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PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES
Council Chamber, City Hall
April 14, 1982
1:30 p.m.
ROLL CALL F-Y 1981 - 1982
Present Present Excused Absences
Planning Commission This Meeting to Date to date
Michael Harris, Chairman X 15 4
Carrie Allan X 17 2
Richard Service X 17 2
Paul Madsen X 17 2
Darel Harris X 17 2
David Christian - 15 4
Peter Koetting X 18 1
Staff Present
John A. Mangione, Director of Community Development
Marvin D. Roos, Planning Director
Douglas Evans, Planner III
Robert Green, Planner II
• Stephen Graham, Planner II
Mary L. Isenberg, Recording Secretary
Architectural Advisory Committee Present - April 12, 1982
Larry Lapham, Chairman
Peter Koetting
James Cioffi
Chris Mills (alternate)
Earl Neel
Hugh Kaptur
Absent: David Hamilton & David Christian
Chairman called the meeting to order at 1:30 p.m.
Approval of Minutes
Motion was made by D. Harris, seconded by Allan, and unanimously carried
(Christian absent) amending the March 10, 1982 minutes as follows:
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Approval of Minutes (Cont'd.)
Page 14, add after last paragraph: Tentative Parcel Map 18385. Application
by BILLINGTON, INC. for C. Thompson for subdivision of property between
Racquet Club Road/Sanborn Way, one block west of Milo Drive, R-1-B Zone,
Section 3. Removed from Agenda pending receipt of letter from the Flood
Control District.
Page 9, paragraph 6; Motion for Case 5.0177-PD-131 should indicate Madsen and
M. Harris abstained.
Minutes of the March 24, 1982 meeting were unanimously approved with the
following additions:
Page 9, paragraph 7 - Case 5.0217-CUP & TTM 18507 - add after "tract homes",
"and are not of the caliber of the homes the Commission has required in this
area".
Page 16, paragraph 2 - Case 5.0144-PD-116 - change "utility bills" to
"electric bills".
CASE 5.0217-CUP & TTM 18507. Application by L. LAPHAM for G. McGlamary for a
• CUP and map to allow construction of a residential condominium project
on Ramon Road between La Mirada Road/Fern Canyon Drive, R-1-A Zone
(I.L. ), Section 22.
(Environmental assessment and tentative approval .)
Planning Director reviewed the history of the project and stated that
the applicant had made no major changes since the last meeting; that lot
sizes on La Mirada average 14,164 sq. ft. and lots on Fern Canyon
average 13,933 sq. ft. ; that houses range in size from 3,247 sq. ft.
plus garage on Fern Canyon and 3,864 plus garage on La Mirada; that
three lots have been combined by one individual into a total of 50,000
sq. ft. ; and that the Tribal Council recommends approval with the
exception of drainage fees while staff recommends approval as the
project is compatible with the area in regard to house, lot size and
design. He defined the project as a classic PUD in the sense of common
maintenance of frontage areas. He stated that the custom designed houses
will be reviewed by both the AAC and the Planning Commission and noted
that the motivation for the wall is for security and marketability.
In reply to a question by Commissioner Service, Planning Director stated
that in theory, Ramon Road could be vacated and become a private street
if requested by the affected property owners.
Chairman declared the hearing open.
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. CASE 5.0217-CUP & TTM 18507 (Cont'd.)
L. Lapham, 500 S. Palm Canyon Drive, the applicant, stated that he would
respond to the concerns of the area residents; noted that the security
wall and the grading plan are addressed much more easily under the PUD
type of plan that has been submitted and explained the grade changes and
the wall height on the display board. He stated that grading is gradual
due to the split-level configuration of the houses; noted that the
Planning Commission could condition to not allow walls over six feet in
height from natural grade; stated that the homes range in size from
2,900 to 3,300 sq. ft. and are individually designed; and that Webb
Engineering, Inc. has built many custom homes, including expensive
homes against the mountain in Thunderbird which have no retaining walls.
Discussion followed on resident complaints that the wall and building
height of the project obstructs the view. Mr. Lapham stated that pad
height cannot be determined until grading stakes are placed; and that
some of the residents have landscaped onto the project property and that
care will be taken that removal of the landscaping does not damage any
property.
The following persons spoke in opposition to the project citing
depreciation of property values; obstruction of view; impersonal view of
residents as statistics; excessive roof height; excessive wall height;
intensity of density; excessive height of building pads; lack of
adherence to the strict standards imposed previously on area homeowners;
• aesthetics; uniqueness of the area; undesirable precedent being set
relative to roof height; substandard lot sizes; lack of adherence to
grading standards; and a condominium project being detrimental to the
neighborhood:
A. Moravic, 565 La Mirada
J. Tourtelot, 584 Fern Canyon Drive
K. Herman, 1111 Cactus (Tahquitz Falls Subdivision Architectural
Committee member)
A. Jessup, 599 Fern Canyon
L. Lapham (rebuttal ) stated that he felt that the residents had
misunderstood the height limits and that no roofs would be over 15 feet;
that the applicant could live with 14 feet if it were required by the
Commission; and that the wall would be only six feet from the natural
grade of the property which can be a condition of approval .
