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Home My WebLink AboutF12 MB202950001 Dickey Transcript Lemuel Kinney_RedactedINCIDENT REPORT DATE PREPARED: 05/25/2021 RIVERSIDE COUNTY SHERIFF CA0330000 INITIAL El SUPPLEMENTAL I. FILE NUMBER MB 20 295 0001 2. DATE/TIME REPORTED 10/21/2020 0045 3. DATE/TIME ASSIGNED 10/21/2020 0045 4. DATE/TIME INV. START 10/21/2020 0045 5. DATEMME INV. TERM 10/21/2020 2300 6. ADULT ARR 2 7. JUV ARR 0 8. OFFENSES - CODE SECTION CRIME COUNTS A.O.D. (no change) Assist Other Department - P.S.P.D. 01 9 EDP CODE 25A2-N 10. OFFENSES - CODE SECTION (Add or Change to) CRIME COUNTS O.I.S. Officer Involved Shooting - Non-Injury 01 11. EDP CODE 13C8-N 12. OFFENSES — CODE SECTION (Add or Change to) CRIME COUNTS 211 PC Robbery 01 13. EDP CODE 12F1-F 14. LOCATION OF OCCURRENCE 401 East Amado Road, Palm Springs 15. REP. DIST. RD161 16. OCCURRED ON- DATE/TIME 10/21/2020 0045 17. OR BETWEEN DATE/TIME 10/21/2020 0215 18. BUSINESS NAME Agua Caliente Casino 19. BUSINESS PHONE 20. CASE STATUS/ CLEARANCE Arrest 21. WAS THIS INCIDENT RELATED TO MARIJUANA? E YES Ili NO (If yes, briefly include in narrative or additional details how it was related) 22. BWC VIDEO (CAPTURED BY YOU OR ANY OTHER DEPARTMENT MEMBER) Iii YES I NO VICTIM - REPORTING PARTY - WITNESS - OTHERS: 23. INVL . " Oth 24. NAME (Last, First. Middle) Palm Springs Police Officer Etchason # 15902 25. SEX 26. RACE 27. DOB 28. AGE 29. HT 30. WT 3I. HAIR 32. EYES 33. SKIN 34. RESIDENCE ADDRESS CITY ZIP N/O 35. EMAIL ADDRESS 36. RES. PHONE 37. BUSINESS ADDRESS CITY ZIP 200 South Civic Drive Palm Springs, CA 92262 38. EMAIL ADDRESS 39. BUS. PHONE 760 323 8116 40. INVL 41. NAME (Last. First. Middle) 42. SEX 43. RACE 44. DOB 45. AGE 46. HT 47. WT 48. HAIR 49. EYES 50. SKIN 51. RESIDENCE ADDRESS CITY ZIP 52. EMAIL ADDRESS 53. RES. PHONE 54. BUSINESS ADDRESS CITY ZIP 55. EMAIL ADDRESS 56. BUS. PHONE SEE ADDITIONAL PERSONS REPORT SUSPECT EI ADULT El JUVENILE 57. SUS SI, 58. NAME (Last, First. Middle) Kinney, Lemuel III (PB) 59. SEX M 60. RACE B 61. DOB 10/11/1996 62. AGE 24 63. HT 510 64. WT 220 65. HAIR- Blk 66. EYES Bro 67. SKIN 76. BUSINESS ADDRESS CITY ZIP Parole CDC # AW4065 77. EMAIL ADDRESS 78. BUS. PHONE None EI PAROLE q PROBATION El SEE ADDITIONAL PERSONS REPORT El ARRESTED 79. JUVENILE DISPOSITION OTHER JURIS. I IJUV. CRT. PROB. U WITI:IIN DEPT. ODETAINED ONOT DETAINED 80 GANG DATA GANG NAME(S): ti. TATTOOS/SCARS/MARKS/CLOTHING DESCRIPTION -Transcript of interview with Lemuel Kinney on 10/21/20 4204-2128' • Member • Associate • Self-Admit i Prior Knowledge TATTOOS / SCARS / MARKS a Face a Neck ri R. Arm O L. Arm il Hands O Torso ID Back VI Legs VEHICLE: 82. INVL 83. LICENSE 84. STATE 85. YEAR 86. MAKE 87. MODEL 88. BODY STYLE 89. S/L/Ft/O AUTO VALUE Code: $ 90. COLOR/COLOR 91. VIN # 92. OTHER IDENTIFIERS 93. DISPOSITION OF VEFIICLE 94. REGISTERED OWNER 95. ADDRESS CITY STATE ZIP 96. PHONE REFER TO CHP 180 FORM FOR STOLEN, RECOVERED, TOWED OR IMPOUNDED 0 PROPERTY REPORT ATTACHED FOR STOLEN, RECOVERED OR DAMAGED PROPERTY 97. DAMAGED PROPERTY VALUE REPORTING OFFICER Dickey OFFICER 1.D. 4204 REVIEM7D .11-IURM / f / "/ twi Z't #21q5. ENTERED BY/DATE ENTERED BY/DATE COPIES TO: SENT: APR CANCELLED: D0J-NCIC ENTERED: DOJ-NCIC CANCELLED Riverside County Sheriff-Incident Report Form A 435 (Revised 08-19-2019) INCIDENT REPORT DATE PREPARED: 05/25/2021 RIVERSIDE COUNTY SHERIFF CA0330000 1:3 INITIAL [3 SUPPLEMENTAL I. FILE NUMBER MB 20 295 0001 2. DATE/TIME REPORTED 10/21/2020 0045 3. DATE/TIME ASSIGNED 10/21/2020 0045 4. DATEMME INV. START 10/21/2020 0045 5. DATE/TIME INV. TERM 10/21/2020 2300 6, ADULT ARR 2 7. XV ARR 0 8. OFFENSES - CODE SECTION CRIME COUNTS A.O.D. (no change) Assist Other Department - P.S.P.D. 01 9 EDP CODE 25A2 -N 10. OFFENSES - CODE SECTION (Add or Change to) CRIME COUNTS O.I.S. Officer Involved Shooting - Non -Injury 01 11. EDP CODE 13C8-N 12. OFFENSES - CODE SECTION (Add or Change to) CRIME COUNTS 211 PC Robbery 01 13. EDP CODE 12F1 -F 14. LOCATION OF OCCURRENCE 401 East Amado Road, Palm Springs 15. REP. DIST. RD161 16. OCCURRED ON- DATEMME 10/21/2020 0045 17. OR BETWEEN DATE/TIME 10/21/2020 0215 18. BUSINESS NAME 19. BUSINESS PHONE 20. CASE STATUS/ CLEARANCE Arrest Agua Caliente Casino 21. WAS THIS INCIDENT RELATED TO MARIJUANA? r YES r NO (If yes, briefly include in narrative or additional details how it was related) 22. BWC VIDEO (CAPTURED BY YOU OR ANY OTHER DEPARTMENT MEMBER) t! YES r NO VICTIM - REPORTING PARTY - WITNESS - OTHERS: SEE ADDITIONAL PERSONS REPORT 23. INVL . • • .0th " 24. NAME (Last, First. Middle) Palm Springs Police Officer Etchason # 15902 25. SEX 26. RACE 27. DOB 28. AGE 29. HT 30. WT 31. HAIR 32. EYES 33. SKIN 34. RESIDENCE ADDRESS CITY ZIP N/O 35. EMAIL ADDRESS 36. RES. PHONE 37. BUSINESS ADDRESS CITY ZIP 200 South Civic Drive Palm Springs, CA 92262 38. EMAIL ADDRESS 39. BUS. PHONE 760 323 8116 40. INVL 41. NAME (Last, First, Middle) 42. SEX 43. RACE 44. DOB 45. AGE 46. HT 47. WT 48. HAIR 49. EYES 50. SKIN 51. RESIDENCE ADDRESS CITY ZIP 52. EMAIL ADDRESS 53. RES. PHONE 54. BUSINESS ADDRESS CITY ZIP 55. EMAIL ADDRESS 56. BUS. PHONE SUSPECT El ADULT El JUVENILE rn PAROLE LI PROBATION El SEE ADDITIONAL PERSONS REPORT Ei ARRESTED 57. SUS 4 . S1 58. NAME (Last, First. Middle) Kinney, Lemuel III (PB) 59. SEX M 60. RACE B 61. DOB 10/11/1996 62. AGE 24 63. HT 510 64. WT 220 65. HAIR Blk 66. EYES Bro 67. SKIN 68. DRIVER'S LICENSE NUMBER/ID NUMBER IN ESSI 69. STATE 70. SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER 71. MNI NUMBER 72. CH NUMBER 73. RESIDENCE ADDRESS CITY ZIP 74. EMAIL ADDRESS 75. RES. PHONE _ 76. BUSINESS ADDRESS CITY ZIP Parole CDC # AW4065 77. EMAIL ADDRESS 78. BUS. PHONE None 79 JUVENILE DISPOSITION I IOTHERJURIS. I IJUV. CRT. PROB. I IWITI-IIN DEPT. F1DETAINED F1NOT DETAINED 80 GANG NAME(S) GANG DATA si.TATTOOS/SCARS/MARKS/CLOTHING DESCRIPTION -Transcript of interview with Lemuel Kinney on 10/21/20: 4204-21241- • . ' , • ä Prior Knowledge • Member • Associate • Self Admit TATTOOS / SCARS / MARKS ä Face ä Neck a R. Arm O L. Arm ä Hands In Torso 13 Back ffl Legs VEHICLE: REFER TO CHP 180 FORM FOR STOLEN, RECOVERED, TOWED OR IMPOUNDED 82. IbTVI. 83. LICENSE 84. STATE 85. YEAR 86. MAKE 87. MODEL 88. BODY STYLE 89. S/L/R/O AUTO VALUE Co& $ 90. COLOR/COLOR 91. VIN 6 92. OTHER IDENTIFIERS 93. DISPOSITION OF VEHICLE 94. REGISTERED OWNER 95. ADDRESS CITY STATE ZIP 96. PHONE El PROPERTY REPORT ATTACHED FOR STOLEN, RECOVERED OR DAMAGED PROPERTY 97. DAMAGED PROPERTY VALUE REPORTING OFFICER Dickey OFFICER I.D. 4204 REVIESEC1.7D . 11-1URM #28Q55//164( 4 ENTERED BY/DATE ENTERED BY/DATE COPIES TO: SENT: CE APR CANCELLED: DOJ-NCIC ENTERED: Dal-Na CANCELLED Riverside CANLLED Riverside County Sheriff-Incident Report Form A 435 (Revised 08-19-2019) FILE NUMBER ADDITIONAL PERSONS REPORT PAGE 7_ MB 20 295 0001 SUSPECT: El Adult O Juvenile RIVERSIDE COUNTY SHERIFF CA0330000 Ig Parole El Probation El INITIAL 0 SUPPLEMENTAL [E] ARRESTED 1. SUS # S2 2. NAME (Last. First Middle) Love, Juquane William 3. SEX M 1. RACE B 5. DOB 070794 6. AGE 26 7. FIT 602 8. WT 290 9. HAIR Blk W. EYES Bro 11.SKIN 20. BUSINESS ADDRESS CITY ZIP Parole / CDC # AR5770 21. EMAIL 22, BUS. PHONE None 23 JUVENILE DISPOSITION: [ ] Other Juris. ] Juv. Crt. Prob. [ ] Within Dept. [ I Detained [ ] Not Detained 24. GANG DATA Gang Name(s): 25. TATTOOS/SCARS/MARKS/CLOTHING DESCRIPTION • Member MI Associate El Self Admit • Prior Knowledge TATTOOS/SCARS/MARKS O Face O Neck O R. Arm 0 L. Arm O Hands 0 Torso O Back O Legs SUSPECT: ID Adult O Juvenile O Parole O Probation 0 ARRESTED 26. SUS if 27. NAME (Last. First Middle) 28. SEX 29. RACE 30. DOB 3 I. AGE 32. HT 33. WT 34. HAIR 35. EYES 36. SKIN 37. DRIVERS LICENSE NUMBER/ID NUMBER 38. STATE 39. SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER 40. MNI NUMBER 41. CII NUMBER 42. RESIDENCE ADDRESS CITY ZIP 13. EMAIL 44. RES. PHONE 45. BUSINESS ADDRESS CITY ZIP 46. EMAIL 47. BUS. PHONE 4s. JUVENILE DISPOSITION: [ ] Other Juris. [ ] Juv. Crt. Prob. [ I Within Dept. [ ] Detained [ I Not Detained 49, GANG DATA Gang Name(s): so. TATTOOS/SCARS/MARKS/CLOTHING DESCRIPTION III Member III Associate • Self Admit III Prior Knowledge TATTOOS/SCARS/MARKS 0 Face O Neck CI R. Arm O L. Arm O Hands O Torso O Back O Legs SUSPECT: El Adult El Juvenile O Parole O Probation 0 ARRESTED 51. SUS N 52. NAME (Last. First Middle) 53. SEX 54. RACE 55. DOB 56. AGE 57. FIT 58. SET 59. HAIR 60. EYES 61.SKIN 62. DRIVERS LICENSE NUMBER/ID NUMBER 63. STATE 64. SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER 65. MNI NUMBER 66. CI] NUMBER 67. RESIDENCE ADDRESS CITY ZIP 68. EMAIL 69. RES. PHONE 70. BUSINESS ADDRESS CITY ZIP 71. EMAIL 72. BUS. PHONE 73. JUVENILE DISPOSITION: [ I Other Juris. I I Juv. Crt. Prob. [ ] Within Dept. [ I Detained 1 I Not Detained 74. GANG DATA Gang Name(s): 75. TATTOOS/SCARS/MARKS/CLOTHING DESCRIPTION • Member O Associate • Self Admit • Prior Knowledge TATTOOS/SCARS/MARKS O Face O Neck O R. Arm O L. Arm O Hands O Torso O Back O Legs tzt Riverside County Sheriff-Adpers (c) Form 452 (Revised 11-02-2017) FILE NUMBER ADDITIONAL PERSONS REPORT PAGE 7-- MB 20 295 0001 SUSPECT: (S1 Adult 0 Juvenile RIVERSIDE COUNTY SHERIFF CA0330000 Is) Parole 0 Probation Ell INITIAL 0 SUPPLEMENTAL [E] ARRESTED 1. SUS # 2. NAME (Last. First Middle) 3. SEX 1. RACE 5.003 6. AGE 7. HT 5,661 9. HAIR W. EYES I LSKIN S2 Love, Juquane William M B 070794 26 602 290 Blk Bro 12. DRIVERS LICENSE NUMBER/ID NUMBER 13 STATE 14. SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER NUMBER 17. RESIDENCE ADDRESS CITY ZIP 10 EMAIL I 19 RFS PIIONF. 20. BUSINESS ADDRESS Parole / CDC # AR5770 CITY ZIP 21. EMAIL 22. BUS. PHONE None 23 JUVENILE DISPOSITION: [ ] Other Juris. 24. Gang Name(s): GANG DATA ] Juv. Crt. Prob. [ ] Within Dept. 0 Member 0 Associate 0 Self Admit 0 Prior Knowledge 2$. [ ] Detained [ ] Not Detained TATTOOS/SCARS/MARKS/CLOTHING DESCRIPTION TATTOOS/SCARS/MARKS 0 Face Ei Neck El R. Arm El L. Arm ID Hands El Torso El Back 0 Legs SUSPECT: El Adult El Juvenile 0 Parole 0 Probation 0 ARRESTED 26. SUS # 27. NAME (Last First Middle) 28. SEX 29. RACE 30. DOB 31. AGE 32. HT 33. WT 34. HAIR 35. EYES 36. SKIN 37. DRIVERS LICENSE NUMBER/ID NUMBER 38. STATE 39. SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER 40, MNI NUMBER 41. CII NUMBER 42. RESIDENCE ADDRESS CITY ZIP 43. EMAIL 44. RES. PHONE 45. BUSINESS ADDRESS CITY ZIP 46. EMAIL 47. BUS. PHONE 48. JUVENILE DISPOSITION: [ ] Other Juris. [ I Juv. Crt. Prob. [ ] Within Dept. [ ] Detained [ ] Not Detained 49. GANG DATA Gang Name(s): so. TATTOOS/SCARS/MARKS/CLOTHING DESCRIPTION III Member IN Associate • Self Admit • Prior Knowledge TATTOOS/SCARS/MARKS El Face 0 Neck 0 R. Arm Ei L. Arm El Hands El Torso El Back Ei Legs SUSPECT: El Adult El Juvenile CI Parole El Probation 0 ARRESTED 51. SUS # 52. NAME (Last. First Middle) 53. SEX 54. RACE 55. DOB 56. AGE 57. HT 58. WT 59. HAIR 60. EYES 61.SKIN 62. DRIVERS LICENSE NUMBER/ID NUMBER 63. STATE 64. SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER 65. MNI NUMBER 66. C11 NUMBER 67. RESIDENCE ADDRESS CITY ZIP 68, EMAIL 69. RES. PHONE 70. BUSINESS ADDRESS CITY ZIP 71. EMAIL 72. BUS. PHONE 73. JUVENILE DISPOSITION: [ ] Other Juris. [ ] Juv. Crt. Prob. I I Within Dept. [ ] Detained [ ] Not Detained 74. GANG DATA Gang Name(s): 75. TATTOOS/SCARS/MARKS/CLOTHING DESCRIPTION • Member • Associate • Self Admit • Prior Knowledge TATTOOS/SCARS/MARKS 0 Face 0 Neck 0 R. Arm 0 L. Arm 0 Hands 0 Torso 0 Back El Legs Riverside County Sheriff-Adpers (c) Form 452 (Revised 11-02-2017) FILE NUMBER MB 20 295 0001 OTHERS: Page Number: CONTINUATION PAGE 1 LAW ENFORCEMENT 2 Sergeant Thurm # 2805 RSO/CHU 951 955 2777 3 Investigator Paz # 3327 RSO/CHU 951 955 2777 4 Investigator Gomez # 3018 RSO/CHU 951 955 2777 5 Investigator Mullins # 3586 RSO/CHU 951 955 2777 6 Investigator Juarez # 3626 RSO/CHU 951 955 2777 7 Investigator Stoyer # 2758 RSO/CHU 951 955 2777 8 9 Deputy District Attorney S. Paixao District Attorney's Office 760 863 8216 10 District Attorney Investigator S. Dusek District Attorney's Office 760 863 8216 11 12 Sergeant Torres PSPD 760 323 8116 13 14 ASSOCIATED CASE NUMBERS: 15 Palm Springs Police Department # 2010P-5280 (unknown victim) 16 RSO Report # S202950004 (victim 17 Palm Springs Police Department # 2010P-5303 (victim 18 19 20 EVIDENCE: 21 22 ITEM DESCRIPTION 23 24 JD01 DISC containing transcript of interview with Lemuel Kinney on 10/21/20 25 (barcode 2382112) 26 27 ATTACHMENTS: 28 29 ITEM QUANTITY DESCRIPTION 30 31 A 1 page Evidence print out 32 33 B 16 pages Transcript 34 35 36 DETAILS: 37 On 10/21/20, at 1113 hours, I Investigator Paz and Investigator Gomez conducted follow up investigation on 38 the above case. They interviewed suspect Lemuel Kinney who provided a statement. 39 40 Investigator Paz previously sent the interview off for transcription and I received the transcription from the 41 transcription service on 5/26/21. 42 43 For the entire account of Jaquann Love's statement, see the transcript attached to this report as attachment "B". 44 45 CASE STATUS: Arrest 46 Riverside County Sheriff-Form C 442 Continuation Page (Revised 11-15-2016) FILE NUMBER MB 20 295 0001 CONTINUATION PAGE Page Number: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 LAW ENFORCEMENT OTHERS: Sergeant Thurm # 2805 Investigator Paz # 3327 Investigator Gomez # 3018 Investigator Mullins # 3586 Investigator Juarez # 3626 Investigator Stoyer # 2758 Deputy District Attorney S. Paixao District Attorney Investigator S. Dusek Sergeant Torres RSO/CHU RSO/CHU RSO/CHU RSO/CHU RSO/CHU RSO/CHU District Attorney's Office District Attorney's Office PSPD ASSOCIATED CASE NUMBERS: Palm Springs Police Department # 2010P-5280 (unknown victim) RSO Report # S202950004 (victim Palm Springs Police Department # 2010P-5303 (victim EVIDENCE: ITEM DESCRIPTION JDO1 DISC containing transcript of interview with Lemuel Kinney on 10/21/20 (barcode 2382112) ATTACHMENTS: ITEM A B QUANTITY 1 page 16 pages DESCRIPTION Evidence print out Transcript 951 955 2777 951 955 2777 951 955 2777 951 955 2777 951 955 2777 951 955 2777 760 863 8216 760 863 8216 760 323 8116 DETAILS: On 10/21/20, at 1113 hours, I Investigator Paz and Investigator Gomez conducted follow up investigation on the above case. They interviewed suspect Lemuel Kinney who provided a statement. Investigator Paz previously sent the interview off for transcription and I received the transcription from the transcription service on 5/26/21. For the entire account ofJaquann Love' s statement, see the transcript attached to this report as attachment "B". CASE STATUS: Arrest Riverside County Sheriff-Form C 442 Continuation Page (Revised 11-15-2016) MB 20 295 0001 14 ATTACHMENT # A (1 page) Evidence print out MB 20 295 0001 ATTACHMENT # A (1 page) Evidence print out f fir. • •+,...1.•!iy: A" • ss.94%13E. C Riverside County Sheriff's Department New Property I Evidence Report Deputy Name: DICKEY,JAMES Deputy ID: 4204 Incident Number: MB20295000 1 Evidence Barcode: Date Entered: Item Description: Mailing Address: Tickler will Entered By be sent: (ID): 2382112 5/26/2021 Item Description: JD01-DISC WITH TRANSCRIPT OF INT WITH LEMUEL KINNEY. X X 8/24/2021 4204 Page 1 of 1 rev 051109 NER III H I 1 1 1 II 1 1 II II II Riverside County Sheriff's Department New Property / Evidence Report Deputy Name: DICKEY,JAMES Deputy ID: 4204 Incident Number: MB20295000 1 Evidence Barcode: Date Item Description: Mailing Address: Tickler will Entered By Entered: be sent: (ID): 2382112 1111 11 1111 I 1 5/26/2021 Item Description: JD01-DISC WITH TRANSCRIPT OF INT WITH LEMUEL KINNEY. X X 8/24/2021 4204 Page 1 of 1 rev 051109 NER MB 20 295 0001 ATTACHMENT # B (103 pages) Transcript MB 20 295 0001 ATTACHMENT # B (103 pages) Transcript. RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 1 1 INTERVIEWER: 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 DATE/TIME: INTERVIEW WITH: FILE NUMBER: INVESTIGATOR RUBEN PAZ INVESTIGATOR NELSON GOMEZ 10/21/2020 1113 HOURS LEMUEL KINNEY MB 20 295 0001 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: It is October 21', 2020, 1113 hours. Investigator Gomez and myself will be interviewing Lemuel Kinney at the Palm Springs Police Station. Gonna be reference MB202950001. INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Palm Springs? Okay. So the video he just gave us is from the one here in INVESTIGATOR PAZ: No, no, the one that he gave us is the one from Rancho. INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Oh, okay. INVESTIGATOR PAZ: I guess it was — yeah, the one that's on Bob Hope and the 10, right? I guess this - this one here used to be this (inaudible) casino. INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Um-hm. (inaudible) I'm assuming. Yeah, or (inaudible) on it. Yeah. So the one in Palm Springs is called Agua Caliente now too. INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Uh-huh. (Various voices heard in background not transcribed) INVESTIGATOR PAZ: No. MALE VOICE: Do you need a water or anything (inaudible) you're okay with the blanket right? INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Yeah, that's fine. INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Feel a little chilly? LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. And (inaudible) RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 1 1 INTERVIEWER: 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 DATE/TIME: INTERVIEW WITH: FILE NUMBER: INVESTIGATOR RUBEN PAZ INVESTIGATOR NELSON GOMEZ 10/21/2020 1113 HOURS LEMUEL KINNEY MB 20 295 0001 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: It is October 21', 2020, 1113 hours. Investigator Gomez and myself will be interviewing Lemuel Kinney at the Palm Springs Police Station. Gonna be reference MB202950001. INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Palm Springs? Okay. So the video he just gave us is from the one here in INVESTIGATOR PAZ: No, no, the one that he gave us is the one from Rancho. INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Oh, okay. INVESTIGATOR PAZ: I guess it was — yeah, the one that's on Bob Hope and the 10, right? I guess this — this one here used to be this (inaudible) casino. INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Um-hm. INVESTIGATOR PAZ: (inaudible) I'm assuming. INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Yeah, or (inaudible) on it. Yeah. INVESTIGATOR PAZ: So the one in Palm Springs is called Agua Caliente now too. INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Uh-huh. (Various voices heard in background not transcribed) INVESTIGATOR PAZ: No. MALE VOICE: Do you need a water or anything (inaudible) you're okay with the blanket right? INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Yeah, that's fine. INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Feel a little chilly? LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. And (inaudible) RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 2 1 2 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Oh, okay, yeah. (inaudible) come over here. 3 4 MALE VOICE: (inaudible) tell me when your guys are done, ah — (inaudible) 5 is here. (inaudible) 6 7 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 8 9 MALE VOICE: (inaudible) before coming back for you guys. 10 11 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: So leave him — leave him in here? 12 13 MALE VOICE: Say again? 