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Council Chamber, City Hall
April 25, 1984
1:30 p.m.
ROLL CALL F-Y 1983 - 1984
Present Present Excused Absences
Planning Commission This Meeting to Date to date
Richard Service, Chairman X 17 2
Hugh Curtis X 17 2
Hugh Kaptur X 16 3
Peter Koetting X 17 2
Don Lawrence X 18 1
Paul Madsen - 17 2
Sharon Apfelbaum X 18 1
Staff Present
Marvin D. Roos, Planning Director
Sigfried Siefkes, Assistant City Attorney
George Parmenter, Traffic Engineer
John Terell, Redevelopment Planner
Douglas R. Evans, Planner III
Dave Forcucci, Zoning Enforcement Officer
Mary E. Lawler, Recording Secretary
Architectural Advisory Committee Present - April 23, 1984
James Cioffi, Chairman
Earl Neel
Chris Mills
Hugh Curtis
Sharon Apfelbaum
Michael Buccino
William Johnson
Chairman called the meeting to order at 1:30 p.m.
Minutes of April 11, 1984, were approved as submitted.
ADMINISTRATIVE NOTES
Chairman, in recognition of National Secretary's Week, thanked the secretarial
staff for work performed for the Planning Commission.
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PUBLIC HEARINGS
5.0281-ZTA-Continued. Initiation by the CITY OF PALM SPRINGS for an amendment
to the Sign Ordinance and its inclusion in the Zoning Ordinance.
(Commission response to written comments on draft Negative Declaration,
action for filing and final approval .)
Recommendation: That the case be continued to May 9 for a staff report
incorporating Commission and public input.
Planning Director gave a brief history of revisions to the Sign Ordi-
nance (by the Sign Ordinance Task Force, staff and from public input) .
He stated that there were several unresolved issues and to allow further
review staff would recommend that the Ordinance be continued to May 9.
He stated that both the Sign Task Force draft and the staff legislative
draft would be presented to the Council for its review. He noted in
reply to a Commission question regarding a letter received from the Palm
Springs Merchants and Citizens Association that some merchants probably
had been involved in the task force and that the concerns of this group
regarding clarity of the Ordinance would be reviewed by staff and mem-
bers of the group, although the "readability" of the documents seems to
be reasonable to staff.
Chairman stated that if the Commission can arrive at a consensus, staff
would develop wording for review at the May 9 meeting.
Chairman declared the hearing open.
R. Greenbaum, 700 E. Tahquitz-McCallum, Suite D, read a letter from R.
Rothman, a realtor and a member of the task force (who was not able to
be present) who stated that the Board of Realtors supported the task
force recommendations in their entirety and requested relief in "open
house" signs for properties not visible from the public right-of-way
such as multi-tenanted complexes. He stated that off-site signs for a
multi-tenanted complex should not be considered off-site, since the con-
dominium owner owns a portion of the open space and requested inclusion
of Paragraph 9320.073(g) in the Ordinance.
Mrs. M. Perlin, 527 S. Indian; and Mrs. S. Cooney, realtors, stated that
they supported the task force recommendations in their entirety.
R. Flavin, member of the Board of Realtors, stated that he concurred
with Mr. Rothman regarding off-site real estate signs for multi-tenanted
projects to create equity in signing.
L. Allen, 700 E. Tahquitz-McCallum Way, Suite E, Realtor, stated that
"open house" signs attract persons driving by, that large construction
signs on new development are a "kind" of open house sign and that the
ordinance discriminates against condominium owners behind closed gates.
D. Kendzie, Executive Director of the Board of Realtors, Mrs. Florence
Brandman, 520 S. Indian Avenue; and J. Miller, 125 E. Tahquitz-McCallum
Way, Realtors, stated that they all agreed with Mr. Rothman's letter.
H. Untermeyer, realtor of Phase Canyon Estates, stated that sin le-
family residences on cul-de-sacs should be allowed dual signing one
sign sign should front on the nearest street and one on the property) .
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CASE 5.0281-ZTA (Continued)
L. Hart, 2800 Golf Club Drive of Imperial Signs, asked that the Commis-
sion consider a single step approval for signs; that the amortization/
reimbursement of signs should be addressed; requested that attraction
board changes be allowed on a 24 or 48 hour time frame on computerized
attraction boards.
Chairman stated that the Commission was reviewing changing computer
boards at 15 minute intervals, that there is nothing in the ordinance
prohibiting reader boards, and that there are allowances for marquees on
hotels, theaters and nightclubs in the Ordinance. He stated that the
Ordinance prohibited selling time on the boards to another business, and
j that time and temperature modules are prohibited. He stated that lan-
guage for prohibition of time and temperature modules will be clarified
in the Ordinance.
Mr. Hart requested a reduction to 50 feet between entrances for open/
closed signs and also requested that multi-colors be considered for
signs. He also requested allowance of dual-faced or multi-faced signs
subject to strict criteria. He asked that the Commission consider signs
incorporated into the architecture of new buildings` and some provisions
made for signing on existing buildings. He stated that when the com-
munity reached a certain size controls begin to break down and that
perhaps this is happening to Palm Springs. He requested that the needs
of the businessman in a fast-paced society be considered regarding sign-
ing.