In reply to a question by Commissioner Madsen, Mr. Lapham stated that
there would be a balanced grading situation in total volume and that
large boulders will be removed and replaced with natural fill within the
confines of the project; and that no radical conditions will be
developed.
Discussion followed on roof height as viewed from the Tourtelot
property. Mr. Lapham stated that if the natural grades are reviewed, an
• adjustment can be very manageable; that the residents on La Mirada will
look over the top of the pads; and that the pads adjacent to La Mirada
will be two to three feet below natural grade.
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• CASE 5.0217-CUP & TTM 18507 (Cont'd.)
Further discussion ensued relative to the impacts of a condominium type
of project versus single family residential development.
Planning Director read a letter from K. Hinsvark objecting to the
project. He stated that there is no need to be concerned about time
sharing since the zone prohibits it and also that the tennis court is in
a logical location since it abuts the Hinsvark court.
There being no further appearances, the hearing was closed.
In reply to a question by Commissioner Allan, Planning Director stated
that the grading plan is basically the same as would be required for
individual homes; that the southeast corner is the worst condition since
the pad of the proposed home would be above the wall; noted that the
roof of the new homes might not be as low as indicated by the applicant;
and that the pad height for the proposed project was not determined by
averaging the four corners as was done in the older home construction
which was required by the C.C. & R. 's of the project. He then described
the City standards for pad height and stated that roof height could be
18 to 19 feet above the natural grade in the most severe condition.
Commissioner D. Harris stated that he was in sympathy with the
homeowners; that a six foot high perimeter wall was not pleasing; that
• the applicant should redesign the plan and place a wall around each
single family residence; that he objected to the roof lines because of
view obstruction; that the homeowners will be affected by the grading
and excavation; and that he could not support the project.
In reply to a question by Commissioner Service, Planning Director stated
that if these were single family residences, the wall height limit would
be six feet; that smaller homes would be allowed; and that the typical
height on La Mirada is between 15' and 15' 6".
Commissioner Service stated that each house is walled and the only
portion that is condominium is sharing the cost of common areas; noted
that the project is like the Fern Canyon tract, which is a single family
residential neighborhood; that each home will be custom designed and the
houses will all be built at or near the same time; that the grading plan
disrupts the least since the residences will be built at one time with
individual review by the AAC; and building individual homes would have
more impact than the proposed project.
Chairman agreed with Commissioner Service and stated that the word
"condominium" has a bad connotation; the project is really single family
residential ; and that the Commission has control of the entire area at
one time.
Commissioner Service suggested that a sight line study from neighboring
houses be required by the Commission as each house is reviewed.
• Commissioner Allan agreed and stated that she was concerned about the
impact on the neighboring property owners on the east; that she could
not support the project if the neighbors were going to be viewing a high
wall; that in the past an applicant was required to remove two feet from
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• CASE 5.0217-CUP & TTM 18507 (Cont'd. )
his roof height in another case; and questioned whether or not the
proposed project is receiving a special privilege.
Planning Director stated that there are some cases on Fern Canyon Drive
where lots were lowered to meet a grade or for other circumstances; that
there may be lots that are below natural grade; and that condition is
present on Fern Canyon Drive on some lots.
Commissioner D. Harris stated that the Commission should be certain
about the wall height.
In reply to a question by Commissioner D. Harris, Planning Director
stated that percolation testing has been done and reviewed by the
required agencies and hopefully by the time the project is built, the
City sewer system will be available.
Discussion of the wall height and future Commission review of the
project followed. Mr. Lapham stated that he would respect the height of
the present walls. Planning Director stated that each house will be
reviewed by the Commission.
Motion was made by Madsen, seconded by Koetting, and unanimously carried
(Christian absent; D. Harris dissented) ordering the preparation of a
• draft Negative Declaration and tentatively approving Case 5.0217-CUP and
TTM 18507 subject to all AAC, Development Committee, and staff
recommendations with the additional conditions that the wall height of
existing homes be respected by the developer and that a sight line study
be required for each home and continuing the case and map to April 28
for final review.
Tribal Council comments:
"The Tribal Council , at its meeting of March 23, 1982, approved the
Conditional Use Permit and Tentative Tract Map No. 18507 subject to the
conditions recommended by Staff, with the following exception:
Action on the condition requiring payment of drainage fees was
withheld pending receipt and review of the benefit-cost analysis
to be prepared by the City Staff.
Action on the preparation of a draft Negative Declaration was withheld
pending receipt and review of the Environmental Assessment/Initial
Study.
The Environmental Assessment/Initial Study and the Planning Commission
Meeting Minutes of March 24, 1982 have been reviewed by the Tribal
Planning Consultant. The detailed site analysis to be presented by
Staff on April 14 was not available for review.