14 15 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: When we're done, just (inaudible) 16 17 MALE VOICE: Yeah, okay. (inaudible) 18 19 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: (inaudible) 20 21 MALE VOICE: (inaudible) you guys say about (inaudible) and then 22 (inaudible) 23 24 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 25 26 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: (inaudible) about this. 27 28 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 29 30 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Hey (inaudible) how are you doing? 31 32 LEMUEL KINNEY: Um - 33 34 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: I'm gonna take this off if you don't mind, right? 35 36 LEMUEL KINNEY: Go ahead. 37 38 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Okay. Hey, urn — I'm ah — Detective Paz. This is Detective 39 Gomez. We're with the Riverside County Sheriffs Department. We don't — we're not part of ah — 40 Palm Springs Police Department. First off, I just want to introduce ourselves. The reason we're here 41 is ah — we investigate officer-involved shootings, okay? And our purpose of doing that is to make 42 sure everybody involved acted appropriately and if they didn't — 43 RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 2 1 2 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Oh, okay, yeah. (inaudible) come over here. 3 4 MALE VOICE: (inaudible) tell me when your guys are done, ah — (inaudible) 5 is here. (inaudible) 6 7 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 8 9 MALE VOICE: (inaudible) before coming back for you guys. 10 11 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: So leave him — leave him in here? 12 13 MALE VOICE: Say again? 14 15 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: When we're done, just (inaudible) 16 17 MALE VOICE: Yeah, okay. (inaudible) 18 19 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: (inaudible) 20 21 MALE VOICE: (inaudible) you guys say about (inaudible) and then 22 (inaudible) 23 24 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 25 26 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: (inaudible) about this. 27 28 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 29 30 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Hey (inaudible) how are you doing? 31 32 LEMUEL KINNEY: Um — 33 34 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: I'm gonna take this off if you don't mind, right? 35 36 LEMUEL KINNEY: Go ahead. 37 38 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Okay. Hey, urn — I'm ah — Detective Paz. This is Detective 39 Gomez. We're with the Riverside County Sheriff's Department. We don't — we're not part of ah — 40 Palm Springs Police Department. First off, I just want to introduce ourselves. The reason we're here 41 is ah — we investigate officer-involved shootings, okay? And our purpose of doing that is to make 42 sure everybody involved acted appropriately and if they didn't — 43 RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 3 2 3 4 5 LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) And if they didn't, then we hold them accountable. They — they didn't. 6 7 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Okay. So — and that's why we want to come in and give you 8 an opportunity to give your side of the story. We do the criminal, ah — investigation portion of that officer-involved shooting stuff, okay? Um — so that's why, like I said, we're — that's why we're here and ah — it is my understanding that you were involved in the — in the incident, so we want to give you an opportunity to give us your side of the story. Is that something you'd be willing to do? LEMUEL KINNEY: Heck yeah. INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Okay. Here's the thing, guy. We got to go through all the — all the normal stuff. Because you are in custody, we do have to read you your rights, okay? Ah — so I'll read you your rights and then after that, I'd be more than happy to listen to your side of the story if you're — if you're down for that. Sound good? LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. (inaudible) (inaudible) I'll - I'll work on getting you one. (inaudible) my property right there. I'll see what I can work up. All right. Okay? Yeah. I need (inaudible) I got (inaudible) (inaudible) INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Okay. Well, let's get this out of the way and then I'll see if I can get you a cigarette or something. All right? I don't know how things work here cause I've — I've never worked this station, so I'd have to work — or figure you that out afterwards. LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) needed a (inaudible) RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 3 1 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 2 3 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: And if they didn't, then we hold them accountable. 4 5 LEMUEL KINNEY: They — they didn't. 6 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Okay. So — and that's why we want to come in and give you 8 an opportunity to give your side of the story. We do the criminal, ah — investigation portion of that 9 officer-involved shooting stuff, okay? Urn — so that's why, like I said, we're — that's why we're here 10 and ah — it is my understanding that you were involved in the — in the incident, so we want to give 11 you an opportunity to give us your side of the story. Is that something you'd be willing to do? 12 13 LEMUEL KINNEY: Heck yeah. 14 15 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Okay. Here's the thing, guy. We got to go through all the — all 16 the normal stuff. Because you are in custody, we do have to read you your rights, okay? Ah — so I'll 17 read you your rights and then after that, I'd be more than happy to listen to your side of the story if 18 you're — if you're down for that. Sound good? 19 20 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. (inaudible) 21 22 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: (inaudible) I'll — I'll work on getting you one. 23 24 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) my property right there. 25 26 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: I'll see what I can work up. 27 28 LEMUEL KINNEY: All right. 29 30 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Okay? 31 32 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. I need (inaudible) 33 34 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: I got (inaudible) 35 36 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 37 38 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Okay. Well, let's get this out of the way and then I'll see if I 39 can get you a cigarette or something. All right? I don't know how things work here cause I've — I've 40 never worked this station, so I'd have to work — or figure you that out afterwards. 41 42 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) needed a (inaudible) 43 RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 4 1 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Okay. Well, let's do this real quick. You have the right to 2 remain silent. Do you understand that? 3 4 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. 5 6 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Yeah? Okay. Anything you say can and may be used against 7 you in a court of law. Do you understand that? 8 9 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. 10 11 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Ah — did you say, "Yeah?" 12 13 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. 14 15 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Okay. You have the right to talk with an attorney and to have 16 an attorney present before and during questioning. Do you understand that? 17 18 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yes. 19 20 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: If you cannot afford an attorney, one will be appointed free of 21 charge to represent you before and during questioning if you desire. Do you understand that? 22 23 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. 24 25 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Yes? 26 27 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. 28 29 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Okay. All right. So like I said, obviously we want to sit down 30 and talk and ah — but before that, I just want to make sure I have the correct information. Give me a 31 second here. 32 33 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) I'm in pain. Can you try and get a cigarette 34 (inaudible) 35 36 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) 37 38 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 39 40 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: What — what's — what's your full name real quick? 41 42 LEMUEL KINNEY: Lemuel Kinney. 43 RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9181) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 4 1 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Okay. Well, let's do this real quick. You have the right to 2 remain silent. Do you understand that? 3 4 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. 5 6 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Yeah? Okay. Anything you say can and may be used against 7 you in a court of law. Do you understand that? 8 9 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. 10 11 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Ah — did you say, "Yeah?" 12 13 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. 14 15 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Okay. You have the right to talk with an attorney and to have 16 an attorney present before and during questioning. Do you understand that? 17 18 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yes. 19 20 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: If you cannot afford an attorney, one will be appointed free of 21 charge to represent you before and during questioning if you desire. Do you understand that? 22 23 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. 24 25 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Yes? 26 27 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. 28 29 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Okay. All right. So like I said, obviously we want to sit down 30 and talk and ah — but before that, I just want to make sure I have the correct information. Give me a 31 second here. 32 33 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) I'm in pain. Can you try and get a cigarette 34 (inaudible) 35 36 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) 37 38 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 39 40 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: What — what's — what's your full name real quick? 41 42 LEMUEL KINNEY: Lemuel Kinney. 43 RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 5 1 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Lemuel? L-e-m-e-u-l? 2 3 LEMUEL KINNEY: U-e-1. 4 5 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: U-e-1. Kinney, K-i-n-n-e-y? What's your date of birth? 6 7 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) 8 9 LEMUEL KINNEY: 10/11/96. 10 11 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: 10/11/96? What's your address? 12 13 LEMUEL KINNEY: Ah — (inaudible) 14 15 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Go ahead and take your time, man. Take your time. 16 17 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) I got shot in the stomach. 18 19 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: You got shot in the stomach? 20 21 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 22 23 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: But they took you to prison, right? 24 25 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. I went to the hospital and I was there like (inaudible) 26 they said that the way the (inaudible) it don't seem like they don't fucking (inaudible) but if they try 27 and go in there, they're gonna (inaudible) surgery in my stomach, so the other one came out. 28 29 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: It could cause more problems if they went into (inaudible) 30 31 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 32 33 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Le — Lemuel, what's your address? 34 35 LEMUEL KINNEY: I don't know the numbers (inaudible) 36 (inaudible) 37 38 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: 39 40 LEMUEL KINNEY: 41 42 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: What about a phone number? 43 Yeah. RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (Mil RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 5 1 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Lemuel? L -e-m -e-u -l? 2 3 LEMUEL KINNEY: U -e-1. 4 5 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: U -e-1. Kinney, K-i-n-n-e-y? What's your date of birth? 6 7 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) 8 9 LEMUEL KINNEY: 10/11/96. 10 11 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: 10/11/96? What's your address? 12 13 LEMUEL KINNEY: Ah — (inaudible) 14 15 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Go ahead and take your time, man. Take your time. 16 17 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) I got shot in the stomach. 18 19 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: You got shot in the stomach? 20 21 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 22 23 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: But they took you to prison, right? 24 25 26 27 28 29 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: It could cause more problems if they went into (inaudible) 30 31 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 32 33 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Le — Lemuel, what's your address? 34 35 LEMUEL KINNEY: I don't know the numbers (inaudible) 36 (inaudible) 37 38 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: 39 40 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. 41 42 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: What about a phone number? 43 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. I went to the hospital and I was there like (inaudible) they said that the way the (inaudible) it don't seem like they don't fucking (inaudible) but if they try and go in there, they're gonna (inaudible) surgery in my stomach, so the other one came out. RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9181) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 6 1 LEMUEL KINNEY: For me? 2 3 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Yeah. 4 5 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible (inaudible) that number down 6 (inaudible) 7 8 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: (inaudible) well, in case I need to call you later on and see if, 9 you know — if we have more questions and stuff. 10 11 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 12 13 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: You had a gun? 14 15 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 16 17 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Oh, I thought that's what you just said. All right. Well — well, 18 then tell us what happened. 19 20 LEMUEL KINNEY: I was doing (inaudible) he was upstairs or whatever. That's 21 my - I used to — I used to have fun with his sister, you feel me, so we was upstairs talking to his 22 sister or whatever. We get in the car. This is our way of fucking Desert Hot Springs. (inaudible) 23 Then we drive um — (inaudible) we stop. The guy (inaudible) and he was like, "Let's go into the 24 casino." I'm like (inaudible) the casino. I see him walk in the first door (inaudible) he gets out of the 25 car. He walks in. I - I got out, walked behind him and I see he had a gun in his hand. I'm like, 26 "What the fuck?" I (inaudible) back in the car. I ain't walking into the casino like this. 27 28 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Um-hm. 29 30 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) with a gun in his hand and (inaudible) the escalator 31 just like a maniac. I'm like, "What the fuck?" So he comes running back to the car. "We got to go 32 (inaudible) drive" (inaudible) like (inaudible) I'm like (inaudible), just drive, bro." (inaudible) I'm 33 like, "All right. (inaudible) to stop. (inaudible) he (inaudible) he mugged a lady, grabbed her, took 34 her (inaudible) in the car and when we was coming down (inaudible) they was coming up. It 35 happened just like that, that fast (inaudible) you know, I was coming down and I see him coming, so 36 I just (inaudible) and they blocked (inaudible) blocked us in. I feel my hand (inaudible) and I 37 (inaudible) I didn't even see what he did, but I'm guessing he pulled his gun out and was (inaudible) 38 trying to shoot. You know, it was all hell from there. 39 40 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Let's back up a little bit cause ah — cause I know you said "he" 41 and the — who is "he" that you're talking about that had the gun? 42 43 LEMUEL KINNEY: Ah - Brattis. RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 6 1 LEMUEL KINNEY: For me? 2 3 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Yeah. 4 5 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible (inaudible) that number down 6 (inaudible) 7 8 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: (inaudible) well, in case I need to call you later on and see if, 9 you know — if we have more questions and stuff. 10 11 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 12 13 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: You had a gun? 14 15 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 16 17 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Oh, I thought that's what you just said. All right. Well — well, 18 then tell us what happened. 19 20 LEMUEL KINNEY: I was doing (inaudible) he was upstairs or whatever. That's 21 my — I used to — I used to have fun with his sister, you feel me, so we was upstairs talking to his 22 sister or whatever. We get in the car. This is our way of fucking Desert Hot Springs. (inaudible) 23 Then we drive um — (inaudible) we stop. The guy (inaudible) and he was like, "Let's go into the 24 casino." I'm like (inaudible) the casino. I see him walk in the first door (inaudible) he gets out of the 25 car. He walks in. I — I got out, walked behind him and I see he had a gun in his hand. I'm like, 26 "What the fuck?" I (inaudible) back in the car. I ain't walking into the casino like this. 27 28 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Um-hm. 29 30 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) with a gun in his hand and (inaudible) the escalator 31 just like a maniac. I'm like, "What the fuck?" So he comes running back to the car. "We got to go 32 (inaudible) drive" (inaudible) like (inaudible) I'm like (inaudible), just drive, bro." (inaudible) I'm 33 like, "All right. (inaudible) to stop. (inaudible) he (inaudible) he mugged a lady, grabbed her, took 34 her (inaudible) in the car and when we was coming down (inaudible) they was coming up. It 35 happened just like that, that fast (inaudible) you know, I was coming down and I see him coming, so 36 I just (inaudible) and they blocked (inaudible) blocked us in. I feel my hand (inaudible) and I 37 (inaudible) I didn't even see what he did, but I'm guessing he pulled his gun out and was (inaudible) 38 trying to shoot. You know, it was all hell from there. 