There being no futher appearances, the hearing was closed.
Chairman summarized Commission concerns as follows:
- Whether or not to have a Sign Review Board.
- Off-site real estate directional signs.
- Definition of signs (what is a sign?) .
- Clarification of language regarding signs attached to windows.
- Enforcement problems on public event or public promotion signs.
- Lease signs.
- Reader board/computer signs (interval for changes in the face).
- Banners.
- Political signs.
Discussion followed on the Sign Review Board concept. Zoning Enforcment
Otticer stated tha it is another layer in the governmental process.
Commissioner Lawrence stated that the AAC has the required expertise,
that the Planning Commission should have control of signing and that the
present system works well. Planning Director noted that the task force
requested that the Commission address the concept of a self-regulating
Sign Ordinance. In response to Commission question, Chairman stated
that the Commission cannot involve itself in promoting additional per-
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CASE 5.0281-ZTA (Continued)
sonnel in a department. Zoning Enforcement Officer stated that most
signs are reviewed at staff level.
Consensus: That the Sign Review Board concept not be placed in the
Ordinance (Commission felt that the current review process is valid) .
Chairman stated that the Comission is not trying to encumber the process
but is attempting to protect the aesthetics of the City.
Discussion ensued on off-site "open house" signs. Chairman stated that
some realtors feel that an off-site sign on a condominium property is
not technically off-site since condominium owners own a portion of the
open space, but it is a hair-splitting distinction. He stated that
other realtors feel that an inequity would be created regarding signs
for single-family homes not visible from the street. He stated that he
did not support the concept of off-site signing for condominiums since
it will lead to sign proliferation and difficult enforcement and that
the Sin Ordinance
g a ce is not in conflict with itself regarding this con-
cept. Commissioner Kaptur stated that he felt that off-site signing
should be allowed and provisions for controls placed in the Ordinance.
Commission Lawrence stated that real estate arrows should be considered
with direction on placement and removal and a sunset clause provision
for a year trial period. Chairman stated that an inequity would occur
for single-family homes with this concept. Planning Director stated
that wording could be added to 93207.3(g) as follows: After "per com-
plex". . . Add: Units having no street frontages on public streets shall
have one directional sign located at the main entrance. Chairman
reiterated that signing should be equal . Commissioner Kaptur stated
that property not situated on a major thoroughfare should have a sign on
the closest through street.
Planning Director stated that in theory many neighborhoods are designed
to prevent through traffic, that these neighborhoods would require more
signing if the concept were approved. He suggested that the final form
be reviewed at the May 9 meeting, and that the way the Ordinance is
written will allow enforcement, but if realtor arrows are allowed
enforcement will be a problem because of proliferation of signs. Com-
missioner Koetting suggested allowing signs on Saturday and Sunday, that
a sunset clause could be initiated to test the concept, and that only
one off-site sign should be allowed. Commissioner Kaptur suggested that
the off-site sign be allowed only when a realtor is present on the
premises. Commissioner Koetting added that one sign should be allowed
on the condominium itself.
No Consensus: (3 dissented - Curtis, Apfelbaum, Service) that one off-
site arrow "open house" sign be allowed and one ":for sale" sign be
allowed on the property (if a real estate person is on-site) with the
signing to be removed when the real estate person leaves the premises,
and a trial period of one year (to be ended with a sunset clause) .
Discussion ensued regarding leasing signs. Chairman stated that con-
cerns were noted at a study session and a consensus was reached that
leasing signs be allowed provided leasing and construction signs during
construction periods are incorporated into one sign. Commissioner
Koetting stated that consensus was reached whereby a 32 square foot
leasing sign on each street frontage could also be provided.
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CASE 5.0281-ZTA (Continued)
Consensus: That lease signs should be 32 square feet provided that
leasing and construction signs during construction periods be incorpo-
rated into one sign and that one sign be allowed on each frontage.
Discussion ensued on computer reader boards. Commissioner Kaptur sug-
gested a time interval of 15 minutes for changes to the sign. In reply
to Commission question, Planning Director stated that the size of reader
board is based on the number of hotel units.
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Consensus: That reader boards be allowed according to allowable size
and allowed to change faces no more than every 15 minutes.
Discussion ensued on signs attached to windows. Zoning Enforcement
Officer stated that enforcement is difficult, that anything attached to
the window except for small convenience signs such as credit card sign-
ing wasnotlegal . Chairman stated that the issue of "what is a sign?"
should be resolved. Commissioner Lawrence stated that a menu (which
would be allowed under the proposed ordinance) advertises goods; there-
fore other businesses such as realtors or jewelry stores, etc. should
be allowed signs to sell their "goods". Zoning Enforcment Officer
stated that a menu board is an accustomed convenience in the opinion of
the task force. Commissioner Koetting stated that credit card signs are
proliferating in the City. Zoning Enforcement Officer noted that credit
cards are not allowed currently but are proliferating. Commissioner
Kaptur noted that two square feet would be allowed on a window in which
the merchant can place any information he wants. Zoning Enforcement
Officer stated that abatement of current signing in this regard would
not be a problem. Commissioner Curtis stated that the biggest problem
is enforcement and a definitive statement should be made on what is
legal and what is not. Zoning Enforcement Officer stated that currently
the Ordinance defines anything three feet from the window with the
exception of merchandising as a sign. Planning Director suggested that
a "recipe" be developed on placement of signs in relationship to the
window. Commissioner Kaptur stated that it was difficult to enforce the
ordinance in interior spaces. Planning Director stated that criteria
would be developed by staff regarding placement of signage beyond a cer-
tain depth.