• After consideration of the recommendations of the Indian Plannig
Commissioner, the Tribal Council reiterated its action of March 23 to
approve the Conditional Use Permit and Tentative Tract Map No. 18507,
and approved the preparation of a draft Negative Declaration with the
added mitigation measures recommended by Staff."
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CASE 5.0221-CUP. Application by Y. DENEBEIM for conditional use permit to
allow a daily prayer chapel on Avenida Ortega between Via Salida/Calle
Palo Fierro, R-3 Zone, Section 23.
(This action is categorically exempt from environmental assessment per
CEQA. )
Chairman stated that the application was requested to be continued by
the applicant to the April 28 meeting and asked persons in the audience
to speak if they could not be present on that date.
Chairman declared the hearing.
D. McGettigan, 1670 Via Salida, owner of Aladdin's Lamp Hotel ,
questioned the reasons for continuance. Chairman replied that it was
the perogative of the applicant and another continuance could be
requested if it were necessary. Mr. McGettigan spoke in opposition to
the project and presented a petition from 21 residents and businessmen
also in opposition. He then gave a history of the property and stated
that work on the existing duplex was done without building permits; that
meetings were held at odd hours; that his business had suffered; that a
school was being conducted; that there had been no enforcement of any
kind; that garbage is stored behind the building; that large groups were
attending meetings; that the applicant has been allowed occupancy
without permits and is conducting a synagogue or temple; that the septic
• tank is inadequate and causes a stench; and that he would attend the
April 28 meeting and provide further input.
J. Gilbert, 350 E. Palm Canyon Drive, requested that the number of
continuances by the applicant be restricted. Chairman stated that the
continuances allowed would be reasonable.
In reply to a question by Commissioner Koetting, Planning Director
stated that the use is illegal at the present time and gave a brief
history of the proposal ; that notices of code violation have been sent
but have been disregarded and the applicant is conducting a large scale
religious facility and at times, a private school ; that staff has worked
with the rabbi to require an application to be submitted for Commission
review, but that no complaints were received until March 10, at which
time the application had already been received and scheduled for
Commission action.
Chairman requested staff to begin the process of a cease and desist
order until the application can be reviewed by the Commission. There
was a Commission consensus to the proposal by Chairman.
Planning Director stated that staff would confer with the City Attorney
relative to legal action to discontinue the use.
Discussion followed on obtaining a cease and desist order. Chairman
suggested that a resolution be prepared.
• Motion was made by Allan, seconded by Service, and unanimously carried
(Christian absent) ordering the preparation of a resolution ordering the
applicant to cease and desist from the use of the facility as a
school/synagogue until a CUP is approved.
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CASE 5.0223-CUP. Application by COBLE-BRAMLETT CONSTRUCTION AND INVESTMENT
COMPANY for a conditional use permit to allow offices at 1445 N.
Sunrise Way between Vista Chino/Chia Road, R-2 Zone, Section 11.
(This action is categorically exempt from environmental assessment per
CEQA. )
Planner III presented the staff report including findings,
recommendation and direction for Commission action. He then read the
conditions of approval of Ref. Case 5.0220-MISC. which pertained to the
project and stated that no upgrading has been started at this point;
that the CUP, if approved, will allow medical uses; and that the project
has adequate parking.
Discussion followed on how the amount of required parking spaces was
determined.
Commissioner D. Harris stated that the facility should be required to
have fire sprinklers if it is over 10,000 sq. ft. Planner III stated
that the Fire Department has not required this in the Development
Committee Minutes.
In reply to questions by Commissioner D. Harris, Planning Director
stated that the Building Department did not require a grease trap in
Development Committee but it might be required on the extensive
• correction list; and that building inspection requirements have not been
met. Commissioner D. Harris commented that no approval should be given
until conditions are corrected. Planning Director stated that the CUP
will not be in effect until Development Committee recommendations are
met.
In reply to a question by Chairman, Planning Director stated that there
is an open space deficiency but that the situation is unique in that the
facility is existing; that 50% open space could probably be generated by
removal of the turnaround driveway but questioned whether or not it
would be a significant improvement to the property.
Discussion followed regarding removal of the turn-around and two parking
areas which could be landscaped to create more open space. Planning
Director stated that the removal of these areas would bring the building
more into line with the current standards and perhaps eliminate the
conflict with the other uses on the property.
Discussion continued relative to a Health Department inspection of the
kitchen for installation of a grease trap. Planner III stated that he
would contact the Building Division for an answer; that the restaurant
had been operating for a long time; and that the CUP application was
made to make the operation legal . Commissioner Koetting stated that the
applicant should be required to comply with the City's regulations.
Planning Director stated that there were no future commercial office
spaces requested in the application.
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CASE 5.0223-CUP (Cont'd.)
In reply to a question by Commissioner Koetting, Planning Director
stated that the Traffic Engineer feels that existing lighting levels on
major thoroughfares is inadequate since lack of lighting contributes to
some accidents and that the restaurant is a nighttime use and requires
some type of lighting; that the Traffic Engineer is trying to obtain
street lighting on major thoroughfares; and that existing parking on the
project is 103 spaces.