39 40 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Let's back up a little bit cause ah — cause I know you said "he" 41 and the — who is "he" that you're talking about that had the gun? 42 43 LEMUEL KINNEY: Ah — Brattis. RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) 1 RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 7 2 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: What was that? 3 4 LEMUEL KINNEY: Brattis. 5 6 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Brattis? 7 8 LEMUEL KINNEY: Brattis. The dude (inaudible) 9 10 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: What's his name and be honest with (inaudible) 11 12 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 13 14 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: What — what's his full name? Is that his first or last name? 15 16 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 17 18 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Brattis? 19 20 LEMUEL KINNEY: Brattis with a "T." B-r-a-t-t-i-s. 21 22 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Oh, Brattis. Got you, got you. So — so you used to — you said 23 you used to fuck with his sister, so that's how you know Brattis? 24 25 LEMUEL KINNEY: That's how I know him. 26 27 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Okay. Ah — how long ago did you mess with his sister? And 28 I'm just trying to see how long have you known this Brattis guy? 29 30 LEMUEL KINNEY: Known him for a while (inaudible) 31 32 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: "A while." Would that be like a year, two years, five years? 33 34 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah, five. 35 36 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: About five years? 37 38 LEMUEL KINNEY: About (inaudible) I'd known him good like that. I'd already 39 known him — I've known him for like since I've been out this (inaudible) every time I came around, 40 he was in jail for the same shit. (inaudible) snatching people's phones and purses and all that shit. 41 42 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: And how long you been out this time? 43 RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHIJ-EAST Page 7 1 2 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: What was that? 3 4 LEMUEL KINNEY: Brattis. 5 6 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Brattis? 7 8 LEMUEL KINNEY: Brattis. The dude (inaudible) 9 10 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: What's his name and be honest with (inaudible) 11 12 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 13 14 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: What — what's his full name? Is that his first or last name? 15 16 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 17 18 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Brattis? 19 20 LEMUEL KINNEY: Brads with a "T." B-r-a-t-t-i-s. 21 22 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Oh, Brattis. Got you, got you. So — so you used to — you said 23 you used to fuck with his sister, so that's how you know Brattis? 24 25 LEMUEL KINNEY: That's how I know him. 26 27 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Okay. Ah — how long ago did you mess with his sister? And 28 I'm just trying to see how long have you known this Brattis guy? 29 30 LEMUEL KINNEY: Known him for a while (inaudible) 31 32 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: "A while." Would that be like a year, two years, five years? 33 34 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah, five. 35 36 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: About five years? 37 38 LEMUEL KINNEY: About (inaudible) I'd known him good like that. I'd already 39 known him — I've known him for like since I've been out this (inaudible) every time I came around, 40 he was in jail for the same shit. (inaudible) snatching people's phones and purses and all that shit. 41 42 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: And how long you been out this time? 43 RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 8 LEMUEL KINNEY: About — how long had he been in? INVESTIGATOR PAZ: No. You said you — you just got to know him since you've been out you said. How long have you been out this time? LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) Months? A year? 67 days (inaudible) 60-some days? Oh, shit. Okay. So you just got out. I just got out (inaudible) INVESTIGATOR PAZ: So since you got out 60 days ago — two months ago, you — you — that's when you've been hanging out with him more, Brattis? LEMUEL KINNEY: Um — hang out with him maybe once or twice, nothing major like that. I already know hanging out with him (inaudible) INVESTIGATOR PAZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: And then you guys just bounced? LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) INVESTIGATOR PAZ: you were (inaudible) LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: So how —how — (inaudible) How was it that you hung out with him today? (inaudible) I was fucking his sister last night. Oh (laughing) so you were at their pad or what the (inaudible) Yeah. He asked me for a ride and (inaudible) you know Where where was this at where you guys met up at, where (inaudible) -- hooking with his sister? (inaudible) at that house. RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 8 1 LEMUEL KINNEY: About — how long had he been in? 2 3 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: No. You said you — you just got to know him since you've 4 been out you said. How long have you been out this time? 5 6 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 7 8 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Months? A year? 9 10 LEMUEL KINNEY: 67 days (inaudible) 11 12 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: 60 -some days? Oh, shit. Okay. So you just got out. 13 14 LEMUEL KINNEY: I just got out (inaudible) 15 16 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: So since you got out 60 days ago — two months ago, you — you 17 — that's when you've been hanging out with him more, Brattis? 18 19 LEMUEL KINNEY: Urn — hang out with him maybe once or twice, nothing major 20 like that. I already know hanging out with him (inaudible) 21 22 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: So how — how — 23 24 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 25 26 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: How was it that you hung out with him today? 27 28 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) I was fucking his sister last night. 29 30 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Oh (laughing) so you were at their pad or what the (inaudible) 31 And then you guys just bounced? 32 33 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. He asked me for a ride and (inaudible) you know 34 (inaudible) 35 36 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Where — where was this at where you guys met up at, where 37 you were (inaudible) 38 39 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 40 41 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: -- hooking with his sister? 42 43 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) at that house. RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 9 1 2 3 4 5 6 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Is that here in town or somewhere else? They stay at Desert Hot Springs somewhere or — Okay. Oh, so that's where — that's where you said. Desert Hot 7 Springs. Okay. So — so you're hooking up with his sister last night. You bounce and (inaudible) he — 8 he goes with you. What — or you're — I'm assuming you're driving, so it's your car? 9 10 LEMUEL KINNEY: It's my car (inaudible) it's my girlfriend's car. 11 12 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Oh, shit. 13 14 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. (inaudible) 15 16 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: (inaudible) so what is - 17 18 LEMUEL KINNEY: It's got a lease on it. Just got a lease on it like not even a week 19 ago. 20 21 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: And it's a — what kind of car is it? 22 23 LEMUEL KINNEY: The white Honda. 24 25 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: The white Honda? 26 27 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. 28 29 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Is it a Civic or an Accord? 30 31 LEMUEL KINNEY: I think it's a Accord or a Civic. I don't know. It's - it's her 32 car. Shit, her and her dad's car. I just took it for the day. 33 34 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Now, that's your girlfriend, not Brattis' sister? 35 36 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 37 38 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: So two girlfriend's (inaudible) 39 40 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 41 42 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: (inaudible) got it. 43 RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) 1 2 3 4 5 6 RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 9 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Is that here in town or somewhere else? They stay at Desert Hot Springs somewhere or — Okay. Oh, so that's where — that's where you said. Desert Hot 7 Springs. Okay. So — so you're hooking up with his sister last night. You bounce and (inaudible) he — 8 he goes with you. What — or you're — I'm assuming you're driving, so it's your car? 9 10 LEMUEL KINNEY: It's my car (inaudible) it's my girlfriend's car. 11 12 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Oh, shit. 13 14 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. (inaudible) 15 16 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: (inaudible) so what is — 17 18 LEMUEL KINNEY: It's got a lease on it. Just got a lease on it like not even a week 19 ago. 20 21 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: And it's a — what kind of car is it? 22 23 LEMUEL KINNEY: The white Honda. 24 25 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: The white Honda? 26 27 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. 28 29 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Is it a Civic or an Accord? 30 31 LEMUEL KINNEY: I think it's a Accord or a Civic. I don't know. It's — it's her 32 car. Shit, her and her dad's car. I just took it for the day. 33 34 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Now, that's your girlfriend, not Brattis' sister? 35 36 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 37 38 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: So two girlfriend's (inaudible) 39 40 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 41 42 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: (inaudible) got it. 43 RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 10 1 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 2 3 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: So — 4 5 LEMUEL KINNEY: Her name (inaudible) 6 7 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: On the — on the (inaudible) 8 9 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) fuck. (inaudible) fuck. I need that cigarette 10 (inaudible) 11 12 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Yeah. I'll - I'll work on that, man. Just ah — bear me a few 13 minutes. We'll try to get this — through this as quick as possible. So — so Brattis says, "Hey, let's go 14 to the casino." What casino do you guys go to? 15 16 LEMUEL KINNEY: Urn — we went to fucking (inaudible) to that casino. They 17 (inaudible) like (inaudible) let me rewind — 18 19 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Um-hm. 20 21 LEMUEL KINNEY: -- so cause I'm leaving something out. 22 23 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Okay. 24 25 LEMUEL KINNEY: So before we went to urn — Agua — there's two Agua 26 Caliente's out here and he went to the other Agua Caliente. 27 28 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: So this one where everything ended at, they used to be the Spa 29 Casino, right? 30 31 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. 32 33 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: So it's Agua Caliente now? 34 35 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. 36 37 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: So you guys went to the other Agua Caliente, the one in ah — 38 39 LEMUEL KINNEY: That's where it all started. 40 41 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: The one in Rancho Mirage? 42 43 LEMUEL KINNEY: That's where it all started. RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 10 1 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 2 3 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: So — 4 5 LEMUEL KINNEY: Her name (inaudible) 6 7 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: On the — on the (inaudible) 8 9 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) fuck. (inaudible) fuck. I need that cigarette 10 (inaudible) 11 12 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Yeah. I'll — I'll work on that, man. Just ah — bear me a few 13 minutes. We'll try to get this — through this as quick as possible. So — so Brattis says, "Hey, let's go 14 to the casino." What casino do you guys go to? 15 16 LEMUEL KINNEY: Urn — we went to fucking (inaudible) to that casino. They 17 (inaudible) like (inaudible) let me rewind — 18 19 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Um-hm. 20 21 LEMUEL KINNEY: so cause I'm leaving something out. 22 23 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Okay. 24 25 LEMUEL KINNEY: So before we went to urn — Agua — there's two Agua 26 Caliente's out here and he went to the other Agua Caliente. 27 28 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: So this one where everything ended at, they used to be the Spa 29 Casino, right? 30 31 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. 32 33 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: So it's Agua Caliente now? 34 35 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. 36 37 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: So you guys went to the other Agua Caliente, the one in ah — 38 39 LEMUEL KINNEY: That's where it all started. 40 41 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: The one in Rancho Mirage? 42 43 LEMUEL KINNEY: That's where it all started. RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 11 1 2 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Okay. Talk to me about that. What happened there? 3 4 LEMUEL KINNEY: That was the original place to go to and we got there. He was 5 like, "Park." "All right." So he parks right there, smoking a cigarette, smoking the weed. And I'm 6 like (inaudible) gamble for a little bit. He like (inaudible) I'm like, "Nah, fuck that." (inaudible) just 7 leave me in the car. (inaudible) go in there. 8 9 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Um-hm. 10 11 LEMUEL KINNEY: And like he (inaudible) stay in the car with (inaudible) nobody 12 (inaudible) I - I - I — (inaudible) I go in — I go in there all the time (inaudible) so (inaudible) "You 13 can stay in the car." 14 15 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Um-hm. 16 17 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) "All right. Let's cruise around." So he just 18 (inaudible) gas like that. He (inaudible) "Don't trip, bro. It's good." "All right." (inaudible) he seen 19 a car (inaudible) "Who's that? Who's that?" And (inaudible) only thing (inaudible) get out and get 20 back in the car (inaudible) all right. (inaudible) I'm like, "Hey (inaudible) you know a lot of people 21 (inaudible) 22 23 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: (Laughing) 24 25 LEMUEL KINNEY: "You know a lot of people." (inaudible) I heard this lady 26 screaming. I'm like, "What the fuck?" And ah — come around the corner and I seen (inaudible) his — 27 hauling ass down the street. I'm like — 28 29 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: (inaudible) "What the fuck is he doing?" 30 31 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. 32 33 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: (inaudible) 34 35 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) you all right? 36 37 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: (inaudible) 38 39 LEMUEL KINNEY: He — he gets (inaudible) the door is locked, so he (inaudible) 40 over my (inaudible) I'm like, "You better get in." We drive home (inaudible) "Are you (inaudible) 41 to the other Agua. 42 43 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Um-hm. RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 11 1 2 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Okay. Talk to me about that. What happened there? 3 4 LEMUEL KINNEY: That was the original place to go to and we got there. He was 5 like, "Park." "All right." So he parks right there, smoking a cigarette, smoking the weed. And I'm 6 like (inaudible) gamble for a little bit. He like (inaudible) I'm like, "Nah, fuck that." (inaudible) just 7 leave me in the car. (inaudible) go in there. 8 9 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Um-hm. 10 11 LEMUEL KINNEY: And like he (inaudible) stay in the car with (inaudible) nobody 12 (inaudible) I — I — I — (inaudible) I go in — I go in there all the time (inaudible) so (inaudible) "You 13 can stay in the car." 14 15 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Um-hm. 16 17 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) "All right. Let's cruise around." So he just 18 (inaudible) gas like that. He (inaudible) "Don't trip, bro. It's good." "All right." (inaudible) he seen 19 a car (inaudible) "Who's that? Who's that?" And (inaudible) only thing (inaudible) get out and get 20 back in the car (inaudible) all right. (inaudible) I'm like, "Hey (inaudible) you know a lot of people 21 (inaudible) 22 23 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: (Laughing) 24 25 LEMUEL KINNEY: "You know a lot of people." (inaudible) I heard this lady 26 screaming. I'm like, "What the fuck?" And ah — come around the corner and I seen (inaudible) his — 27 hauling ass down the street. I'm like — 28 29 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: (inaudible) "What the fuck is he doing?" 30 31 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. 32 33 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: (inaudible) 34 35 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) you all right? 36 37 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: (inaudible) 38 39 LEMUEL KINNEY: He — he gets (inaudible) the door is locked, so he (inaudible) 40 over my (inaudible) I'm like, "You better get in." We drive home (inaudible) "Are you (inaudible) 41 to the other Agua. 42 43 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Um-hm. RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 12 LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: And that's when it all happened. Okay. So you — (inaudible) So what do you think happened at the first Agua? I don't even know. You just heard some lady screaming? Yeah. I heard a lady screaming and (inaudible) And then he took off running? LEMUEL KINNEY: I (inaudible) I don't — I - I didn't see him (inaudible) the police (inaudible) that's why (inaudible) he ended up in the front. INVESTIGATOR PAZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: Oh, so the cops were already — (inaudible) -- there — (inaudible) INVESTIGATOR PAZ: That's right. So, ah — so you guys go to the first Agua. He gets off thinking that he knows somebody — or he tells you to stop? LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) to stop (inaudible) he knows (inaudible) he knows (inaudible) cause of him (inaudible) INVESTIGATOR PAZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: Then he hears some chic (inaudible) (inaudible) -- yelling — (inaudible) I got (inaudible) shot me (inaudible) RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 12 1 2 LEMUEL KINNEY: And that's when it all happened. 