Consensus: That signage on a window be two square feet to include
credit cards, open/closed signs and hours of business and other small
convenience signs.
Discussion ensued on provisions for banners. Planning Director said
that banners are regulated under "special permits" and are reviewed by
the City Council which has not approved banners for several years
because the list of organizations wishing to have banners became too
lengthy and that staff would recommend a use-related rather than an
event-related banners.
Consensus: Provisions for banners should remain as they are written in
the ordinance.
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Discussion ensued on political signs. Planning Director stated that
political signs can be five square feet. Assistant City Attorney stated
that the City could not prohibit political signs and that any sign
making a political statement is a political sign but they can be regu-
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CASE 5.0281-ZTA (Continued)
lated if serving a legitimate governmental interest. Planning Director
stated that cash bonding had not been required for five years and the
provision will be removed from the Ordinance. He stated also that the
sections regarding "location in the public right-of-way", or "affixed to
trees" and the section on "removal" will also be deleted.
Chairman continued the case to the May 9 meeting.
CASE 5.0308-PD-155. Application by C. DUNHAM for Planning Commission con-
sideration of certification of the final Environmental Impact Report and
approval of preliminary development plans for a Planned Development Dis-
trict for a hillside development of 9-single family lots for land sale
purposes west of South Palm Canyon Drive between Cahuilla Hills
Drive/Murray Canyon Drive, R-2 and 0-20 Zones (I.L. ) , Section 34.
and
TPM 16495 (Revised) . Application by ERVIN ENGINEERING for C. Dunham for a
combination of parcels on South Palm Canyon Drive between Cahuilla Hills
Drive/Murray Canyon Drive, R-2 and 0-20 Zones (I.L. ) , Section 34.
(Reference Case 5.0308-PD-155.)
Recommendation: That the Planning Commission give preliminary approval
to the project, recommend certification of the EIR, and approve Tenta-
tive Parcel Map 16495.
Planning Director stated that the applicant and the Tribal Council are
seeking a two-week continuance, but that there are people in the audi-
ence wishing to provide input. He stated that these comments could be
reviewed and a report given at the next meeting.
In response to Chairman's question, Planner III stated that the appli-
cant wished to meet with the attorney for the homeowners association of
Canyon Vista for an agreement to be reached on conditions or a redesign
of the project. He stated that there are minor changes in the project
addressing mitigative measures to insure privacy and preserve view cor-
ridors.
Chairman stated that there are grounds to continue, but that audience
input would be taken.
Planner III stated that the original project had been approved by the
Commission and denied by the Council. He presented the staff report and
stated that the staff was in agreement with the AAC conditions and that
the only construction would be the roadway and utilities with lot con-
struction on hillside areas controlled by strict CC&Rs. He stated that
colors have not been selected but that earth tones have been suggested.
In response to Commission question, he stated that some lots overlook
private pool areas in the Vista Canyon complex. He described the con-
figuration of the lots and stated that there was a possibility that Lot
#1 could be moved slightly so that there would be no ridgeline condi-
tion.
Chairman declared the hearing open.
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TPM 16495 (Continued)
C. Dunham, 333 Vereda Norte, stated that his map was submitted before
escrows closed on Vista Canyon and that he had cooperated with the Vista
Canyon homeowners association and with Cahuilla homeowners by deleting
two lots and eliminating access from Cahuilla Hills. He stated that a
two-week continuance would allow him to meet with the homeowners to
resolve problems, but that there had been no secret that his project was
in progress, and that the developers were notified by the City. He
stated that he was defending himself against the homeowners for a
property that is his right to develop; and that the lots are estate size
lots, will have AAC review and there will be no lot grading. He stated
that he will adhere to City conditions and that he would try once more
to resolve differences during the two-week continuance.
F. Breswine of Riverside, a prospective purchaser in the Vista Canyon
project, stated that the Dunham project may affect his privacy because
of its close proximity and the height of the lots. He requested the
name of the attorney for Vista Canyon.
Ms. E. Watson, attorney representing Vista Canyon Homeowners Associa-
tion, stated that she was requesting a continuance which had already
been requested by Mr. Dunham because she had received late notice of the
meeting and wished to meet with her clients and Mr. Dunham regarding
concerns.
There being no further appearances, Chairman declared the hearing
closed.
M/S/C (Kaptur/Koetting; Madsen absent) continuing the case and map to
May 9.
