density since the
applicant feels that an RV unit does not generate the amount of sewerage
as a single-family complex. He also requested exemption from the R-2
standards for a 150 foot setback to allow building of more affordable
apartments since there is a dense landscape buffer. He requested
exemption from the cul-de-sac requirement as not appropriate in the area
and requested that grading be allowed during the windy season subject to
the mitigative measures proposed by staff. He stated that if the
project were single-family and built to R-1-C standards, the setbacks
and overall landscaping would be far less, and that there is a forest-type
windbreak.
Reverend Rollins, 303 Avenida Circle and minister of the First Baptist
Church, requested approval since the neighborhood needs affordable
apartments for young people.
C. Dauphine, 879 Gateway Drive, Realtor and former City Commissioner,
stated that although there is view obstruction and some traffic
problems, the project is viable. He stated that affordable housing is
needed for moderate income families.
Mrs. K. Heinrich, realtor and developer, stated that although the park
is well planned, it is impossible to have dense landscaping because of
recreation vehicles being towed by the RV's, that RV parks are basically
all concrete, that there is doubt whether or not this type of park is
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PUBLIC HEARINGS
CASE 5.0294-PD-151. (Continued)
needed, and that the park should not be built at the entrance to the
City. She stated that she is developing property adjacent to the
proposed park as a hotel-golf course-condominium-spa resort and that
hotel guests would be viewing the RV park which is not desirable. She
stated that the hotel project would be a better entry to the City and
would enhance the image of Palm Springs. She noted that other areas are
better suited to an RV park and that a well planned RV park was
developed in Indio and not leased for 4 ,years because the owner wanted
to upgrade for long-term leasing.
C. Mills (rebuttal) stated that the forest referred to is the wind
break system portion only, that RV tourists should be treated as well as
the buyers of the adjacent condominium project, that the project
proposed by Mrs. Heinrich will be required to have a wind break which
will help shield the RV park, and that there is no view from the
Heinrich project toward the RV park. He stated that the RV project
should not affect the Heinrich project, that the RV park is of high
quality and that the project is a good one and helps to fulfill City
housing needs.
There being no further appearances, the hearing was closed.
M/S/C (Madsen/Curtis; Apfelbaum/Koetting/Kaptur absent; Lawrence
- abstained) to continue the project for further review to July 11.
TRIBAL COUNCIL COMMENTS
"While this case does not directly involve Indian trust-land, it was
noted that the project site has frontage on the main entry road to the
City (Hwy. 111) . It is highly visible since the ground elevation is
considerably lower than Hwy. 111, and is located within the corridor
where the City has expressed strong concerns with the visual impacts of
other projects, i .e. wind energy developments.
The Tribal Council strongly recommends that the Planning Commission
carefully consider the suitability of the proposed use in this location
from the standpoint of its possible adverse visual impacts."
PUBLIC COMMENTS
None.
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PUBLIC HEARINGS
CASE 5.0312-I
Application by RENEWABLE ENERGY VENTURES for a change of zone from R-R
(Rural Residential ) to W-E (Wind Energy) , north of Highway 111, south of
I-10, Section 14.
Chairman stated that the project should be continued until sphere
planning for the location is developed.
Planning Director stated that the council will be meeting on wind energy
policy at its June 27th meeting, and that the Commission previously is
approved WECS Permit No. 24 which is a portion of the Zone Change
application. He suggested if it is approved there is a caveat that if
the council delays wind energy applications, the subject applicant is
included. He stated that the council will be taking action for a
moratorium on future projects, not projects in progress, and that the
Commission felt in its original action that the subject project was
reasonably screened and not a problem.
M/S/C (Mad sen/Lawrence/Apfe1baum/Kaptur/Koetting absent) continuing the
application until a county sphere plan is developed.
CASE 5.0312-I-MISC. (Continued) . Planning Director stated that the Wind
Energy applicant wished to provide input.
�-- G. Stricker of Renewable Energy Ventures, the applicant requested
consistency with proposed City Council action that projects before the
City will be approved with future projects to be delayed until the
sphere plan is developed. And as a recommendation to the other
governing bodies.
Chairman stated that staff has advised the commission that projects
should not be reviewed on a one to one basis and should be delayed until
the county sphere plan is developed.
Mr. Stricker stated that the moratorium causes problems for the industry
and will cause alot of rushed projects. He stated that tax credits for
shelter will expire soon.
Consensus was that the previous action not be reconsidered.