Chairman declared the hearing open.
B. Bramblett, 3185 San Luis Rey, representing the applicant, stated that
although the parking required may have been calculated on 10,000 sq.
ft. , of building space, there are only 7,500 sq. ft. ; that the entire
site plan was approved in 1970, including the condominium on the south
portion of the property; that the parking slots met City standards of
that time; that there is an existing grease trap that may be
substandard, but it has been inspected by the Health Department and the
restaurant is authorized to open; that the applicant has begun to comply
with the Council conditions; that the improvements have not been
completed; that the applicant accepts the conditions of the CUP; that
the circular driveway has been used for valet parking; that the
restaurant is one-half of the its size of ten years ago; and that he was
present to answer questions.
• There being no further appearances, the hearing was closed.
Planner III described the existing wall between the restaurant and the
condominiums as being four to six feet in height.
In reply to a question by Commissioner Allan, Planner III stated that
the application for a CUP was to make the office operation legal .
Commissioner Allan commented that she could not remember the Commission
granting such a large deficiency in open space in other cases, and that
she would like to see a site plan with more landscaping as a buffer
between the restaurant and the condominiums.
In reply to a question by Commissioner Koetting, Planning Director
stated that because the use is illegal at the present time, the City
could close down the office use until a CUP is received and that if
denied by the Commission, the City could preclude further use of the
building for offices; but that the applicant has shown good faith in
applying for a CUP; and that legal action is not a necessity in staff's
opinion.
Mr. Bramblett stated that there have been office and restaurant uses in
the building for 12 to 13 years and although illegal , they have been
functioning; that the applicant realizes that the uses were illegal and
has taken steps for correction; that the current type of use is less of
• a problem than in the past and suggested that a timetable be established
for upgrading of the building; and requested that some conditions be
open as far as conditions of approval before a timetable is set.
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. CASE 5.0223-CUP (Cont'd. )
Commissioner D. Harris stated that he would not vote for a project that
is in violation of ordinances.
Motion was made by Madsen and seconded by Service to approve the
application subject to the conditions of the AAC and Development
Committee. The vote was as follows:
AYES: Madsen, Service
NOES: Allan, D. Harris, Koetting, M. Harris
ABSENT: Christian
The motion was defeated.
Motion was made by Allan, seconded by Koetting, and carried (Christian
absent, Madsen dissented) to continue the application to allow site
redesign to meet open space requirements and establish a time frame to
begin and complete alterations to bring the building up to R-2
standards. The application was continued to the April 28, 1982, meeting.
CASE 6.323-VARIANCE. Application W. BURNETT for a variance from rear and
sideyard setbacks to allow construction of a storage building at 3735
• Camino San Simeon, R-1-D Zone, Section 19.
(This action is categorically exempt from environmental assessment per
CEQA. )
Planning Director presented the staff report including findings,
recommendations and direction for Commission action and described the
project on the display board. He explained that the slab was put in by
a previous owner and improved by the applicant.
Chairman declared the hearing open.
W. Burnett, 3735 Camino San Simeon, the applicant, stated that
electrical service was disrupted in rainstorms because the electrical
service for the house is installed in the pool area and he wanted to put
a cover over the service; that none of his neighbors is opposed to the
application; that there would be no water runoff on neighboring
property; and that there was glass enclosing the original construction.
In reply to a question by Chairman, Mr. Burnett stated that he could
build a low cover over the electrical service, but that it would be only
seven feet and he wanted to comply with City specifications; and that
the construction is already in existence.
Mrs. J. Knott, 3790 Camino San Rafael , spoke in opposition to the
application stated that the original structure had no glass on it; that
• the pool equipment had been housed in a pit; that the applicant has
started construction on a room which abuts the house; that the structure
is too close to the fence and shows above it; that it will depreciate
property values in the neighborhood; that the cabana was pre-existing
and that the applicant had begun construction of a room without permit.
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• CASE 6.323-VARIANCE (Cont'd. )
She noted that she owned another house in the neighborhood which had
construction complying with City regulation; that the applicant' s home
is a fire hazard and if approved would establish a precedent; and that
water will run off onto her property.
M. Logan, 3781 San Miguel , stated that the cabana is one-third of the
size of the house and could not be a storage room; that the smaller the
lot is, the more a structure of this size will deviate from code; that
approving the variance would establish a precedent; that the structure
appears to be living quarters; that approval should not be given after
the structure is completed; and that if approved it would affect the
neighborhood.
R. Seaman, a neighbor of the Knott's, stated that in his experience as a
pool contractor, the electrical problem is not due to the pool pit, but
could be caused by wiring the pool electrical service into the house
service; and also stated that he did not approve the project.
N. Williams, 3712 Camino San Miguel , stated that if the variance were
approved, the building would block his view; and that he was familiar
with the problem since there is a large patio cover behind his home. He
noted that by allowing such a structure, the lot would become even more
substandard and stated that the Veterans' Tract required the City's
• examination and should be upgraded.