TRIBAL COUNCIL COMMENTS (Applicable to both PD-155 and TPM 16495. ) :
"It was noted that a previous application for a Planned Development
District (Case 5.0136-PS-111) on the subject properties was considered
by the Tribal Council, City Planning Commission and the City Council in
1982. The Tribal Council conditionally approved the project on October
12, 1982. Subsequent action by the City Planning Commission to recom-
mend approval of the Project was overruled by the City Council and the
application was denied. Planning application has been resubmitted in
essentially the same form, the primary changes involve the relocation of
the access roadway and the elimination of two (2) lots.
In view of concerns and actions taken on the previous application, and
after consideration of the recommendations of the Indian Planning Com-
mission, the Tribal Council requested that this case be continued to the
City Planning Commission's next regularly scheduled meeting of May 9.
The continuance is to provide additional time for the Indian Planning
Commission and the Tribal Planning Consultant to:
1. Review the file on previous Case 5.0136-PD-111, including the
draft EIR.
2. Give further consideration to the proposed transfer of density
from an R-2 Zone (14-15 D.U./Acre) to an 0-20 Zone (1 D.U./20
Acre) from the standpoint of consistency with the intent of the
City's General Plan and the Zoning Ordinance.
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TPM 16495 (Continued)
3. The comments and the Tribal Council 's request for continuance as
noted above, also apply to TPM 16495. "
CASE 5.0243-CZ. Application by J. WESSMAN for a change of zone from R-G-A(8)
Garden Apartments, 8 du/acre) to C-1 (Commercial) for property on Sun-
rise Way between Ramon Road/Sunny Dunes Road, R-G-A(8) Zone, Section 23.
Recommendation: That the Planning Commission deny the change of zone
from R-G-A(8) to C-1.
Planner III presented the staff report. He stated the main reason to
deny the request was the significant increases in traffic counts. He
stated that there had been an Indian Zone change in 1982 and the
property west of Alpha Beta was denied rezoning by the Commission but
approved by the City Council for a C-1 Zone; and that the land will be
difficult to develop since it is a long narrow lot.
J. Wessman, 72200 Clancy Lane, Rancho Mirage, the applicant, stated that
his original zone change application had been approved by the Commission
but changed to Professional Zoning by the Council; and that he had with-
drawn the application. He stated that the traffic figures were in error
since only 30,000 sq. ft. of the property will be commercial , therefore
reducing traffic by half and that he had discussed the proposal with the
neighbors and found no objections. He stated that 50% of the C-1 land
is not developed, and that is why the City Council wants to have Profes-
sional Zoning. He stated that if there were a need for "Professional"
development, it would have been developed; and that his plans will be
for a mixed-use development of retail on the ground floor and offices on
the second floor. He stated that the project would be of high quality,
and he felt that the City should view it favorably. He stated that he
could not develop the property unless he received the zoning he needed.
In response to Commission question, he stated that he thought a change
of zone was necessary to initiate a General Plan Amendment, that he
needed more expanded uses than the Professional zoning allows, and that
the project would relate to neighborhood uses. He stated also that the
project denied by the Council was a mixed-use project. Chairman stated
that what was voted upon was Professional office uses with limited com-
mercial uses.
Discussion ensued on the action on the original project. Planning
Director stated that the previous recommendation was to change the
medium density designation to commercial and the Council denied the
change. Mr. Wessman stated that the proposed center would be a mixed-
use project such as dry cleaning establishments, dress shops, etc. He
stated also that he would like to have a gourmet mini-market, but that
the use was not valid on the particular property.
Planning Director stated that in July of 1979, the Commission recom-
mended a General Plan change to commercial and the Council felt commer-
cial was inappropriate but approved a Professional designation, but no
approval was given for a change of zone opting instead for a Planned
Development District and that within the last few weeks the application
was amended to a request for a change of zone from P to C-1. He
described the various applications submitted by the applicant, stated
that the applicant had always wanted a mixed-use type of development on
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CASE 5.0243-CZ (Continued)
the property, and that staff would suggest that a mixed-use development
be consistent with the "P" underlying zone. Mr. Wessman stated that a
mixed use would be a solution to the proper development of the corner.
There being no further appearances, the hearing was closed.
Commissioner Kaptur stated that a specialty shopping center would be the
best use of the property, and that he would recommend concurring with
the Planning Commission decision of five years ago and send the action
on to the Council .
Commissioner Lawrence stated that the traffic would be less than staff
statistics indicated, since the square footage of commercial would be
reduced and that he concurred with Commissioner Kaptur. Commissioner
Apfelbaum stating that she would like to see new figures from staff on
recalculations of the floor space.
Planning Director stated that the Commission could continue the
application pending an amendment to the General Plan to Commercial
unless Commission found that the mixed use was compatible with land use
on the General Plan (which is not recommended by staff) . He stated that
the General Plan text does not indicate specialty retail on the
property.
Commissioner Curtis stated that the project would be viable on that par-
ticular corner and that the applicant develops good projects.
Discussion followed on the possibility of taking action on a PD. Chair-
man stated that the Commission could change the application to a PD and
proceed for an environmental assessment based on the PD application.