3 4 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Okay. So you — 5 6 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 7 8 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: So what do you think happened at the first Agua? 9 10 LEMUEL KINNEY: I don't even know. 11 12 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: You just heard some lady screaming? 13 14 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. I heard a lady screaming and (inaudible) 15 16 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: And then he took off running? 17 18 LEMUEL KINNEY: I (inaudible) I don't — I — I didn't see him (inaudible) the 19 police (inaudible) that's why (inaudible) he ended up in the front. 20 21 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Oh, so the cops were already — 22 23 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 24 25 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: -- there — 26 27 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 28 29 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: That's right. So, oh — so you guys go to the first Agua. He gets 30 off thinking that he knows somebody — or he tells you to stop? 31 32 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) to stop (inaudible) he knows (inaudible) he knows 33 (inaudible) cause of him (inaudible) 34 35 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Then he hears some chic (inaudible) 36 37 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 38 39 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: -- yelling — 40 41 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) I got (inaudible) shot me (inaudible) 42 RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9181) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 13 1 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: So he takes off running. You pick him up, like "What the 2 fuck's going on?" 3 4 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. 5 6 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: So you guys come to the second (inaudible) 7 8 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) there was a car (inaudible) car (inaudible) too, so 9 I'm like "What the fuck happened, bro? (inaudible) 10 11 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: So then you guys went to the other Agua — 12 13 LEMUEL KINNEY: Went to the other (inaudible) 14 15 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: (inaudible) what happened there? 16 17 LEMUEL KINNEY: Exactly (inaudible) 18 19 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: You — you mentioned that he had a gun? 20 21 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. 22 23 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: How — how do you know? 24 25 LEMUEL KINNEY: Because he had (inaudible) take it out and I was ready to drop 26 him off, but he (inaudible) he wasn't getting out of the car. 27 28 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Okay. 29 30 LEMUEL KINNEY: So whenever he (inaudible) was trying to get (inaudible) 31 32 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: When — when were you trying to drop him off? 33 34 LEMUEL KINNEY: The first incident (inaudible) take the back way (inaudible) 35 road and drop you off in DHS. 36 37 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Um-hm. 38 39 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 40 41 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: And he didn't want to or what? 42 43 LEMUEL KINNEY: No. RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) I 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 13 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: fuck's going on?" LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: So he takes off running. You pick him up, like "What the Yeah. So you guys come to the second (inaudible) LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) there was a car (inaudible) car (inaudible) too, so I'm like "What the fuck happened, bro? (inaudible) INVESTIGATOR PAZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: So then you guys went to the other Agua — Went to the other (inaudible) (inaudible) what happened there? Exactly (inaudible) You — you mentioned that he had a gun? Yeah. How — how do you know? LEMUEL KINNEY: Because he had (inaudible) take it out and I was ready to drop him off, but he (inaudible) he wasn't getting out of the car. INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Okay. LEMUEL KINNEY: So whenever he (inaudible) was trying to get (inaudible) INVESTIGATOR PAZ: When — when were you trying to drop him off? LEMUEL KINNEY: The first incident (inaudible) take the back way (inaudible) road and drop you off in DHS. INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Um-hm. LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) INVESTIGATOR PAZ: And he didn't want to or what? LEMUEL KINNEY: No. RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 14 1 2 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: (inaudible) 3 4 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) drop off and (inaudible) like just drive. 5 6 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: So he pointed the gun at you, told you to drive — 7 8 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 9 10 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Okay. 11 12 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 13 14 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: And you guys got to the second Agua Caliente or what 15 happened there? I'm just trying to get a — a, you know, a — an idea of everything that happened that 16 led up to the — the shooting. You know, I'm trying to get a — a good — good idea of what — why, 17 where all this stuff happened, so -- 18 19 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 20 21 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Take your time, man. Take your time. 22 23 LEMUEL KINNEY: Ah — shit. (inaudible) and it's cold as fuck. I don't have these 24 (inaudible) shot me. I (inaudible) 25 26 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: That's something that we're trying to figure out. 27 28 LEMUEL KINNEY: His (inaudible) his (inaudible) 29 30 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Well, we'll get to that point cause (inaudible) that was one of 31 things I was gonna ask you as far as — cause I know you said — you made some comments about 32 what he was doing — 33 34 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. 35 36 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: -- but (inaudible) 37 38 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) I didn't see — 39 40 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: But (inaudible) before we get to that, I want to find out where 41 — where we stopped at (inaudible) when you guys went back to the second Agua Caliente. The one 42 here in Palm Springs, what happened (inaudible) 43 RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 14 1 2 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: (inaudible) 3 4 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) drop off and (inaudible) like just drive. 5 6 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: So he pointed the gun at you, told you to drive — 7 8 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 9 10 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Okay. 11 12 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 13 14 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: And you guys got to the second Agua Caliente or what 15 happened there? I'm just trying to get a — a, you know, a — an idea of everything that happened that 16 led up to the — the shooting. You know, I'm trying to get a — a good — good idea of what — why, 17 where all this stuff happened, so -- 18 19 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 20 21 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Take your time, man. Take your time. 22 23 LEMUEL KINNEY: Ah — shit. (inaudible) and it's cold as fuck. I don't have these 24 (inaudible) shot me. I (inaudible) 25 26 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: That's something that we're trying to figure out. 27 28 LEMUEL KINNEY: His (inaudible) his (inaudible) 29 30 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Well, we'll get to that point cause (inaudible) that was one of 31 things I was gonna ask you as far as — cause I know you said — you made some comments about 32 what he was doing — 33 34 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. 35 36 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: -- but (inaudible) 37 38 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) I didn't see — 39 40 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: But (inaudible) before we get to that, I want to find out where 41 — where we stopped at (inaudible) when you guys went back to the second Agua Caliente. The one 42 here in Palm Springs, what happened (inaudible) 43 RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 15 1 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 2 3 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: What happened there? 4 5 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 6 7 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: You said something about some lady and a purse. 8 9 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah, he mugged a lady. 10 11 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: He mugged the lady? 12 13 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. 14 15 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Do you know who that lady was? 16 17 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 18 19 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Did you see him mug the lady? 20 21 LEMUEL KINNEY: Hell, yeah. And I was just like, "Damn." She was just so 22 scared (inaudible) that he was just (inaudible) 23 24 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Oh, shit. 25 26 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) he's ah — he (inaudible) come up behind you 27 (inaudible) big-ass booty. 28 29 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: No. You're doing good (inaudible) going like this, so the — the 30 movements you're making, so it looks like you got her in a headlock and then put the gun to her 31 face? 32 33 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) yeah. (inaudible) cause he had his back to him. 34 35 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Okay. But just the motion, it looked like he was pointing — 36 37 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. 38 39 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: (inaudible) was (inaudible) holding her and pointing a gun at 40 her. That's what (inaudible) 41 42 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. 43 RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9181) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 15 1 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 2 3 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: What happened there? 4 5 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 6 7 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: You said something about some lady and a purse. 8 9 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah, he mugged a lady. 10 11 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: He mugged the lady? 12 13 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. 14 15 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Do you know who that lady was? 16 17 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 18 19 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Did you see him mug the lady? 20 21 LEMUEL KINNEY: Hell, yeah. And I was just like, "Damn." She was just so 22 scared (inaudible) that he was just (inaudible) 23 24 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Oh, shit. 25 26 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) he's ah — he (inaudible) come up behind you 27 (inaudible) big-ass booty. 28 29 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: No. You're doing good (inaudible) going like this, so the — the 30 movements you're making, so it looks like you got her in a headlock and then put the gun to her 31 face? 32 33 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) yeah. (inaudible) cause he had his back to him. 34 35 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Okay. But just the motion, it looked like he was pointing — 36 37 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. 38 39 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: (inaudible) was (inaudible) holding her and pointing a gun at 40 her. That's what (inaudible) 41 42 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. 43 RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 16 1 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: That's what you believed happened? 2 3 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. 4 5 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Ah — what does she do or what happened there? 6 7 LEMUEL KINNEY: We just walked back to the car (inaudible) boom and then 8 (inaudible) when we get to the (inaudible) I look over. She's just kissing (inaudible) 9 10 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: The lady that he mugged? 11 12 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. I'm like (inaudible) maybe (inaudible) whatever 13 (inaudible) so (inaudible) 14 15 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: (inaudible) you think he — he might have known her or — 16 17 LEMUEL KINNEY: Maybe, maybe not. 18 19 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Okay. 20 21 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) he got of the car (inaudible) white dude — 22 23 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: That is strange if she didn't scream, though, right? 24 25 LEMUEL KINNEY: If she didn't scream, right? And then (inaudible) she's 26 (inaudible) walking out of the casino (inaudible) she go and he gets out of the car. I'm like, "All 27 right." 28 29 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: So you think he might have known her? 30 31 LEMUEL KINNEY: I thought so. (inaudible) he got up (inaudible) they never took 32 her stuff until he was shot (inaudible) 33 34 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: So you guys take off? 35 36 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah (inaudible) out of here. (inaudible) I want to go home. 37 My girl tripping cause I left my phone at her house. She stays in San Bernardino. (inaudible) in San 38 Bernardino. 39 40 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: (inaudible) with her (inaudible) 41 42 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah, with her car, so I'm (inaudible) from his sister. 43 RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 16 1 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: That's what you believed happened? 2 3 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. 4 5 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Ah — what does she do or what happened there? 6 7 LEMUEL KINNEY: We just walked back to the car (inaudible) boom and then 8 (inaudible) when we get to the (inaudible) I look over. She's just kissing (inaudible) 9 10 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: The lady that he mugged? 11 12 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. I'm like (inaudible) maybe (inaudible) whatever 13 (inaudible) so (inaudible) 14 15 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: (inaudible) you think he — he might have known her or — 16 17 LEMUEL KINNEY: Maybe, maybe not. 18 19 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Okay. 20 21 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) he got of the car (inaudible) white dude — 22 23 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: That is strange if she didn't scream, though, right? 24 25 LEMUEL KINNEY: If she didn't scream, right? And then (inaudible) she's 26 (inaudible) walking out of the casino (inaudible) she go and he gets out of the car. I'm like, "All 27 right." 28 29 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: So you think he might have known her? 30 31 LEMUEL KINNEY: I thought so. (inaudible) he got up (inaudible) they never took 32 her stuff until he was shot (inaudible) 33 34 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: So you guys take off? 35 36 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah (inaudible) out of here. (inaudible) I want to go home. 37 My girl tripping cause I left my phone at her house. She stays in San Bernardino. (inaudible) in San 38 Bernardino. 39 40 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: (inaudible) with her (inaudible) 41 42 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah, with her car, so I'm (inaudible) from his sister. 43 RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 17 1 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: (inaudible) 2 3 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 4 5 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: So what happens when — when you guys are leaving? You 6 guys — you said the cops showed up — 7 8 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) the first cop drove past me, boom. And the second 9 cop (inaudible) they were all behind each other, but the first cop (inaudible) was the same cop. He's 10 — he — he just stopped the car (inaudible) he turned in and I stopped bumper to bumper, boom, and it 11 was just like that, that fast. As soon as he stopped the car, boom (inaudible) simultaneously — 12 13 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Okay. 14 15 LEMUEL KINNEY: -- cause I didn't look that way, so I'm not even sure if he 16 reached for his shit or not, but I asked him like (inaudible) I'm like, "Well, then — I'm like when 17 they were done shooting, my hands is in the air. Like I'm just slouching down in the seat (inaudible) 18 you can see my hands (inaudible) but not me, though. 19 20 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Well (inaudible) how — what were you doing? Were you like 21 ducking down or — 22 23 LEMUEL KINNEY: Ah — yeah. 24 25 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Okay. 26 27 LEMUEL KINNEY: And I (inaudible) at the steering wheel, like just laid down. I 28 just laid down cause I already had got hit twice. 