ARCHITECTURAL APPROVAL ITEMS
The Planning Commission reviewed plans, discussed, and took action on
the following items involving architectural approval subject to the
conditions as outlined.
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ARCHITECTURAL APPROVAL ITEMS (Continued
CASE 3.568-(REF. CASE 3.421 - Continued) . Application by R. FLOYD for
architectural approval of landscape plans for single-family hillside
residence at 555 N. Patencio Road, R1A Zone, Section 10.
Planner III stated that the AAC feels that the palm trees are not
appropriate, and that a native species should be used such as Palo Verde
or Mesquite, which are less formal and unobtrusive to the view. He
stated that the lighting plan has been approved by the commission
previously.
J. Schlecht, attorney representing the applicant stated that his client
did not realize the City disapproved the palm trees until after they
were installed, and that the applicant would have applied to install the
trees since he feels they add to the site aesthetically and are not
objectionable. He stated that if height is a problem, the applicant
could execute a deed restriction for removal beyond a certain height
(perhaps 40 feet) .
Commissioner Curtis stated that the applicant knew from the beginning
that the trees and the light sources shining up the trunks were a
problem. He stated that the trees did not belong in their present
location and will grow much larger than 40 feet, and difficult to
remove.
Chairman stated that he wanted to reiterate concerns on the high blue
hued light level which the applicant cannot enjoy but is lighted only to
make the property visible at night. He stated that the palm tree
installation is an expensive mistake.
Mr. Schlecht questioned whether or not the prohibition of palm trees was
a policy decision.
Chairman stated that the commission approved a landscape plan which was
not followed, and that the AAC feels is inappropriate.
Commissioner Curtis stated that the AAC and the Planning Commission had
discussed the trees within the last year and site line and visual
problems were mentioned. He stated that it would be unfortunate to have
to remove the trees but they are not visually appealing and that the
second story addition is not sensitive to the hillside. He stated that
everything about the house and the trees has been a problem.
Mr. Schlecht stated that the addition had been revised by the applicant.
Planning Director stated that the original landscape plan had no palm
trees, and African Sumac and Palo Verde were commented on as part of the
plan, although the applicant may not have known about the landscape
requirement and thought that the formal entrance was satisfying.
Planner III stated that in March and April of 1983 conditions of
landscape review were approved by the commission.
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ARCHITECTURAL APPROVAL ITEMS (Continued)
CASE 3.568. (Continued)
Discussion followed on the lighting. Planner III stated that the
lighting plan could be reviewed to see if it is in the conformance
with the approved plan and that the trees in question are those on
the driveway only.
M/S/C (Madsen/Curtis; Koetting, Kaptur, Apfelbaum absent) taking the
following action:
1. Lighting. Approved previously as follows: Subject to the light
source not being visible off the property at a normal viewing
angle.
2. Landscaping. Denied the double row of palm trees along the
driveway. (A clustered native species is more appropriate to the
hillside. )
CASE 3.678 (REF. CASE 5.0128-PD-107)-(Continued for Architectural Review. The
public hearing was closed at the June 13 meeting.) Application by
DESERT ISLE ASSOCIATES for a restaurant within a previously approved
Planned Development District (PD-107) on East Palm Canyon Drive between
Barona Road/Araby Drive, R-3 Zone, Section 25.
Chairman stated that the AAC recommended the restudy. R. Johnson the
architect stated that the AAC members were divided on the design
... concept, gave no directions for restudy, and suggested that the design
be discussed with the Commission. He explained the revisions to the
project.
Chairman stated that the success of the project may be endangered by
blending it in with the Desert Isle resort although signaqe may help.
Mr. Johnson stated that a departure has been made with the building
materials. Chairman stated that it so subtle that the average person
may not detect it.
M/S/C (Lawrence/Curtis; Madsen dissented; Apfelbaum, Kaptur, Koetting
absent) approving the application subject to the revisions made on the
plans.
Note: Commissioner Madsen dissented because he felt the revisions
should be reviewed by the AAC.
CASE 3.505. Application by DESIGN HAUS ARCHITECTURAL ASSOCIATES for Palm
Canyon Associates for architectural approval of revised tile for a 180
unit condominium project on the northwest corner of East Palm Canyon
Drive/Cherokee Way, RGA-8 Zone, IL, Section 30.
M/S/C (Lawrence/Curtis; Apfelbaum, Koetting, Kaptur absent) continuing
the application till July 11, 1984, for the applicant to discuss the
restudy recommendation with the Commission.