W. Burnett (rebuttal ) stated that he could not see why people would
object since nothing had been said about the original structure, and the
problem could not be appreciated unless it were seen by the Commission.
Commissioner Service stated that the question was not about pool pit
equipment, but about an application to build a room against the property
line.
Mr. Burnett stated that the Commission should review the pictures of the
property and that he could repair the same structure with good material
and complete it as it was. He reiterated that he was requesting to
return the structure to its original condition.
In reply to a question by Commissioner Koetting, Mr. Burnett stated that
he was going to use the room for storage but that it will not be
connected to the house and he wanted to repair the original cabana.
Planning Director explained that the pictures of the cabana appeared to
be as it was originally and that there was some older construction which
was an open trellis type of patio cover which the applicant was
reconstructing adjacent to the pool; and to rebuild the trellis would
require a variance.
Commissioner D. Harris stated that he could see no reason for having a
• problem when it rained, and that an electrical contractor should be
retained by the applicant.
Motion was made by Service, seconded by Allan, and unanimously carried
(Christian absent) denying the application for a variance.
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CASE 6.323-VARIANCE (Cont'd. )
Chairman requested that staff enforce the denial .
PUBLIC COMMENTS
Mrs. J. Knott, 3790 Camino San Rafael , questioned whether or not Mr. Burnett
could appeal the denial of the variance. Chairman stated that he could and
the homeowners would be notified if the application were appealed.
R. Mainiero, engineer for Tentative Tract Map 18329 & Case 3.475, asked the
cost of a bus stop for the Equitec project (TTM 18329). Planner III stated
that it would be required to be designed with the project.
Mr. Mainiero then requested that there be a reduction in current requirements
(subject to flood control and engineering requirements) for Case 3.475 if the
flood control issue, which is being appealed, is resolved.
He also requested permission for the project to be phased.
Chairman stated that Case 3.475 would be addressed since the applicant was
. discussing conditions of approval during the Public Comments section.
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ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT ITEMS
Environmental evaluation reports were received by the Commission for
their review and study prior to the Planning Commission meeting.
Further review may be dispensed with and all items approved by motion.
CASE 3.475 (Ref. 5.0224-CUP & 6.322-VARIANCE). Application by JIMSAIR
AVIATION for architectural approval of a fixed base operation at Palm
Springs Municipal Airport on Bogie Road between Vista Chino/Ramon Road,
"A" Zone, Section 18.
(Environmental assessment)
R. Mainiero, the applicant, requested that some of the fire hydrants on
public property, requiring backflow devices costing $10,000 each, be
placed on private property to save money. He stated that each
individual hydrant has a separate tap.
Discussion followed on resolution of the problem regarding fire
hydrants. Planner III stated that staff would have time to work with
the Fire Department since the environmental assessment only is being
reviewed and that there were two weeks before the next meeting; and that
the Commission would review the site plan at the April 28 meeting.
Mr. Mainiero stated that the Desert Water Agency (DWA) requires a
• backflow tap. Commissioner D. Harris stated that the backflow procedure
is required to protect the water supply if the hydrants are hidden from
view and are vulnerable to cross connection; and that possibly the
requirement could be mitigated.
Commissioner Koetting stated that he could see only one hydrant near the
property line and the rest were behind buildings.
Chairman read the case number into the record.
Discussion continued on the location of the fire hydrants. Commissioner
Koetting stated that sometimes the DWA and Fire Department requirements
conflict. Planner III reiterated that only the environmental assessment
was being reviewed with the variance and CUP to be reviewed at the April
28 meeting. He then presented the environmental assessment/initial
study report.
Commissioner Service stated that the EIR done on the Specific Plan of
the Airport was on the airport operation, not on the physical airport
facilities. Planner III stated that staff was addressing construction
activities; that the "Public Fiscal Balance" portion should be
eliminated and will be revised by staff; and that staff feels that the
proposed convenience market does not meet the "A" Zone standards; and
that the sign program needs review. After presenting the project on the
display board, Planner III stated that the Federal Flood Insurance Maps
do not reflect the Whitewater River Dike.
• Planning Director stated that architectural approval was not to be
reviewed at this time but would be reviewed at the April 28 meeting when
the CUP and variance are heard.
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CASE 3.475 (Cont'd. )
H. Williams, 690 Sierra Way, the applicant, described the project and
stated that it would add income to the City; that the improvements would
accrue to the City if the project were abandoned which is unlikely since
JIMSAIR is a sound company; that the project will remove some of the
general aircraft noise to the east side of the airport; that some of the
concerns can be addressed at the April 28 meeting but that there are no
objections to most of the environmental assessment conditions.
In reply to a question by Commissioner Koetting, Planning Director
stated that the Specific Plan discusses the noise issue; that there is
an Airport Master Plan Study underway by a private consultant which
probably will be completed by the end of the year; and that the Master
Plan has been discussed with the Airport Manager and the project area is
earmarked for a fixed base operation.