M/S (Lawrence/Apfelbaum; Madsen absent) approving a PD in lieu of a
change of zone for mixed uses and finding mixed-uses on the property
consistent with the General Plan.
Discussion followed on whether or not the above action would be legal
and the types of uses that could be allowed. Mr. Wessman stated that
the motion was similar to what he had already received from the Council
but that he wanted more expanded uses and requested a change in the
General Plan to Commercial for legality and to allow him to build under
a PD.
Assistant City Attorney stated that if the proposed use is not con-
sistent with the General Plan, the General Plan would require changing
and if the underlying zoning is residential , it is necessary for a
change of zone. He stated that the Commission cannot completely depart
from the zoning.
Commissioner Lawrence withdrew his motion with consent of seconder.
M/S/C (Kaptur/Koetting; Madsen absent) to continue the application to
July for initiation of a General Plan Amendment.
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PUBLIC COMMENTS
W. Kleindienst, 3963 Calle San Antonio, stated that the Commission had
not wanted a gas station use with a convenience market in the past and
that there was a change in marketing attitudes indicated in a document
which he would distribute for Commission information and further judg-
ment.
W. McGill, 668 Bedford Drive, requested that blowsand from the Temple
Project be abated since it is inundating his home, yard, and cars. He
requested action from the Commission to have the project planted or
other measures taken.
Chairman stated that the Commission would direct staff to investigate
conditions on the property.
ARCHITECTURAL APPROVAL ITEMS
The Planning Commission reviewed plans, discussed, and took action on
the following items involving architectural approval subject to the con-
ditions as outlined.
RECONSIDERATION-SIGN APPLICATION. Request by J. WARREN for Planning Commis-
sion reconsideration of interior lighted main identification sign for
business on East Arenas Road (former Aaron Bros. location) , C-B-D Zone,
Section 15.
Chairman abstained, Vice Chairman presided.
Planning Director stated that the application is being requested for
reconsideraiton of the AAC recommended and Planning Commission approved
conditions.
J. Warren, the applicant of Mages Sporting Goods, stated that the sign-
ing has been reduced from Mages Sporting Goods to Mages Sports Arena
since the business is on Arenas Road and will have an "arena" theme. He
stated that the letters will be on a concrete wall.
Commissioner Kaptur stated that the canopy would be blocking the sign
and that the applicant will be asking for another change because people
cannot see it. He stated that the awning should be removed.
Zoning Enforcement Officer noted that the awning should stay as dis-
cussed with applicant who is aware that the sign is not visible from
certain views, and that the applicant can have a pedestrian sign. He
stated that the signing proposed (backlit channel letters against the
stucco wall) could be the new alternate sign program for the complex.
Commissioner Lawrence stated that he did not like to see changing the
original but the business needs a sign and the canopy was not strong
enough to support the letters.
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RECONSIDERATION-SIGN APPLICATION (Continued)
M/S/C (Lawrence/Curtis; Service abstained; Madsen absent) approving the
application subject to the following condition: That 12" channel let-
ters located under the quadrafoil be used in one continuous line.
Commissioner Curtis stated that he had voted against the proposal at the
AAC meeting but voted in favor at the Planning Commission meeting
because the landlord is the problem, not the tenant. He stated that the
j landlord does not want to develop a good sign program and leaves the
tenant in limbo.
Commissioner Koetting stated that the landlord should be aware that the
sign approval is the prototype for a new sign program.
CASE 3.089. Application by R. HARRISON for D. Williams for architectural
approval of revised site plan and elevations for industrial building at
Gene Autry Trail/Sunny Dunes Road, M-1 Zone, Section 19.
M/S/C (Kaptur/Curtis; Madsen absent) approving the application subject
to the following conditions:
1. That the mass of the pilaster be increased to 30" throughout.
2. That the parapet be revised as noted on the plans.
3. That working drawings of the fascia be submitted.
4. That street landscaping conform with the Commission approved plan
for Gene Autry Trail.
5. That all recommendations of the Development Committee be met.
CASE 3.669. Application by A. CRIST for architectural approval of a single-
fa mi y hillside residence on Vista Drive between Via Lavornia/Via
Olivera, R-1-C Zone, Section 3.
M/S/C (Kaptur/Lawrence; Madsen absent) approving the application subject
to the following conditions:
1. That final landscape, irrigation and exterior lighting plans be
submitted.
2. That the front yard be retained as a natural landscape area.
3. That details of sun control on the south and east elevations be
submitted with working drawings for AAC and Commission approval .
4. That all recommendations of the Development Committee be met.
April 25, 1984 PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES Page 12
CONSENT AGENDA
M/S/C (Curtis/Apfelbaum; Madsen absent) taking the following actions for items
on the agenda.
SIGN APPLICATION. Application by J. NELSON for W. Sessoyeff for architectural
approval of canvas awning and painted sign for business at 1068 N. Palm
Canyon Drive, C-1 Zone, Section 10.
Condition: Approved as submitted.
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SIGN APPLICATION. Application by A. SPIERINGS for architectural approval of
awning and sign for restaurant at 641 N. Palm Canyon Drive, C-1 Zone,
Section 10.