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ARCHITECTURAL APPROVAL ITEMS (Continued)
CASE 3.702. Application by KAPTUR & CIOFFI for Peri-Mel I for architectural
approval of an 118-unit condominium project on Avenida Caballeros
between Arenas Road/Saturnino Road, R-4 Zone (I.L.) , Section 1.4.
M/S/C (Lawrence, Curtis; Apfelbaum, Kaptur, Koetting absent) approving
the application subject to the following conditions:
1. That site plan, elevations, and preliminary landscape plans are
approved as submitted.
2. That all recommendations of the Development Committee be met.
3. That the elevated tennis court area will be included in the open
space calculations because of the integration of the tennis court
space into the second floor open space network. .
CASE 3.707 (Continued). Planning Director requested that the case be
discussed since it is a new concept.
Chairman stated that the question is whether or not elevated tennis
courts with underground parking can be calculated as open space.
Planner II presented the project on the display board and stated that
tennis court fence at the AAC meeting.
there was no discussion on the en .g
Chairman requested that plants to cover the fence be reviewed when
landscape plans are submitted.
Consensus was that the previous motion still expressedthe Commissions
attitude.
RESTUDY ITEM
The following item has been recommended for restudy and will not be scheduled
for Planning Commission review until new plans have been submitted.
CASE 3.692. Application by H. LAPHAM for E. Yoder for architectural approval
of an 80-unit apartment complex on Indian Avenue between Francis
Road/Racquet Club Road, R-2 Zone, Section 2.
M/S/C (Lawrence/Curtis/Apfelbaum/Kaptur/Koetting absent) for a restudy
noting the following:
1. Revision of the site plan to provide parking in smaller peripheral
lots, relocation of structures around a central common green
space, and combination of the pool area, retention area and open
space for a usable open space.
2. Provide more overhang on the units (up to 3 feet) .
3. Introduction of screened walls, shown on the front elevations, on
the rear elevations.
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ADJOURNMENT
There being no further business to discuss, Chairman adjourned the
meeting at T:00 p.m.
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PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES
Council Chamber, City4Hall
July 11, 1984
1:30 p.m.
ROLL CALL F-Y 1984 - 1985
Present Present Excused Absences
Planning Commission This Meeting to Date to date
Richard Service, Chairman X 1
Hugh Curtis X 1
Hugh Kaptur X 1
Peter Koetting X 1
Don Lawrence X 1
Paul Madsen X 1
Sharon Apfelbaum X 0 1
Staff Present
Marvin D. Roos, Planning Director
Siegfried Siefkes, Assistant City Attorney
George Parmenter, Traffic Engineer
Douglas R. Evans, Planner III
Margo Williams, Planner II
John Terell , Redevelopment Planner
Dave Forcucci, Zoning Enforcement Officer
Mary E. Lawler, Recording Secretary
• Architectural Advisory Committee Present - July 9, 1984
James Cioffi , Chairman
Earl Neel
Chris Mills
William Johnson
Michael Buccino
Hugh Curtis
Absent: Sharon Apfelbaum, Earl Neel , Hugh Curtis
Chairman called the meeting to order at 1:30 p.m.
Minutes of the June 27, 1984, meeting will be reviewed at the July 25 meeting.
PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES
Council Chamber, City Hall
July 25, 1984
�. 1:30 p.m.
ROLL CALL F-Y 7.984 - 1985
Present Present Excused Absences
Planning Commission This Meeting to Date to date
Richard Service, Chairman X 2 0
Hugh Curtis - 1 1
Hugh Kaptur X 2 0
Peter Koetting X 2 0
Don Lawrence - 1 1
Paul Madsen X 2 0
Sharon Apfelbaum X 1 1
Staff Present
Marvin D. Roos, Planning Director
Siegfried Siefkes, Assistant City Attorney
George Parmenter, Traffic Engineer
Douglas R. Evans, Planner III
Robert Green, Planner III
Margo Williams, Planner II
John Terell, Redevelopment Planner
Dave Forcucci, Zoning Enforcement Officer
Mary E. Lawler, Recording Secretary
Architectural Advisory Committee Present - July 23, 1984
James Cioffi, Chairman
Earl Neel
Chris Mills
William Johnson
Hugh Curtis
Sharon Apfelbaum
Absent: Michael Buccino, Earl Neel, Hugh Curtis
Alternate: Tom Doczi
Chairman called the meeting to order at 1:30 p.m.
M/S/C (Koetting/Madsen; Curtis, Lawrence absent) approving minutes of the June
27 and July 8, 1984, meetings as submitted.