29 30 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Oh, okay. So at that point — all right. So let me back up cause I 31 think I missed a part. So as soon as (inaudible) they show up, you guys stop. You said the shooting 32 started right away. 33 34 LEMUEL KINNEY: Oh (inaudible) stop. No, the stopped us. 35 36 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Okay. 37 38 LEMUEL KINNEY: Like I'm gonna keep driving and I guess they had the front 39 entrance blocked off over here and they were coming up to get up, but (inaudible) we were coming 40 down the embankment and they were coming up. The first cop passed us. Same cop (inaudible) hit 41 the bumper, boom. 42 43 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: You didn't think they were — RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 17 1 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: (inaudible) 2 3 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 4 5 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: So what happens when — when you guys are leaving? You 6 guys — you said the cops showed up — 7 8 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) the first cop drove past me, boom. And the second 9 cop (inaudible) they were all behind each other, but the first cop (inaudible) was the same cop. He's 10 — he — he just stopped the car (inaudible) he turned in and I stopped bumper to bumper, boom, and it 11 was just like that, that fast. As soon as he stopped the car, boom (inaudible) simultaneously — 12 13 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Okay. 14 15 LEMUEL KINNEY: -- cause I didn't look that way, so I'm not even sure if he 16 reached for his shit or not, but I asked him like (inaudible) I'm like, "Well, then — I'm like when 17 they were done shooting, my hands is in the air. Like I'm just slouching down in the seat (inaudible) 18 you can see my hands (inaudible) but not me, though. 19 20 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Well (inaudible) how — what were you doing? Were you like 21 ducking down or — 22 23 LEMUEL KINNEY: Ah — yeah. 24 25 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Okay. 26 27 LEMUEL KINNEY: And I (inaudible) at the steering wheel, like just laid down. I 28 just laid down cause I already had got hit twice. 29 30 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Oh, okay. So at that point — all right. So let me back up cause I 31 think I missed a part. So as soon as (inaudible) they show up, you guys stop. You said the shooting 32 started right away. 33 34 LEMUEL KINNEY: Oh (inaudible) stop. No, the stopped us. 35 36 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Okay. 37 38 LEMUEL KINNEY: Like I'm gonna keep driving and I guess they had the front 39 entrance blocked off over here and they were coming up to get up, but (inaudible) we were coming 40 down the embankment and they were coming up. The first cop passed us. Same cop (inaudible) hit 41 the bumper, boom. 42 43 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: You didn't think they were — RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 18 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 LEMUEL KINNEY: I didn't try to put the car in reverse, no nothing. As soon as they did that, I was like this and they were shooting already. INVESTIGATOR PAZ: you think they were there? LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) INVESTIGATOR PAZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: said he walked in like a madman. Why do you think they were — the cops showed up? Why do Probably because the (inaudible) the other Agua Caliente (inaudible) what — what happened over there? (inaudible) Okay. (inaudible) to that motherfucker earlier (inaudible) Oh, yeah. Yeah. You did mention that. So, where did that happen where you LEMUEL KINNEY: When he was saying that that was her the first time (inaudible) it was a white dude and a (inaudible) Mercedes and he got out of the car (inaudible) and then he got a second time (inaudible) that car right there. INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Okay. So, the first time when you said he got out like a mad, ah — like a mad dude, that was — you guys went to this Agua Caliente first and then went to the other one or did this happen all at the same time? LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: This happened at the same time right there. So he first saw some dude who wasn't the — who he thought — (inaudible) INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Then he got down again and that's when he mugged the lady? That was during the same time (inaudible) LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) happened first (inaudible) RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 18 1 2 LEMUEL KINNEY: I didn't try to put the car in reverse, no nothing. As soon as 3 they did that, I was like this and they were shooting already. 4 5 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Why do you think they were — the cops showed up? Why do 6 you think they were there? 7 8 LEMUEL KINNEY: Probably because the (inaudible) the other Agua Caliente 9 (inaudible) 10 11 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: (inaudible) what — what happened over there? 12 13 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 14 15 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Okay. 16 17 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) to that motherfucker earlier (inaudible) 18 19 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Oh, yeah. 20 21 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. 22 23 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: You did mention that. So, where did that happen where you 24 said he walked in like a madman. 25 26 LEMUEL KINNEY: When he was saying that that was her the first time (inaudible) 27 it was a white dude and a (inaudible) Mercedes and he got out of the car (inaudible) and then he got 28 a second time (inaudible) that car right there. 29 30 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Okay. So, the first time when you said he got out like a mad, 31 ah — like a mad dude, that was — you guys went to this Agua Caliente first and then went to the other 32 one or did this happen all at the same time? 33 34 LEMUEL KINNEY: This happened at the same time right there. 35 36 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: So he first saw some dude who wasn't the — who he thought — 37 38 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 39 40 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Then he got down again and that's when he mugged the lady? 41 That was during the same time (inaudible) 42 43 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) happened first (inaudible) RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 19 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Okay. So — so when you guys came back to this Agua, that's when the other two times happened here? So the cops probably had already been called at that point after the first time, after the first (inaudible) LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. But they was — INVESTIGATOR PAZ: What did he do with that guy cause you said he got off with a gun. LEMUEL KINNEY: He got out (inaudible) in his hand like (inaudible) or something. I don't know. Like he just (inaudible) INVESTIGATOR PAZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: was he doing there? Okay. (inaudible) What was — what was (inaudible) talk to me about that. What LEMUEL KINNEY: Well, as soon as we arrived to Agua Caliente, he just (inaudible) you know. So, all right (inaudible) he gets out and he has this all the way over his head and he had his fucking gun out and he's (inaudible) I'm like — so I get out of the car. (inaudible) walk over there like, boom. (inaudible) people (inaudible) and I see all the people like looking and they're like (inaudible) they see his gun. It's a big black dude with a gun and big-ass (inaudible) INVESTIGATOR PAZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: his hand. INVESTIGATOR PAZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) were the people in the car? No, inside the — (inaudible) he walked in the casino. Oh, no shit? Like he's by the — literally (inaudible) Damn. He's about to start going down the escalator with his gun in What the heck was this guy thinking? I don't know. RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 19 1 2 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Okay. So — so when you guys came back to this Agua, that's 3 when the other two times happened here? So the cops probably had already been called at that point 4 after the first time, after the first (inaudible) 5 6 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. But they was — 7 8 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: What did he do with that guy cause you said he got off with a 9 gun. 10 11 LEMUEL KINNEY: He got out (inaudible) in his hand like (inaudible) or 12 something. I don't know. Like he just (inaudible) 13 14 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Okay. 15 16 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 17 18 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: What was — what was (inaudible) talk to me about that. What 19 was he doing there? 20 21 LEMUEL KINNEY: Well, as soon as we arrived to Agua Caliente, he just 22 (inaudible) you know. So, all right (inaudible) he gets out and he has this all the way over his head 23 and he had his fucking gun out and he's (inaudible) I'm like — so I get out of the car. (inaudible) 24 walk over there like, boom. (inaudible) people (inaudible) and I see all the people like looking and 25 they're like (inaudible) they see his gun. It's a big black dude with a gun and big-ass (inaudible) 26 27 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: (inaudible) were the people in the car? 28 29 LEMUEL KINNEY: No, inside the — (inaudible) he walked in the casino. 30 31 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Oh, no shit? 32 33 LEMUEL KINNEY: Like he's by the — literally (inaudible) 34 35 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Damn. 36 37 LEMUEL KINNEY: He's about to start going down the escalator with his gun in 38 his hand. 39 40 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: What the heck was this guy thinking? 41 42 LEMUEL KINNEY: I don't know. 43 RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 20 1 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: So you went in after him thinking that — 2 3 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) like (inaudible) 4 5 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: (inaudible) 6 7 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. (inaudible) 8 9 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: And so you — you saw him walking in the casino — 10 11 LEMUEL KINNEY: I seen him walking into the casino with his gun in his hand 12 and I'm like (inaudible) or something. Like (inaudible) 13 14 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: To (inaudible) 15 16 LEMUEL KINNEY: So I got of the car and when I peek my head in, I seen there 17 was people in there. I'm like, "Fuck that." I'm like (inaudible) hide back in the car, but he was 18 already back at the car too. 19 20 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: So (inaudible) 21 22 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) yeah. 23 24 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: He came back out (inaudible) 25 26 LEMUEL KINNEY: He ran back out. 27 28 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Um — so then — so that was when you guys first got there and 29 that's (inaudible) what happened the first time. And then — 30 31 LEMUEL KINNEY: He did a (inaudible) 32 33 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: (inaudible) 34 35 LEMUEL KINNEY: I mean surveillance (inaudible) 36 37 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Well, yeah, we'll — we'll end up looking at the camera 38 (inaudible) we're working on getting the (inaudible) obviously that — you know (inaudible) 39 40 LEMUEL KINNEY: There's cameras everywhere. 41 42 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: So, yeah, um — 43 RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 20 1 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: So you went in after him thinking that — 2 3 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) like (inaudible) 4 5 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: (inaudible) 6 7 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. (inaudible) 8 9 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: And so you — you saw him walking in the casino — 10 II LEMUEL KINNEY: I seen him walking into the casino with his gun in his hand 12 and I'm like (inaudible) or something. Like (inaudible) 13 14 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: To (inaudible) 15 16 LEMUEL KINNEY: So I got of the car and when I peek my head in, I seen there 17 was people in there. I'm like, "Fuck that." I'm like (inaudible) hide back in the car, but he was 18 already back at the car too. 19 20 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: So (inaudible) 21 22 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) yeah. 23 24 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: He came back out (inaudible) 25 26 LEMUEL KINNEY: He ran back out. 27 28 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Um — so then — so that was when you guys first got there and 29 that's (inaudible) what happened the first time. And then — 30 31 LEMUEL KINNEY: He did a (inaudible) 32 33 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: (inaudible) 34 35 LEMUEL KINNEY: I mean surveillance (inaudible) 36 37 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Well, yeah, we'll — we'll end up looking at the camera 38 (inaudible) we're working on getting the (inaudible) obviously that — you know (inaudible) 39 40 LEMUEL KINNEY: There's cameras everywhere. 41 42 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: So, yeah, um — 43 RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 21 LEMUEL KINNEY: Except where we got shot at. INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Well, I don't know. We're still working on getting all that. Working on getting that — everything. So, let's go back to where you guys met with the cops. Ah — you said as soon as you stopped, you put your hands up, shooting started right away. LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: off shots. INVESTIGATOR PAZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: didn't (inaudible) INVESTIGATOR PAZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Right away. Did you — As soon as they exited their vehicles, they started (inaudible) Did you make any motions (inaudible) (inaudible) Duck down? Reach anywhere — I mean that (inaudible) got shot (inaudible) sit me down. I Where did you get — where did you get hit? The first one hit me in the shoulder right here. Your right shoulder? LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. Then I got hit in the stomach and then shot — I thought I was shot in the face, but it was glass, so I'm like (inaudible) and then I got like another two pieces of scrap metal that like came up, I guess, from somewhere (inaudible) my stomach too. INVESTIGATOR PAZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: you do? What did you do? So you — so you got hit like at least two times? Twice, yeah. And then (inaudible) (inaudible) -- the other time. Okay. Um — so after the shooting, what did RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 21 1 LEMUEL KINNEY: Except where we got shot at. 2 3 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Well, I don't know. We're still working on getting all that. 4 Working on getting that — everything. So, let's go back to where you guys met with the cops. Ah — 5 you said as soon as you stopped, you put your hands up, shooting started right away. 6 7 LEMUEL KINNEY: Right away. 8 9 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Did you — 10 11 LEMUEL KINNEY: As soon as they exited their vehicles, they started (inaudible) 12 off shots. 13 14 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Did you make any motions (inaudible) 15 16 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 17 18 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Duck down? Reach anywhere — 19 20 LEMUEL KINNEY: I mean that (inaudible) got shot (inaudible) sit me down. I 21 didn't (inaudible) 22 23 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Where did you get — where did you get hit? 24 25 LEMUEL KINNEY: The first one hit me in the shoulder right here. 26 27 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Your right shoulder? 28 29 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. Then I got hit in the stomach and then shot — I thought I 30 was shot in the face, but it was glass, so I'm like (inaudible) and then I got like another two pieces 31 of scrap metal that like came up, I guess, from somewhere (inaudible) my stomach too. 32 33 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: So you — so you got hit like at least two times? 34 35 LEMUEL KINNEY: Twice, yeah. 36 37 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: And then (inaudible) 38 39 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 40 41 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: -- the other time. Okay. Urn — so after the shooting, what did 42 you do? What did you do? 43 RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: So (inaudible) and then they tell you not to move. Got it. So 28 then, ah — after that, once they get you out of the car, do they get you to the hospital? 