Approved subject to the following conditions:
1. That a 20-inch non-scalloped valance be used and that the second
awning over the parking lot entry is denied.
2. That the colors be submitted for staff approval.
CASE 1.514. Application by R. GREGORY for T. STYKES for architectural
approval of final landscape plans for single-family hillside residence
at 2321 Araby Drive, R-1-B Zone, Section 25.
Approved subject to the following conditions:
1. That desert landscaping be utilized in the front yard adjacent to
the retaining wall. (Details shall be submitted for staff
approval . )
2. That staff examine the palm trees located in the rear yard and
report to the AAC if significant concern exists. (The concern is
view blockage from the neighbors and a commitment to the adjacent
property owners to not obstruct views significantly as well as
safety related to utility lines. )
CASE 5.0128-PD-107. Application by DESERT ISLE ASSOC. for architectural
approval of second story office addition to hotel/time share complex on
E. Palm Canyon Drive, R-3 and R-G-A(6) Zones, Section 25. (Reference
Case 5.0128-PD-107.)
Restudy. The AAC felt the proposed office building was inappropriate as
it was designed.
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CASE 3.676. Application by SHELL OIL COMPANY for architectural approval of
addition to gasoline station at 2696 N. Palm Canyon Drive, C-1 Zone,
Section 3.
Restudy noting the following:
1. That a design sympathetic to the building be explored.
2. That the applicant provide photos of the existing facility.
Chairman left the meeting; Vice Chairman presided.
TTM 17260 (Revised) . Application by WAGNER STANFORD CONSULTANTS for Heltzer
Enterprises for tentative tract map for condominium purposes on Golf
Club Drive, north of Highway 111, R-3 Zone (I.L. ) , Section 29. (Refer-
ence Case 3.645. )
Environmental Assessment previously given in conjunction with the origi-
nal map.
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Planner III stated that staff would recommend two additional conditions
in response to a request from Cathedral City as follows:
1. A street overlay of nine feet on approximately 200 to 300 feet of
�- roadway to provid
e a 29 to 30 foot acc
ess.
2. A minimum 10 foot setback in the phase lines to improvements in
Phase I and lot line adjustments as the map proceeds.
M/S/C (Kaptur/Lawrence; Madsen, Service absent) approving TTM 17260
(Revised) subject to all recommendations of the Development Committee
and the two additional conditions as stated above.
TRIBAL COUNCIL COMMENTS:
TTM 17260 was previously considered and approved by the Tribal Counci in
connection with Case 3.645. City staff has noted that the map is being
revised to conform with the approved site plan.
April 25, 1984 PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES Page 14
MISCELLANEOUS ITEMS
CASE 5.0312-B-(MISC. ) . Commission review of application by WINDUSTRIES for a
change of zone from W-2 to W-E for property and approval of the project
application (south of I-10, east of West Garnet) in the sphere of influ-
ence.
Planner III described the proposal on the display board and stated that
the turbines will be approximately 100 feet high. He stated that the
applicant is also requesting a zone change to a wind energy zone; if the
zone change is granted more turbines will be allowed; and that the
applicant is requesting two motions.
Chairman returned to the meeting.
Planner III stated that changing the colors of the turbines to desert
tones would be difficult according to the applicant. No noted that
there are many wind energy projects in the approval process along the
Southern Pacific Railroad of which this project is one, and that setback
requirements on the project are being met.
Commissioner Koetting requested that the applicant explained bonding for
removal of the turbines.
S. Blake of Burlington, Iowa, stated that a bond will be provided in the
amount of $100 for removal of the concrete; and that the above ground
structures will be removed by scavengers for their value.
Commissioner Kbetting stated that he was afraid that that would be the
answer, but he had assumed that the applicant would remove it. Mr.
Blake stated that the County has not involved itself with the issue of
removal, but the land owner wants the structures removed if they deteri-
orate and that the County is operating under the same philosophy. He
stated that there is 10 year guarantee on his machinery and that a
positive evolution is occuring in the industry. He stated that the
ultimate development will continue.
Commissioner Lawrence remarked that the investor has nothing to lose and
that the City and County could have nothing but steel structures.
In reply to commission comment regarding the small amount of cash bond-
ing, Mr. Blake stated that removal costs are low on his machinery
because there are screw anchors holding the structures to the concrete.
He stated that the wind turbines manufactured by his company would oper-
ate in 40 to 50 mph winds because there is a blade feathering mecha-
nisim.
M/S/C (Koetting/Lawrence; Kaptur, Apfelbaum dissenting; Madsen absent)
recommending approval of the project application and zone change with
the recommendation to the County to increase the bonding for removal of
the structures if the project is abandoned.
CommissionerKaptur stated he dissented becaused the wind turbines are
inpacting the desert scenic corridors.
Commissioner Apfelbaum stated that she felt that the turbines were in
too close a proximity to the town of West Garnet.
April 25, 1984 PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES Page 15
CASE 5.0312-B (Continued)
Planning Director explainedthat the motion included the approval of the
application and the zone change.