Mr. Williams stated that the project has been deemed consistent by the
consultants with the Airport Plan. He then described the metal hanger
buildings and stated that they would be screened by landscaping.
Discussion followed on the location and capacity of the hangars. Mr.
Williams stated that the hangars were grouped to meet FAA setback
requirements for the runway; that the hangars can accommodate 727 's ,
which have become executive aircraft as well as commuter airline planes
for maintenance; that occasionally there will be jet "runups" but with
no more frequency than in the past; that the developer would object to
soundproofing the hangars; that Combs-Gates has an expansion problem in
that the west side of the airport has no more room for FBO operations;
that general aviation is on the east side for noise abatement and
accessibility; that Combs-Gates probably would not move to the east side
of the field; that the JIMSAIR project proposal is the total project and
would not repeat to the north; but that JIMSAIR has an option on
property south of the operation for accommodation of T-hangars if it
becomes feasible.
Motion was made by Allan, seconded by Koetting and unanimously carried
(Christian absent) ordering the preparation of a draft Negative
Declaration and continuing further review of the project to the April 28
meeting for review in conjunction with Cases 5.0224-CUP and Variance
6.322.
TENTATIVE TRACT MAP 18329. Application by MAINIERO, SMITH & ASSOC. for
Equitec-80 for subdivision of land for industrial purposes on Bogie
Road/San Joaquin Dr., north of Mission Dr. , M-1-P Zone, Section 18.
(Environmental assessment and tentative approval .)
Planner III stated that the EA report was basically the same as that for
Case 3.475 and explained the Development Committee recommendations,
• including Planning requirements.
Planning Director stated that a former staff member has requested that
the masonry wall along San Joaquin be eliminated because of graffiti ;
and that perhaps a chain link fence or landscaping should be considered.
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TENTATIVE TRACT MAP 18329 (Cont'd.)
Discussion followed regarding this request.
Commissioner Service stated that in his experience, Bouganvillia can be
planted against the wall to eliminate grafitti.
Motion was made by Service, seconded by Madsen, and unanimously carried
(Christian absent) ordering the preparation of a draft Negative
Declaration, tentatively approving TTM 18329 subject to the conditions
outlined in the Development Committee recommendations; continuing the
application to the April 28 Consent Agenda for further review and
action.
MISCELLANEOUS ITEMS
CASE 3.446. Application by SCHNECK AVIATION for deletion of condition of
approval for fixed base operation at Palm Springs Airport, "A" Zone,
Section 13.
Planning Director stated that the Airport Manager has stated that there
is no necessity for the oleanders along the north and east boundaries of
the Schneck Aviation project; and that staff would recommend deletion of
the requirement.
Motion was made by Koetting, seconded by Service, and unanimously
carried (Christian absent) deleting the condition that oleanders be
planted along the north and east boundaries of the project.
TIME EXTENSION - TTM 17642. Request by C. G. ENGINEERING for FREDRICKS/AFCOM
for a one-year time extension of a subdivision of land for an affordable
housing project on the northwest corner of Sunrise Way/San Rafael
Drive, 0-5 Zone, Section 35.
Planning Director stated that the applicant is requesting a time
extension to record the various phases of the project.
Motion was made by D. Harris, seconded by Koetting, and unanimously
carried (Christian absent) approving a two-year time extension (to May
6, 1984) with no additional conditions for TTM 17642.
DISCUSSION. Commission discussion of Council request for Commission
determination on zoning location and criteria for rummage sales, City-
wide.
Planning Director stated that there have been rummage sales on Palm
Canyon Drive for a long time and Council has concerns about them,
especially during the season; and that staff would make the
determination that rummage sales are not allowable in C-1 and C-2 Zones.
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• DISCUSSION (Cont'd. )
Discussion followed regarding the operation of the Farmer's Market.
Planning Director stated that it is operating under a Government program
on City-owned land and is approved by the Director of Community
Development and the City Manager; and that the concern was for ongoing
rummage sales within buildings.
In reply to a question by Commissioner Allan regarding PTA rummage
sales, Planning Director stated that schools are not subject to zoning
ordinances.
Planning Director stated that the C-B-D Zone should be included in the
determination.
In reply to a question by Commissioner Koetting, Planning Director
stated that staff could develop an ordinance to allow staff approval and
a requirement for business licenses for rummage sales.
Motion was made by Service, seconded by D. Harris, and unanimously
carried (Christian absent) determining (Case 11.321 ) that rummage sales
be allowed in industrial zones only, later amended to include the
following: "unless approved elsewhere by the Director of Community
Development and not to exceed three days".
. In reply to a question by Commissioner Allan, Planning Director stated
that charity rummage sales are allowed in City facilities "0" Zone.
ARCHITECTURAL APPROVAL ITEMS
The Planning Commission reviewed plans, discussed, and took action on
the following items involving architectural approval subject to the
conditions as outlined.