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 22 LEMUEL KINNEY: I just stayed there (inaudible) my hands (inaudible) INVESTIGATOR PAZ: shooting occurred? The — Um-hm. (inaudible) well, what happened after you — after the LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) climb over the seat (inaudible) for how long after I kept telling them, "I'm shot. I'm bleeding." And I don't (inaudible) I had nothing to do with this (inaudible) INVESTIGATOR PAZ: (inaudible) LEMUEL KINNEY: And he just kept yelling out orders and (inaudible) INVESTIGATOR PAZ: What — what — you said you climbed over the seat. What seat? LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) I was the driver. They made me climb over the passenger seat. INVESTIGATOR PAZ: So they made you exit the passenger side? LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. After I told them I was shot in my — in my stomach and I couldn't feel my legs at the time (inaudible) I never been shot before and (inaudible) shit was fucked up and I'm like, "I can't feel my legs." (inaudible) "You'll be all right. Climb over the passenger seat and get out with your hands up." And (inaudible) like, "Don't flicking move." I'm like (inaudible) tell me to climb over (inaudible) LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) nah. They (inaudible) still waiting on that, ah — on the ambulance. (inaudible) INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Oh, the ambulance came, though, to the — to the casino? LEMUEL KINNEY: There was one out there, but they were (inaudible) trying to see who was more critical, me or him, cause he was shot too twice. INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Okay. So — LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) "I don't know. He's still in the hospital. He's fucked up." INVESTIGATOR PAZ: (inaudible) RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9181) 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 22 LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: shooting occurred? The — LEMUEL KINNEY: I just stayed there (inaudible) my hands (inaudible) Um-hm. (inaudible) well, what happened after you — after the (inaudible) climb over the seat (inaudible) for how long after I kept telling them, "I'm shot. I'm bleeding." And I don't (inaudible) I had nothing to do with this (inaudible) INVESTIGATOR PAZ: (inaudible) LEMUEL KINNEY: And he just kept yelling out orders and (inaudible) INVESTIGATOR PAZ: What — what — you said you climbed over the seat. What seat? LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) I was the driver. They made me climb over the passenger seat. INVESTIGATOR PAZ: So they made you exit the passenger side? LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. After I told them I was shot in my — in my stomach and I couldn't feel my legs at the time (inaudible) I never been shot before and (inaudible) shit was fucked up and I'm like, "I can't feel my legs." (inaudible) "You'll be all right. Climb over the passenger seat and get out with your hands up." And (inaudible) like, "Don't fucking move." I'm like (inaudible) tell me to climb over (inaudible) INVESTIGATOR PAZ: So (inaudible) and then they tell you not to move. Got it. So then, ah — after that, once they get you out of the car, do they get you to the hospital? LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) nah. They (inaudible) still waiting on that, ah — on the ambulance. (inaudible) INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Oh, the ambulance came, though, to the — to the casino? LEMUEL KINNEY: There was one out there, but they were (inaudible) trying to see who was more critical, me or him, cause he was shot too twice. INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Okay. So — LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) "I don't know. He's still in the hospital. He's flicked up." INVESTIGATOR PAZ: (inaudible) RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9181) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 23 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 what? LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) so they said (inaudible) Oh, he was trying to fight the (inaudible) ah — medical staff or Yeah. He like suicidal-type shit, you know? INVESTIGATOR PAZ: So you — so now we know what you were doing as far as Brattis - Brattis, right? I know you said everything happened quick but if you can try to remember what happened when — when you stopped, what was Brattis doing? LEMUEL KINNEY: I didn't even look away because I was driving and (inaudible) such narrow turns that I didn't even take my eyes off the road and then like literally (inaudible) at, ah — the police had already passed by me. boom. INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Um-hm. LEMUEL KINNEY: The first car. They were — they were back to back, boom, INVESTIGATOR PAZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: They were all — They were all (inaudible) -- coming up? Yeah. INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Well, let me ask you this. Urn — okay. So I know you said you weren't really watching them as you were taking off, but when he came back to the car after he mugged the lady, that's when he came back to the car and you guys left, right? When you came back to the car, did he have the purse in his hand? LEMUEL KINNEY: Just when I find out about the purse, so (inaudible) get to that. INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Okay. LEMUEL KINNEY: After we get shot or whatever, he's sitting in the car (inaudible) "I can't take this (inaudible) I got two strikes." I'm like, "Yeah. (inaudible) it's right in the (inaudible) I ain't (inaudible) be in none of this, but (inaudible) like "What the fuck is you doing, bro?" I'm like — and that's when I asked him like, "Are you (inaudible) or something?" He like, "Hell, yeah." I'm like (inaudible) RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFFS DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 23 1 2 3 4 5 what? 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) so they said (inaudible) Oh, he was trying to fight the (inaudible) ah — medical staff or Yeah. He like suicidal-type shit, you know? INVESTIGATOR PAZ: So you — so now we know what you were doing as far as Brattis — Brattis, right? I know you said everything happened quick but if you can try to remember what happened when — when you stopped, what was Brattis doing? LEMUEL KINNEY: I didn't even look away because I was driving and (inaudible) such narrow tums that I didn't even take my eyes off the road and then like literally (inaudible) at, ah — the police had already passed by me. boom. INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Um-hm. LEMUEL KINNEY: The first car. They were — they were back to back, boom, INVESTIGATOR PAZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: They were all — They were all (inaudible) coming up? Yeah. INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Weil, let me ask you this. Um — okay. So I know you said you weren't really watching them as you were taking off, but when he came back to the car after he mugged the lady, that's when he came back to the car and you guys left, right? When you came back to the car, did he have the purse in his hand? LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Okay. Just when I find out about the purse, so (inaudible) get to that. LEMUEL KINNEY: After we get shot or whatever, he's sitting in the car (inaudible) "I can't take this (inaudible) I got two strikes." I'm like, "Yeah. (inaudible) it's right in the (inaudible) I ain't (inaudible) be in none of this, but (inaudible) like "What the fuck is you doing, bro?" I'm like — and that's when I asked him like, "Are you (inaudible) or something?" He like, "Hell, yeah." Pm like (inaudible) RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 24 I 2 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: (inaudible) that was after the shooting. You guys — 3 4 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 5 6 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: You guys were talking? 7 8 LEMUEL KINNEY: We were just sitting in the car (inaudible) they — they wasn't 9 telling us — they wasn't doing nothing, but they had their dogs barking and they were just popping 10 off orders that we (inaudible) already — 11 12 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: (inaudible) were already done? 13 14 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. And my hands was like — kept like (inaudible) shot in 15 the shoulder, so (inaudible) "Put your fucking hands up." (inaudible) 16 17 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: So Brattis told you that he pulled the gun — 18 19 LEMUEL KINNEY: He told me, "Yeah, her purse is underneath his seat." He's like 20 (inaudible) her purse under my seat (inaudible) and (inaudible) 21 22 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Did he pull the gun on the cops? Is that why they shot? 23 24 LEMUEL KINNEY: That's why they shot him. I'm trying to figure out why they 25 shot me, though. 26 27 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Okay. So he did pull the gun — from what he told you — 28 29 LEMUEL KINNEY: What he told me — 30 31 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: That he pulled the gun on the cops. Okay. 32 33 LEMUEL KINNEY: That's what he (inaudible) 34 35 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: That's not — that's not very smart on his end, right? 36 37 LEMUEL KINNEY: Not very smart, but I'm trying to figure out why those shells 38 was poked through my window cause I had pulled no — no gun on (inaudible) and they did. They hit 39 my car. I didn't try to reverse. I didn't try to go forward no more, nothing. I get — 40 41 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: So as far as you know, Brattis had one gun? 42 43 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 24 1 2 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: (inaudible) that was after the shooting. You guys — 3 4 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 5 6 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: You guys were talking? 7 8 LEMUEL KINNEY: We were just sitting in the car (inaudible) they — they wasn't 9 telling us — they wasn't doing nothing, but they had their dogs barking and they were just popping 10 off orders that we (inaudible) already — 11 12 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: (inaudible) were already done? 13 14 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. And my hands was like — kept like (inaudible) shot in 15 the shoulder, so (inaudible) "Put your fucking hands up." (inaudible) 16 17 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: So Brattis told you that he pulled the gun — 18 19 LEMUEL KINNEY: He told me, "Yeah, her purse is underneath his seat." He's like 20 (inaudible) her purse under my seat (inaudible) and (inaudible) 21 22 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Did he pull the gun on the cops? Is that why they shot? 23 24 LEMUEL KINNEY: That's why they shot him. I'm trying to figure out why they 25 shot me, though. 26 27 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Okay. So he did pull the gun — from what he told you — 28 29 LEMUEL KINNEY: What he told me — 30 31 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: That he pulled the gun on the cops. Okay. 32 33 LEMUEL KINNEY: That's what he (inaudible) 34 35 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: That's not — that's not very smart on his end, right? 36 37 LEMUEL KINNEY: Not very smart, but I'm trying to figure out why those shells 38 was poked through my window cause I had pulled no — no gun on (inaudible) and they did. They hit 39 my car. I didn't try to reverse. I didn't try to go forward no more, nothing. I get — 40 41 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: So as far as you know, Brads had one gun? 42 43 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 25 1 2 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Is there — 3 4 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 5 6 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: -- any other guns that we're gonna find in the car when we — 7 when we check the car? 8 9 LEMUEL KINNEY: No, you shouldn't. (inaudible) 10 11 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: (inaudible) we shouldn't (laughing) but as far as you didn't 12 have a gun is what I'm asking. 13 14 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. No, I didn't have any firearms (inaudible) 15 16 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: So if there are more than one firearms, who would they have 17 been — belonged to? 18 19 LEMUEL KINNEY: His. 20 21 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: His? Okay. Your fingerprints, your DNA, nothing will come 22 back on the (inaudible) what if there's more guns than that? 23 24 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 25 26 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: None of your DNA or fingerprints will not be on any of 27 them? 28 29 LEMUEL KINNEY: None of them. 30 31 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Okay. Urn — so back up a little bit and this (inaudible) this is 32 what I was asking you also. When, ah — when — when Brattis mugged the chic — the lady, you said 33 you saw him with the gun when he — when he got out? 34 35 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. (inaudible) 36 37 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: (inaudible) 38 39 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) get that (inaudible) every time he got out, I knew 40 (inaudible) 41 42 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Oh, you knew he had a gun? When he came back after he 43 mugged the lady, did he have the gun in his hand? Did he put it (inaudible) RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 25 1 2 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Is there — 3 4 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 5 6 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: — any other guns that we're gonna find in the car when we — 7 when we check the car? 8 9 LEMUEL KINNEY: No, you shouldn't. (inaudible) 10 11 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: (inaudible) we shouldn't (laughing) but as far as you didn't 12 have a gun is what I'm asking. 13 14 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. No, I didn't have any firearms (inaudible) 15 16 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: So if there are more than one firearms, who would they have 17 been —belonged to? 18 19 LEMUEL KINNEY: His. 20 21 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: His? Okay. Your fingerprints, your DNA, nothing will come 22 back on the (inaudible) what if there's more guns than that? 23 24 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 25 26 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: None of your DNA or fingerprints will not be on any of 27 them? 28 29 LEMUEL KINNEY: None of them. 30 31 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Okay. Urn — so back up a little bit and this (inaudible) this is 32 what I was asking you also. When, ah — when — when Brattis mugged the chic — the lady, you said 33 you saw him with the gun when he — when he got out? 34 35 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. (inaudible) 36 37 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: (inaudible) 38 39 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) get that (inaudible) every time he got out, I knew 40 (inaudible) 41 42 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Oh, you knew he had a gun? When he came back after he 43 mugged the lady, did he have the gun in his hand? Did he put it (inaudible) RIVERSIDE COUN1Y- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 26 LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: you didn't see the purse. LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) INVESTIGATOR PAZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: what were your thoughts like? Is — LEMUEL KINNEY: I don't know. I told him (inaudible) INVESTIGATOR PAZ: (inaudible) LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) before he stopped right there, like, (inaudible) I gotta go. I've been waiting around too long for this mysterious person, you know? (inaudible) was there. (inaudible) (inaudible) put it in his pocket — (inaudible) underneath his - his jacket (inaudible) He had already hidden it at that point — or even the purse cause (inaudible) I didn't see that either (inaudible) Not until after he (inaudible) (inaudible) I got out (inaudible) and he was just tripping Got cha. Oh, okay. And she was just crying and (inaudible) home. Now, when he came back to the car after he mugged the lady, INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Um-hm. Did you know he had already — or did you think he had mugged that lady when she screamed? LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. (inaudible) she came (inaudible) the front (inaudible) she came screaming, then, yeah, I knew (inaudible) to happen, but he had already told me what happened. INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Well, obviously if he did pull the gun on the cops, then that makes sense as to why they fired, right? I know you were asking why did they shoot at you — LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) cause they — but you could tell it was (inaudible) all you had to do is look at the hood. RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 26 1 2 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) was there. (inaudible) 3 4 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: (inaudible) put it in his pocket — 5 6 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) underneath his — his jacket (inaudible) 7 8 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: He had already hidden it at that point — or even the purse cause 9 you didn't see the purse. 10 11 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) I didn't see that either (inaudible) 12 13 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Not until after he (inaudible) 14 15 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) I got out (inaudible) and he was just tripping 16 (inaudible) 17 18 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Got cha. Oh, okay. 19 20 LEMUEL KINNEY: And she was just crying and (inaudible) home. 21 22 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Now, when he came back to the car after he mugged the lady, 23 what were your thoughts like? Is — 24 25 LEMUEL KINNEY: I don't know. I told him (inaudible) 26 27 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: (inaudible) 28 29 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) before he stopped right there, like, (inaudible) I 30 gotta go. I've been waiting around too long for this mysterious person, you know? 31 32 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Um-hm. Did you know he had already — or did you think he 33 had mugged that lady when she screamed? 34 35 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. (inaudible) she came (inaudible) the front (inaudible) 36 she came screaming, then, yeah, I knew (inaudible) to happen, but he had already told me what 37 happened. 38 39 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Well, obviously if he did pull the gun on the cops, then that 40 makes sense as to why they fired, right? I know you were asking why did they shoot at you — 41 42 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) cause they — but you could tell it was (inaudible) 43 all you had to do is look at the hood. RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 27 1 2 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Yeah. We'll — we'll check all that, but that's why I want to — 3 you were there (inaudible) 4 5 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 6 7 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: That's where we want our (inaudible) 8 9 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) the car (inaudible) like they — they shot the fuck 10 out of his side of the car, but somebody put nine rounds into my window. 11 12 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Okay. 13 14 LEMUEL KINNEY: A whole clip (inaudible) and they shot me twice. 15 16 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Okay. We'll check that out — 17 18 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) my hands was clear as day. 19 20 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: All right. 21 22 LEMUEL KINNEY: And — 23 24 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: (inaudible) 25 26 LEMUEL KINNEY: -- it didn't go down until they put it down and shot me. 27 28 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Obviously — obviously we have to check all that. We're gonna 29 process the vehicle, check ballistics, all that stuff. That's — everything that we have to do on our 30 end. 31 32 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. 