Planner III stated that Mr. Blake would be attending a future study
session as the representative of the wind industry since he has been in
the industry for many years.
ARCHITECTURAL APPROVAL ITEMS (Continued)
CASE 5.0303-PD-152. Application by C. MILLS for J. F. Temple for architec-
tural approval of final development plans for Phase III for golf
course/condominium project at Ramon Road/Farrell Drive, R-1-C and W-R-1-
C Zones, Section 24.
Planner II presented the project on the display board. He stated that
the setbacks have been reduced to 10 feet between the columns and the
structure that were originally approved at 20 to 25 feet; and that some
j of the stand of Palo Verde trees have been removed. He stated that the
applicant has indicated a tree restoration program will be submitted to
the Commission; and that the Director of Community Development has indi-
cated that the 10 foot setback is acceptable as far as staff is con-
cerned.
Commissioner Kaptur stated that the setback was not acceptable.
C. Mills, 278-C North Palm Canyon Drive, stated that a wall would
separate the Church parking lot from the condominiums. He stated that
there are existing trees which have become a problem regarding setback
requirements. Chairman stated that the tree situation was known at the
onset of the project.
Mr. Mills stated that the only trees that were removed were dead and
removed under the direction of a landscape architect.
Discussion followed on the condition of the trees. Mr. Mills stated
that nothing was removed that was living. Planner III dissented.
Mr. Mills noted that he did not have the tree survey when the plan was
laid out; that the plan was changed against the configuration of the
golf course and that the 10 foot setback between the buildings is from
balcony to balcony not building to building. He stated that the same
situation occurs on the west property line and that the Director of Com-
munity has indicated that there was no problem with the reduced setback.
Planning Director in response to Commission question stated that pads
can vary, but that the concerns of staff are that the project is out of
control to a degree. He stated that staff finds out about revisions
after they have happened. He noted that the biggest problem is the
inflexibility of having 600 units, and that the architect could remove
some of them to obtain the required setbacks. He stated that staff had
overlooked the 10 foot setback change at the April 11 meeting because of
inadequate time to review.
April 25, 1984 PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES Page 16
CASE 5.0303-PD-152 (Continued)
Discussion followed on action regarding setbacks. Planner III stated
that the architect could revise the buildings, and Commissioner Kaptur
stated that if the Commission insists on meeting code requirements, some
units would be lost.
Planner III stated that the wall does not have the depth of the other
walls since it was changed in response to the site change.
Mr. Mills stated that he had called the project site to see about the
complaint received from Mr. McGill (at the meeting) regarding blowsand;
that every fire hydrant is metered for project use, that the pond in the
wash has been used and is now dry; and at Site 4, sprinklers are
installed for operation on 4-26 at 6 a.m.
Chairman stated that area was bladed weeks ago, and the applicant is
making an enemy of the neighbors.
Mr. Mills stated that the applicant will help the gentleman who had a
complaint regarding blowsand.
Planning Director stated that the applicant will help the man who had
complained and staff will check the streets for cleanliness.
Mr. Mills stated that no amount of water will help at this time of the
year and that the grass needs to grow and be irrigated to keep the dust
down.
Planning Director stated that the time of year was something that had
already been discussed by the Commission. He stated that the plan on
the board what was approved by the Commission but the staff had not had
time to review the plans totally to check their compliance with the
preliminaries and that there are two areas of deviation regarding set-
backs which the Director of Community Development has approved. He
stated that the plans were presented to apprise the Commission of the
situation. Commissioner Curtis stated that the Commission is approving
the project too fast.
Commissioner Kaptur stated that the developer had promised to change
anything the Commission did not like; and that the buildings should be
moved to the required setback.
Mr. Mills stated that in defense of the applicant the setbacks from the
street are twice and three times the required distance, that reducing
the setback against the parking lot is more sensible than "cramming" the
structures on the street.
Commissioner Kaptur stated that Mr. Mills was correct but the plans
should be presented at the beginning for Commission reaction and that
the project is being built before preliminary plans are submitted.
Chairman stated that he was very offended by the applicant's not follow-
ing the plan, but that the ten foot area would not be used for any use.
He stated that the Commission is saving trees, and that the Commission
continues to be offended by the way the project is proceeding.
April 25, 1984 PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES Page 17
CASE 5.0303-PD-152 (Continued)
i� Mr. Mills stated that Site 4 plans will be presented before anything is
constructed.
Commissioner Koetting requested that the developer come to the Commis-
sion at the next meeting and explain what is happening on the project.
Motion was made by Commissioner Lawrence to approve the final develop-
ment plans subject to conditions; the motion died for a lack of a
second.
Commissioner Kaptur stated that he would like to have the project con-
tinued to apprise the developer of the Commission's concern.
Planning Director stated that the flow of information has stopped
because with approvals being given by the Commission, the impetus from
the developer to finish everything has stopped.
M/S (Kaptur/Apfelbaum; Madsen absent) to continue the application to May
9.
The vote was as follows:
AYES: Apfelbaum, Kaptur, Service
NOES: Curtis, Lawrence, Koetting
`—' ABSENT: Madsen
There was a tie vote; therefore no action was taken.