CASE 3.458. Application by SICARD-ALTIVERO for R. Poplawski for architectural
approval of office/warehouse in business park on Research Drive between
Farrell Drive/Computer Way, M-1-P Zone, Section 12.
Motion was made by Madsen, seconded by Allan, and unanimously carried
(Christian absent) approving the application subject to the following
conditions:
1. That all recommendations of the Development Committee be met.
2. Where the grade transition occurs, the fascia element of the
architecture remain as one horizontal plane.
3. That final finish and color samples be submitted to the AAC for
• approval .
4. That final landscape, irrigation and exterior lighting plans be
submitted.
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. CASE 3.486 & TTM 18280. Application by J. CIOFFI for architectural approval
of addition and remodel of bar, lounge, and additional parking for Billy
Reed's restaurant north Palm Canyon Drive between Vista Chino/Via
Escuela, C-1 and R-3 Zones, Section 3.
Commission response to written comments on draft Negative Declaration,
action for filing and final approval of case & map. No comments
received.
Motion was made by Madsen, seconded by Service, and unanimously carried
(Christian absent) approving the application subject to the following
conditions:
1. That all recommendations of the Development Committee be met.
2. That the exterior be brick.
3. That detailed landscape, irrigation and exterior lighting be
submitted.
CONSENT AGENDA
The following items are routine in nature and have been reviewed by the
. Planning Commission, AAC, and staff. No further review is required, and
all items are approved by one blanket motion upon unanimous consent.
Motion was made by Koetting, seconded by Allan, and unanimously carried
(Christian absent) approving the following applications subject to all
conditions of staff, Development Committee and the AAC as follows and
ordering the filing of a Negative Declaration as indicated:
CASE 2.977. Application by D. JUNG for architectural approval of landscape
plans for Phase II of 66-unit residential condominium project on South
Palm Canyon Drive/Avenida Granada, R-2 Zone, Section 35.
Approved as submitted.
CASE 3.053. Application by W. WALSH for Sands Hotel for architectural
approval of carports for condominium project at 1983 N. Palm Canyon
Drive, C-1 & R-3 Zones, Section 3.
Approved as submitted.
CASE 3.403. Application by KAPTUR ASSOC. for Heathman-Hill Assoc. for
architectural approval of revised bank elevations for professional
office complex on Tahquitz-McCallum Way between Avenida
Caballeros/Hermosa Drive, C-1-AA & R-4-VP Zones (I.L. ), Section 14.
Approved as submitted.
• Abstention: M. Harris
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• CASE 3.403 (Cont'd. )
Tribal Council comments:
"The project is adjacent to the easterly boundry of the Tribal Cemetery.
In view of the possible visual impact on the Cemetery, the building
elevations and the site and landscaping plans were reviewed by the
Indian Planning Commission and the Tribal Council at the time of
architectural approval .
The Tribal Council , at its meeting of March 9, 1982, approved the
revised elevations for the bank. This approval was conditioned on the
earlier agreement and understanding with the applicant that he will
install and maintain a landscape buffer at his expense, on the Tribal
Cemetery grounds adjacent to the project if deemed necessary and so
requested by the Tribal Council at the time of a followup site
inspection.
The Tribal Planning Consultant has been advised by the architect's
office (Kaptur Assoc. ) that the latest revisions to the elevations for
the bank involve an architectural detail , and would have no visual
impact on the Tribal Cemetery.
After consideration of the recommendations of the Indian Planning
Commissioners, the Tribal Council reiterated its action of March 9 to
. approve the revised elevations for the bank, subject to the agreement
and understanding with the applicant as noted above."
ARCHITECTURAL APPROVAL ITEMS (Cont'd. )
CASE 3.432. Application by G. BOUTON for J. Hicks for architectural approval
of repaint of exterior of building on North Palm Canyon Drive/Tamarisk
Road, C-1 Zone, Section 10.
Chairman abstained; Vice-Chairman presided.
Planning Director described the proposed colors of the building as off-
white against brown stone next to a greenish color.
Motion was made by Allan, seconded by D. Harris, and unanimously carried
(Christian absent; Madsen & M. Harris abstained) approving the
application subject to the following condition: that the green color be
returned under the soffit.
SIGN APPLICATION. Application by COMMERCIAL SIGN COMPANY for architectural
approval of logo for Crocker Bank at 1711 East Palm Canyon Drive, C-D-N
Zone, Section 25.
Planning Director stated that logos originally were not allowed on
buildings in the City but are now reviewed on an individual basis.
Motion was made by Service, seconded by D. Harris, and unanimously
carried (Christian absent) approving the sign application (logo) subject
to the following condition:
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SIGN APPLICATION (Cont'd. )
That the logo be placed next to the permitted sign. (The size as
submitted is approved.)
SIGN APPLICATION. Application by G. MATTHEWS for architectural approval of
gas rate sign for Arco Station at 3689 North Indian Avenue, C-M Zone,
Section 34.