33 34 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Part of our investigation is obviously talking to you and that's 35 why we're here, okay? You know, we (inaudible) there's a bunch of us out here working right now 36 and we're all dealing with everything at the same time. Ah — right now, my partner and I, our focus 37 is — is you — talking to you. Um — so, we'll — that's something that we will look into also, what 38 you're saying. Urn — as far as, ah — let me ask you this and this is just a common sense question 39 cause this is - this is how I think I know (inaudible) with my partner long enough (inaudible) he 40 would probably think the same way. If we're (inaudible) together and he sees me doing stupid shit, 41 he's gonna be like, "You know what? I'm out." (inaudible) 42 43 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) the first time. RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9181) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 27 1 2 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Yeah. We'll — we'll check all that, but that's why I want to — 3 you were there (inaudible) 4 5 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 6 7 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: That's where we want our (inaudible) 8 9 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) the car (inaudible) like they — they shot the fuck 10 out of his side of the car, but somebody put nine rounds into my window. 11 12 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Okay. 13 14 LEMUEL KINNEY: A whole clip (inaudible) and they shot me twice. 15 16 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Okay. We'll check that out — 17 18 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) my hands was clear as day. 19 20 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: All right. 21 22 LEMUEL KINNEY: And — 23 24 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: (inaudible) 25 26 LEMUEL KINNEY: -- it didn't go down until they put it down and shot me. 27 28 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Obviously — obviously we have to check all that. We're gonna 29 process the vehicle, check ballistics, all that stuff. That's — everything that we have to do on our 30 end. 31 32 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. 33 34 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Part of our investigation is obviously talking to you and that's 35 why we're here, okay? You know, we (inaudible) there's a bunch of us out here working right now 36 and we're all dealing with everything at the same time. Ah — right now, my partner and I, our focus 37 is — is you — talking to you. Um — so, we'll — that's something that we will look into also, what 38 you're saying. Um — as far as, ah — let me ask you this and this is just a common sense question 39 cause this is — this is how I think I know (inaudible) with my partner long enough (inaudible) he 40 would probably think the same way. If we're (inaudible) together and he sees me doing stupid shit, 41 he's gonna be like, "You know what? I'm out." (inaudible) 42 43 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) the first time. RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9181) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 28 1 2 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: (inaudible) 3 4 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 5 6 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Why — why did you — 7 8 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) first I was like — I thought like, "Why is this lady 9 screaming (inaudible)" 10 11 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Especially if he pointed the gun at you and then — 12 13 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 14 15 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: -- and then when you get here — 16 17 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 18 19 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: -- or why didn't you just take off? 20 21 LEMUEL KINNEY: I was about (inaudible) that's when I (inaudible) around the 22 corner. He never got out of the car already until like (inaudible) on his car. 23 24 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: No, but (inaudible) 25 26 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 27 28 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: -- when — when — when he wouldn't — you said when you guys 29 came — came to this — I - I understand the other (inaudible) casino. You picked him up cause he's 30 running. He points the gun at you, says, "Let's go to this casino." 31 32 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. 33 34 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Right? When you get here, you said he went into the casino 35 and you followed him. 36 37 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 38 39 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Why didn't you just bounce at that point is what I'm 40 wondering? 41 42 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) my car was all on camera and (inaudible) he 43 getting out (inaudible) and walking into a casino full of people. RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 28 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: 8 LEMUEL KINNEY: screaming (inaudible)" INVESTIGATOR PAZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: corner. He never got out of the car INVESTIGATOR PAZ: (inaudible) (inaudible) Why —why did you — (inaudible) first I was like — I thought like, "Why is this lady Especially if he pointed the gun at you and then — (inaudible) -- and then when you get here — (inaudible) -- or why didn't you just take off? I was about (inaudible) that's when I (inaudible) around the already until like (inaudible) on his car. No, but (inaudible) LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) INVESTIGATOR PAZ: -- when — when — when he wouldn't — you said when you guys came — came to this — I — I understand the other (inaudible) casino. You picked him up cause he's running. He points the gun at you, says, "Let's go to this casino." LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Right? When you get here, you said he went into the casino and you followed him. LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Why didn't you just bounce at that point is what I'm wondering? LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) my car was all on camera and (inaudible) he getting out (inaudible) and walking into a casino full of people. RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 29 I 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: But, yeah, that — but that would be easily explained. "Fuck, yeah, I got the hell out of there cause — cause he's acting stupid. You know what I mean? LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Instead of sticking around (inaudible) that's (inaudible) common sense to me. So what you're saying is that you stuck around because you thought you would get in trouble because your car's on camera? LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) but I know he (inaudible) and everything, so I didn't know what he was going in there to do. I (inaudible) right now, so I just went to see, but when he wasn't doing nothing, I just — I told him when he came back in the car that (inaudible) "We got to go." INVESTIGATOR PAZ: You got to go, but then that's when you started doing the other (inaudible) LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: he (inaudible) LEMUEL KINNEY: it (inaudible) INVESTIGATOR PAZ: (inaudible) did that last one right there and (inaudible) Now, as far as, ah — you said he (inaudible) how do you know Well, shit, he always (inaudible) always (inaudible) talk about So as far as you know — just what you've heard is — did you do — did you see him do any shroom today or you just assumed he does shroom because of what you heard? LEMUEL KINNEY: I mean, shit. We — we smoked a few cigarettes, but I don't know if any of his cigarettes was dipped (inaudible) cigarette. INVESTIGATOR PAZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Got it. So as far as you know (inaudible) (inaudible) He — he dips his shit? (inaudible) Okay. But you don't know for sure if he did — RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 29 1 2 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: But, yeah, that — but that would be easily explained. "Fuck, 3 yeah, I got the hell out of there cause — cause he's acting stupid. You know what I mean? 4 5 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. 6 7 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Instead of sticking around (inaudible) that's (inaudible) 8 common sense to me. So what you're saying is that you stuck around because you thought you 9 would get in trouble because your car's on camera? 10 11 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) but I know he (inaudible) and everything, so I 12 didn't know what he was going in there to do. I (inaudible) right now, so I just went to see, but 13 when he wasn't doing nothing, I just — I told him when he came back in the car that (inaudible) "We 14 got to go." 15 16 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: You got to go, but then that's when you started doing the other 17 (inaudible) 18 19 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) did that last one right there and (inaudible) 20 21 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Now, as far as, ah — you said he (inaudible) how do you know 22 he (inaudible) 23 24 LEMUEL KINNEY: Well, shit, he always (inaudible) always (inaudible) talk about 25 it (inaudible) 26 27 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: So as far as you know —just what you've heard is — did you do 28 — did you see him do any shroom today or you just assumed he does shroom because of what you 29 heard? 30 31 LEMUEL KINNEY: I mean, shit. We — we smoked a few cigarettes, but I don't 32 know if any of his cigarettes was dipped (inaudible) cigarette. 33 34 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Got it. So as far as you know (inaudible) 35 36 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 37 38 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: He — he dips his shit? 39 40 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 41 42 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Okay. But you don't know for sure if he did — 43 RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 30 1 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. 2 3 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Did he smoke any of them today? 4 5 LEMUEL KINNEY: I don't know (inaudible) 6 7 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: And to you, he was just acting stupid? 8 9 LEMUEL KINNEY: He was (inaudible) 10 11 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Just doing stupid stuff? 12 13 LEMUEL KINNEY: Wiped out — yeah. 14 15 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Okay. Um — 16 17 LEMUEL KINNEY: And I'm - I'm not saying like (inaudible) like (inaudible) or 18 anything (inaudible) 19 20 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: (inaudible) I mean you — 21 22 LEMUEL KINNEY: I understand. 23 24 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: You couldn't — you couldn't know — 25 26 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 27 28 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: -- what was going on and — and — and — and now I'm gonna 29 ask you something, okay? I understand what you're saying as far as the shooting. You're not sure 30 why they shot in your direction because you — you had your hands up, but would it make sense if he 31 pulled the gun that they would be shot at? 32 33 LEMUEL KINNEY: From him (inaudible) 34 35 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Okay. That makes — that's common sense too, right? 36 37 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 38 39 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: I mean (inaudible) pointing a gun at (inaudible) 40 41 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) yeah, but they — they — they (inaudible) inside the 42 (inaudible) everything. (inaudible) 43 RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 30 1 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. 2 3 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Did he smoke any of them today? 4 5 LEMUEL KINNEY: I don't know (inaudible) 6 7 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: And to you, he was just acting stupid? 8 9 LEMUEL KINNEY: He was (inaudible) 10 11 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Just doing stupid stuff? 12 13 LEMUEL KINNEY: Wiped out — yeah. 14 15 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Okay. Um — 16 17 LEMUEL KINNEY: And I'm — I'm not saying like (inaudible) like (inaudible) or 18 anything (inaudible) 19 20 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: (inaudible) I mean you — 21 22 LEMUEL KINNEY: I understand. 23 24 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: You couldn't — you couldn't know — 25 26 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 27 28 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: -- what was going on and — and — and — and now I'm gonna 29 ask you something, okay? I understand what you're saying as far as the shooting. You're not sure 30 why they shot in your direction because you — you had your hands up, but would it make sense if he 31 pulled the gun that they would be shot at? 32 33 LEMUEL KINNEY: From him (inaudible) 34 35 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Okay. That makes — that's common sense too, right? 36 37 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 38 39 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: I mean (inaudible) pointing a gun at (inaudible) 40 41 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) yeah, but they — they — they (inaudible) inside the 42 (inaudible) everything. (inaudible) 43 RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 31 1 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Okay. (inaudible) you got anything? 2 3 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) in the hospital (inaudible) this. You already said at 4 the casino, there's fucking cameras everywhere. The eye sees everything, right? What were you 5 wearing tonight? 6 7 LEMUEL KINNEY: Um - I had on my black jacket, my (inaudible) and my red 8 socks and my red mask with my black, urn — it had like a zipper (inaudible) zipper on the side of 9 them, cargo pants. 10 11 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: What color? 12 13 LEMUEL KINNEY: They were black. But he was in my (inaudible) he was in my 14 car where all my clothes are black and all my shoes are red and black. I have two pair of blue shoes 15 (inaudible) like (inaudible) 16 17 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: And what's Brattis wearing? 18 19 LEMUEL KINNEY: Huh? 20 21 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) Brattis? 22 23 LEMUEL KINNEY: He had on a blue jacket, a grey headband. 24 25 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Headband? 26 27 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. A black — like a little (inaudible) you can put it all 28 (inaudible) together. 29 30 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Okay. (inaudible) 31 32 LEMUEL KINNEY: Can I get some water, please? 33 34 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Yeah. Yeah, we'll get you a water. 35 36 LEMUEL KINNEY: Can you try and get me a cigarette, please (inaudible) 37 38 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Oh — oh, I will. I will. Give me a second. 39 40 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: We might have to find a different (inaudible) that (inaudible) 41 42 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 43 RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9!81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 31 1 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Okay. (inaudible) you got anything? 2 3 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) in the hospital (inaudible) this. You already said at 4 the casino, there's fucking cameras everywhere. The eye sees everything, right? What were you 5 wearing tonight? 6 7 LEMUEL KINNEY: Urn — I had on my black jacket, my (inaudible) and my red 8 socks and my red mask with my black, urn — it had like a zipper (inaudible) zipper on the side of 9 them, cargo pants. 10 11 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: What color? 12 13 LEMUEL KINNEY: They were black. But he was in my (inaudible) he was in my 14 car where all my clothes are black and all my shoes are red and black. I have two pair of blue shoes 15 (inaudible) like (inaudible) 16 17 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: And what's Brattis wearing? 18 19 LEMUEL KINNEY: Huh? 20 21 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) Brattis? 22 23 LEMUEL KINNEY: He had on a bluejacket, a grey headband. 24 25 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Headband? 26 27 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. A black — like a little (inaudible) you can put it all 28 (inaudible) together. 29 30 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Okay. (inaudible) 31 32 LEMUEL KINNEY: Can I get some water, please? 33 34 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Yeah. Yeah, we'll get you a water. 35 36 LEMUEL KINNEY: Can you try and get me a cigarette, please (inaudible) 37 38 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Oh — oh, I will. I will. Give me a second. 39 40 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: We might have to find a different (inaudible) that (inaudible) 41 42 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 43 RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9181) 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 shit. 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 2 3 4 RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 32 1 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: 5 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: bro? How old is he? (Laughing) (inaudible) All right. (inaudible) Brattis (inaudible) do you know Brattis by any other name, LEMUEL KINNEY: He just got out of prison (inaudible) INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Hold old? 30's? 20's? LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: 40's? LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) I think he's (inaudible) 30. INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: What hood is he from? LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Avalon. (inaudible) he gonna get all these papers (inaudible) What's that? He gonna (inaudible) (inaudible) (inaudible) But at this point, who — if - if- if (inaudible) (inaudible) yeah, I know cause (inaudible) (inaudible) I'm trying to save myself right now. Yeah. Who put you in the situation (inaudible) RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 shit. 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 32 1 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: bro? How old is he? LEMUEL KINNEY: (Laughing) (inaudible) All right. (inaudible) Brattis (inaudible) do you know Brattis by any other name, He just got out of prison (inaudible) INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Hold old? 30's? 20's? LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: 40's? LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) I think he's (inaudible) 30. INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: What hood is he from? LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Avalon. (inaudible) he gonna get all these papers (inaudible) What's that? He gonna (inaudible) (inaudible) (inaudible) But at this point, who — if— if— if (inaudible) (inaudible) yeah, I know cause (inaudible) (inaudible) I'm trying to save myself right now. Yeah. Who put you in the situation (inaudible) RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 33 1 2 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 3 4 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: You know, if you're telling us — if everything you say is true 5 — 6 7 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) it is. 8 9 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: -- I'd be like, "Fuck that guy." 10 11 LEMUEL KINNEY: I already (inaudible) 12 13 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) so you're saying blue jacket, grey/black headband, 14 a black face cover. What color shirt? Shorts, pants, what? 15 16 LEMUEL KINNEY: Pants and he had on blue — blue pants (inaudible) casual. He 17 didn't even have a hood on the jacket. 