Mr. Mills stated that future plans will not be presented in the same
manner as previous plans had been.
M/S/C (Lawrence/Kaptur; Madsen absent; Koetting dissented) approving
plans for Phase 3 subject to the following conditions:
1. That final grading plan for Phase 3 is approved as submitted.
2. A ten-foot setback to property line is approved on the west
property line.
3. That the minimum setback between buildings is approved.
4. That all recommendations of the Development Committee be met.
Mr. Mills stated that he would discuss the Commission's concerns with
the developer.
April 25, 1984 PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES Page 18
MISCELLANEOUS ITEMS (Continued)
CASE 5.0312-C-(MISC. ) . Commission review of application by W. ADAMS for a
change of zone for wind machines on Whitewater Hill , north of Interstate
10, west of Highway 62 in the sphere of influence.
Planner III stated that the proposal will set a precedent on land use
decisions and staff recommends that three times the height of the tur-
bine setback east of the property line be required to protect single-
family residences. He stated that staff would recommend denial of the
proposed application and that the applicant has filed a lawsuit against
the City because of the City/County suit which he indicates has resulted
in a $1.5 million loss to him on delay of his project.
M/S/C (Kaptur/Lawrence; Madsen absent) recommending denial to the City
Council of the requested zone change.
ARCHITECTURAL APPROVAL ITEMS (Continued)
RECONSIDERATION-SECURITY GATES (CASE 3.474) . Request by SMOKETREE RACQUET
CLUB HOA for reconsideration of security gates for Smoketree Racquet
Club located at 1655 E. Palm Canyon Drive, R-3 Zone, Section 26.
Removed from the agenda at the applicant's request.
ITEMS FOR RESTUDY
M/S/C (Curti s/Apfelbaum; Madsen absent) for a restudy of the following
cases:
CASE 3.672 (Minor) . Application by C. HARRISON for Worldwide Group for archi-
tectural approval of revised elevations for exterior remodel at 1900
East Palm Canyon Drive, R-3 Zone, Section 24.
Restudy noting that the proposed changes did not enhance the building
and suggesting that the applicant consider a minor remodel incorporating
structural corrections and repainting of the building.
CASE 3.677. Application by I. DAMPF for architectural approval of single-
family residence at 2301 Araby Drive, R-1-C Zone, Section 25.
Restudy noting the following:
1. That the garage doors be recessed into the door jambs by increas-
ing the mass.
2. That the eastern elevation be revised, whereby the guest house and
arch are recessed a minimum of two feet from the plane of the
garage doors.
3. That the pitched roof element on the north elevation be pitched
back whereby it becomes flush with the building (change in
overhan on the ends) .
April 25, 1984 PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES Page 19
CASE 3.677 (Continued)
4. That matching tile roofs materials be used with 60 percent exposed
mortar.
5. That working drawings be submitted for AAC/PC approval.
MISCELLANEOUS ITEMS (Continued)
ADDED STARTER - DISCUSSION. Planning Commission consideration of request to
amend the Oasis Redevelopment Project Area. (Case 5.0252-D-MISC. )
Redevelopment Planner stated that the legal standing of the applicant is
somewhat less since the applicant has requested deletion of the prop-
erty; and that staff feels there is no specific reason for the request.
M/S/C (Apfelbaum/Curtis; Madsen absent) approving the request to amend
the Oasis Redevelopment Project Area.
ARCHITECTURAL APPROVAL ITEMS (Continued)
CASE 3.243. Application by ROSE GARDEN HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION for architec-
tural approval of revised landscape plans for condominium complex on
Tiffany Circle, R-G-A(8) Zone (I.L. ) , Section 14.
Planning Director stated that the landscape architect who has walked the
site indicates that the landscape materials are overplanted and some
should be removed since the trees are crowded and stunting each other's
growth and should be larger than they are. He stated that one owner has
objected to the removal of the trees.
I.
! M/S/C (Kaptur/Curtis; Madsen absent) approving the application subject
to supervision of tree removal by the landscape architect of record.
CASE 3.680. Application by DANSK/WESTAR ASSOCIATES for architectural approval
of retail building on North Palm Canyon Drive between Racquet Club
Road/Cortez Road, PD-136, Section 3.
M/S/C (Curti s/A felbaum; Koetting abstained; Madsen absent) approving
the application subject to t following
pp � he of owing condtions:
1. That the property line wall be removed in order that the curved
portion of the building be exposed to Palm Canyon Drive.
2. That all recommendations of the Development Committee be met.
3. That the minor wing wall that encroaches into the right-of-way be
eliminated.
4. That a final landscape plan be submitted and approved.
April 25, 1984 PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES Page 20
CASE 3.681 (Minor). Application by B. WEIN for architectural approval of
awning for business at 160 N. Palm Canyon Drive, C-B-D Zone, Section 15.
M/S/C (Lawrence/Kaptur; Madsen absent) approving the application subject
to the following condition: That a curved awning be used as submitted.
ADJOURNMENT
There being no further business to discuss, Chairman adjourned the
meeting at 6:45 p.m.
Planning ire for
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