Motion was made by Service, seconded by Koetting, and unanimously
carried (Christian absent) approving the sign application subject to the
following conditions:
1. That the sign have an all blue background with white lettering and
numerals.
2. That the numerals conform to the six inch maximum size.
3. That the self-service letters conform to the six inch maximum
size.
4. That the grade of gasoline letters conform to the two inch maximum
size.
CONTINUED ITEMS
CASE 2.960. Application by CHRISTIAN ASSOCIATES for architectural approval
of palm tree lights for The Vineyard retail complex on S. Palm Canyon
Drive/Baristo Road, C-B-DD. Zone, Section 15.
Continued for Planning Commission review and/or guidelines per AAC
request.
CASE 3.487 (Cont'd. ) . Application by J. CIOFFI for W. Lansdale for
architectural approval of single family residence on private road, 0-20
Zone, Section 25. (Environmental assessment and tentative architectural
approval . )
Continued at the applicant's request.
TENTATIVE TRACT MAP 18126 AND CASE 3.439. Application by ERVIN ENGINEERING
for J. Cain for architectural approval of final grading and landscape
plans for residential condominium project on Vista Chino between
Cerritos Road/Sunrise Way, R-G-A (6) Zone, Section 12.
Continued for submission of detailed landscape plans.
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COMMISSION REPORTS, REQUESTS AND DISCUSSION
Date of Planning Commission review of Case 5.0216-CZ (denial which was
overruled by City Council) . Planning Director stated that no public
hearing had been scheduled pending staff review of the case.
P. Tynberg (Tentative Tract Map 16759). Explanation of City Council
motion. Planning Director stated that the motion was to approve the
setback reduction only on the tennis court on the wash side of the
project, not on the exterior or interior boundaries, although there was
some confusion regarding the motion. He stated that the applicant will
redesign the boundaries.
Bank of Palm Springs - removal of temporary building. Planning Director
stated that it would be removed, but no date has been established.
(Case 3.309)
Noise Ordinance. Planning Director stated that it probably would be
scheduled for the May 27 meeting. In reply to a question by
Commissioner Service, he stated that the problem reflected in Case
5.0221-CUP is really a zoning question and does not pertain to the Noise
Ordinance; that the City has had very little problem with religious
groups; and the CUP process is more effective in this case.
Electronic Game Arcades. Planning Director stated that no date has been
scheduled for public hearing because the arcade ordinance is still being
• developed.
April 21 study session. Planning Director stated that there was no
urgent item to be discussed for that date and requested that the study
session not be held because of a conflict with a management meeting
called by the City Manager.
Video Tape. Planning Director stated that a good video tape regarding
open space will be shown at a future meeting.
- Letter from E. Dobbs. Commissioner Allan stated that she had read the
letter from Mr. Dobbs relative to Case 5.0221-CUP.
Status of Review of Timeshare Ordinance. Commissioner D. Harris
requested the status of the review of the Timeshare Ordinance regarding
projects under 12 units. Planning Director stated that he had written a
memo to the City Attorney but had not yet received a reply; that a new
Assistant City Attorney (Siegfried Siefkes) has been retained who has
been assigned primarily to Community Development and will be attending
Plannng Commission meetings on a full-time basis; that Mr. Siefkes has
been in the City of San Bernardino and is knowledgeable about Commission
function and zoning so there should be more timely input from the City
Attorney's office in the future.
In reply to a question by Commissioner Allan, Planning Director stated
that decisions of the Assistant City Attorney assigned to the Planning
• Division and Planning Commission would still be subject to the City
Attorney's final decision.
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COMMISSION REPORTS, REQUESTS AND DISCUSSION (Cont'd. )
Commissioner Allan stated that after her term expired, she had been
going to speak in the public comments section of a Planning Commission
meeting to request that an attorney be assigned to the Planning
Commission for its protection.
Planning Director stated that the new Assistant City Attorney will also
meet with the Planning Director and Planning Commission Chairman on a
regular basis before meetings to review problems.
Case 5.0216-CZ (Continued) . Planning Director stated that the item
would possibly not be scheduled until July for a General Plan Amendment
or under a PD for finding that the proposal is consistent with the
General Plan.
New City Council . Planning Director stated that the recently elected
Mayor and two City Councilmembers will be seated on the Council at the
April 21 meeting.
Case 5.0216-CZ (Continued) . Planning Director stated that the applicant
in this case has spoken to the new Council members and indicates to
staff that he sees no problem with his re-application; that he has told
the applicant that the Commission may still deny the project and send it
on to the Council for action. Commissioner Allan commented that the
Council wishes the traffic problem to be alleviated although the project
will add to the problem.
- Bogie Road Bridge. Commissioner Koetting stated that the Bogie Road
Bridge is to be widened to four lanes.
Introduction of two new planners. Planning Director introduced Robert
Green, Planner II from England, and Stephen Graham, Planner II from New
England.
ADJOURNMENT
There being no further business to discuss, Chairman adjourned the
meeting at 5:35 p.m.
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