18 19 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: How about a shirt? 20 21 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 22 23 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) DHS, Desert Hot Springs cause (inaudible) with 24 his sister. He asked for you a ride to (inaudible) casino (inaudible) just so I get it right. Which 25 casino did you stop off at first, Palm Springs or Rancho? 26 27 LEMUEL KINNEY: Rancho. 28 29 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Rancho. The one right off the freeway, right? 30 31 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. 32 33 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: All right. 34 35 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 36 37 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) 38 39 LEMUEL KINNEY: I mean I'm pretty sure you guys know (inaudible) 40 41 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: I'm asking you. 42 RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9181) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 33 1 2 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 3 4 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: You know, if you're telling us — if everything you say is true 5 — 6 7 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) it is. 8 9 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: -- I'd be like, "Fuck that guy." 10 11 LEMUEL KINNEY: I already (inaudible) 12 13 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) so you're saying bluejacket, grey/black headband, 14 a black face cover. What color shirt? Shorts, pants, what? 15 16 LEMUEL KINNEY: Pants and he had on blue — blue pants (inaudible) casual. He 17 didn't even have a hood on the jacket. 18 19 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: How about a shirt? 20 21 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 22 23 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) DHS, Desert Hot Springs cause (inaudible) with 24 his sister. He asked for you a ride to (inaudible) casino (inaudible) just so I get it right. Which 25 casino did you stop off at first, Palm Springs or Rancho? 26 27 LEMUEL KINNEY: Rancho. 28 29 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Rancho. The one right off the freeway, right? 30 31 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. 32 33 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: All right. 34 35 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 36 37 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) 38 39 LEMUEL KINNEY: I mean I'm pretty sure you guys know (inaudible) 40 41 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: I'm asking you. 42 RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 34 1 LEMUEL KINNEY: I'm assuming he tried to (inaudible) too. When I got to 2 (inaudible) he was already (inaudible) out of the parking lot and this was all (inaudible) got out of 3 the car and took off walking. He said he's be back. 4 5 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: So that's a different (inaudible) the one we haven't talked 6 about. 7 8 LEMUEL KINNEY: Or a different Iady. 9 10 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Okay. 11 12 LEMUEL KINNEY: So (inaudible) 13 14 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Something happens to the lady. Tell me about it. How — how 15 did it go down? 16 17 LEMUEL KINNEY: I don't know. I didn't see it. If I did, I would tell you. 18 19 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: So you weren't anywhere near him? 20 21 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 22 23 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Where did you drop him off? 24 25 LEMUEL KINNEY: I parked maybe 10 cars back. She was in (inaudible) she was 26 right on the edge. She was right on the edge. 27 28 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Um-hm. 29 30 LEMUEL KINNEY: And I (inaudible) a light and I parked all the way down, so I 31 could (inaudible) and got out. (inaudible) 32 33 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) or you just got out and walked right straight 34 (inaudible) 35 36 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) this is (inaudible) I didn't see where he was. He 37 got out. (inaudible) stairs, followed it (inaudible) you know? (inaudible) first (inaudible) boom, a 38 lady screaming (inaudible) I'm like, "What the fuck?" (inaudible) a car, everyone honking their 39 horns (inaudible) that your car (inaudible) car in the (inaudible) going on? I pull right up. 40 (inaudible) but I see (inaudible) so I (inaudible) nothing in his hands, though. 41 42 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: So he was (inaudible) 43 RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 34 1 LEMUEL KINNEY: I'm assuming he tried to (inaudible) too. When I got to 2 (inaudible) he was already (inaudible) out of the parking lot and this was all (inaudible) got out of 3 the car and took off walking. He said he's be back. 4 5 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: So that's a different (inaudible) the one we haven't talked 6 about. 7 8 LEMUEL KINNEY: Or a different lady. 9 10 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Okay. 11 12 LEMUEL KINNEY: So (inaudible) 13 14 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Something happens to the lady. Tell me about it. How — how 15 did it go down? 16 17 LEMUEL KINNEY: I don't know. I didn't see it. If! did, I would tell you. 18 19 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: So you weren't anywhere near him? 20 21 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 22 23 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Where did you drop him off? 24 25 LEMUEL KINNEY: I parked maybe 10 cars back. She was in (inaudible) she was 26 right on the edge. She was right on the edge. 27 28 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Um-hm. 29 30 LEMUEL KINNEY: And I (inaudible) a light and I parked all the way down, so I 31 could (inaudible) and got out. (inaudible) 32 33 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) or you just got out and walked right straight 34 (inaudible) 35 36 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) this is (inaudible) I didn't see where he was. He 37 got out. (inaudible) stairs, followed it (inaudible) you know? (inaudible) first (inaudible) boom, a 38 lady screaming (inaudible) I'm like, "What the fuck?" (inaudible) a car, everyone honking their 39 horns (inaudible) that your car (inaudible) car in the (inaudible) going on? I pull right up. 40 (inaudible) but I see (inaudible) so I (inaudible) nothing in his hands, though. 41 42 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: So he was (inaudible) 43 RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 35 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. (inaudible) INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: You think that was normal? LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) I do. INVESTIGATOR PAZ: (inaudible) you know for — for him, but not for you, right? LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) INVESTIGATOR PAZ: (inaudible) he's just in the (inaudible) LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) like, "What happened?" (inaudible) cause, you know, it is a war out here right now with (inaudible) INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) I grew up in the streets. INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) the lady? No. (inaudible) I heard the lady screaming — Uh-huh. -- but I'm thinking maybe somebody tried to rob him cause So (inaudible) you — you were (inaudible) (inaudible) (inaudible) could you see him walking to the lady or no? I (inaudible) Okay. (inaudible) got out of the car. So where would (inaudible) that you decided (inaudible) (inaudible) came around the corner. Okay. He rounds the corner. RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 35 LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) like, "What happened?" (inaudible) cause, you know, it is a war out here right now with (inaudible) INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) I grew up in the streets. INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. (inaudible) You think that was normal? (inaudible) I do. (inaudible) you know for — for him, but not for you, right? (inaudible) (inaudible) he's just in the (inaudible) (inaudible) the lady? No. (inaudible) I heard the lady screaming — Uh-huh. -- but I'm thinking maybe somebody tried to rob him cause So (inaudible) you — you were (inaudible) (inaudible) (inaudible) could you see him walking to the lady or no? I (inaudible) Okay. (inaudible) got out of the car. So where would (inaudible) that you decided (inaudible) (inaudible) came around the corner. Okay. He rounds the corner. RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 36 1 2 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: And then you hear some lady screaming? 3 4 LEMUEL KINNEY: Like five, six seconds later. 5 6 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: So did you drive toward the screaming or toward the 7 (inaudible) 8 9 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) the screaming. 10 11 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Okay. 12 13 LEMUEL KINNEY: And (inaudible) 14 15 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) 16 17 LEMUEL KINNEY: He's not there. 18 19 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: So, did you take the lead? 20 21 LEMUEL KINNEY: She (inaudible) back in her car. There's another dude — this 22 other car like chasing him, so I'm like, "What the fuck?" 23 24 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Chasing him — 25 26 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 27 28 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) car? 29 30 LEMUEL KINNEY: BMW. 31 32 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: What color? 33 34 LEMUEL KINNEY: Silver. 35 36 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) that car? 37 38 LEMUEL KINNEY: Shit. Maybe it's chasing him out of the parking lot like 39 (inaudible) 40 41 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: So where (inaudible) that you picked him up? 42 43 LEMUEL KINNEY: Right there (inaudible) the parking lot. RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 36 1 2 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: And then you hear some lady screaming? 3 4 LEMUEL KINNEY: Like five, six seconds later. 5 6 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: So did you drive toward the screaming or toward the 7 (inaudible) 8 9 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) the screaming. 10 11 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Okay. 12 13 LEMUEL KINNEY: And (inaudible) 14 15 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) 16 17 LEMUEL KINNEY: He's not there. 18 19 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: So, did you take the lead? 20 21 LEMUEL KINNEY: She (inaudible) back in her car. There's another dude — this 22 other car like chasing him, so I'm like, "What the fuck?" 23 24 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Chasing him — 25 26 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 27 28 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) car? 29 30 LEMUEL KINNEY: BMW. 31 32 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: What color? 33 34 LEMUEL KINNEY: Silver. 35 36 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) that car? 37 38 LEMUEL KINNEY: Shit. Maybe it's chasing him out of the parking lot like 39 (inaudible) 40 41 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: So where (inaudible) that you picked him up? 42 43 LEMUEL KINNEY: Right there (inaudible) the parking lot. RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9181) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 37 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Out the parking structure? LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. (inaudible) still (inaudible) a little bit, but like what I was thinking to do was (inaudible) ram it (inaudible) like — just ran him off cause he was just (inaudible) like (inaudible) INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) you said you didn't see it. LEMUEL KINNEY: I said I'm assuming. INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Okay. LEMUEL KINNEY: I just said that. I said, "I'm assuming the guy." We're just trying to scare him off cause he was trying to mug the lady. I'm just assuming. INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Okay. LEMUEL KINNEY: After everything had gone on with the (inaudible) but yeah — INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: So when you picked him up, what does he tell you? LEMUEL KINNEY: Nothing. (inaudible) "Let's go." (inaudible) INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: So did you drive normal? Did you drive all the way like a bat out of hell? LEMUEL KINNEY: Drove home (inaudible) INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: So you just cruised up? LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) out. I'm like he didn't talk with me about nothing. He's just saying, "Let's go." (inaudible) like (inaudible) INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: way down. Were your lights on? With the lights on. Okay. So you drive out and go where? Make a right, make a left on Bob Hope. We take that all the RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 37 1 2 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Out the parking structure? 3 4 LEMUEL IUNNEY: Yeah. (inaudible) still (inaudible) a little bit, but like what I 5 was thinking to do was (inaudible) ram it (inaudible) like —just ran him off cause he was just 6 (inaudible) like (inaudible) 7 8 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) you said you didn't see it. 9 10 LEMUEL KINNEY: I said I'm assuming. 11 12 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Okay. 13 14 LEMUEL KINNEY: I just said that. I said, "I'm assuming the guy." We're just 15 trying to scare him off cause he was trying to mug the lady. I'm just assuming. 16 17 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Okay. 18 19 LEMUEL KINNEY: After everything had gone on with the (inaudible) but yeah 20 21 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: So when you picked him up, what does he tell you? 22 23 LEMUEL KINNEY: Nothing. (inaudible) "Let's go." (inaudible) 24 25 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: So did you drive normal? Did you drive all the way like a bat 26 out of hell? 27 28 LEMUEL KINNEY: Drove home (inaudible) 29 30 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: So you just cruised up? 31 32 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) out. I'm like he didn't talk with me about nothing. 33 He's just saying, "Let's go." (inaudible) like (inaudible) 34 35 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Were your lights on? 36 37 LEMUEL KINNEY: With the lights on. 38 39 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Okay. So you drive out and go where? 40 41 LEMUEL KINNEY: Make a right, make a left on Bob Hope. We take that all the 42 way down. 43 RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 38 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: To the next casino. Who decided to go to the next casino? He did. I was the driver. Okay. (inaudible) (inaudible) for the night. What did he say? He's like, "Oh (inaudible) he's tripping." Okay. So (inaudible) nothing to (inaudible) So that's when you go (inaudible) LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) all the time. Fucking in bathrooms. They hide — they hide — they hide cable (inaudible) in (inaudible) bathrooms and (inaudible) INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Okay. So then you come up to Palm Springs, right? And you never made it outside to go into the casino the first time? LEMUEL KINNEY: I never made it to the — (inaudible) inside my car. INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: And that's it off the freeway (inaudible) LEMUEL KINNEY: It even says like (inaudible) off the freeway from anywhere. I didn't get out of my (inaudible) that one time to see what he — he was doing inside the casino. I didn't really see much, so I got out of the car. INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: And you drove into the parking structure and you guys were going to the casino to (inaudible) LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) yeah, that's what I was gonna go to, the casino. INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: So when you normally go to the casino, do you drive around the parking lot? LEMUEL KINNEY: Hell, no. INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: So (inaudible) RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) I 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 38 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: To the next casino. Who decided to go to the next casino? He did. I was the driver. Okay. (inaudible) (inaudible) for the night. What did he say? He's like, "Oh (inaudible) he's tripping." Okay. So (inaudible) nothing to (inaudible) So that's when you go (inaudible) LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) all the time. Fucking in bathrooms. They hide — they hide — they hide cable (inaudible) in (inaudible) bathrooms and (inaudible) INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Okay. So then you come up to Palm Springs, right? And you never made it outside to go into the casino the first time? LEMUEL KINNEY: I never made it to the — (inaudible) inside my car. INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: And that's it off the freeway (inaudible) LEMUEL KINNEY: It even says like (inaudible) off the freeway from anywhere. I didn't get out of my (inaudible) that one time to see what he — he was doing inside the casino. I didn't really see much, so I got out of the car. INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: And you drove into the parking structure and you guys were going to the casino to (inaudible) LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) yeah, that's what I was gonna go to, the casino. INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: So when you normally go to the casino, do you drive around the parking lot? LEMUEL KINNEY: Hell, no. INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: So (inaudible) RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 39 1 2 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) for somebody to — 3 4 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: But if there's surveillance video of you driving around the 5 parking structure and — 6 7 LEMUEL KINNEY: Cause every other car is her car (inaudible) just (inaudible) I 8 don't have my phone. I left it in San Bernardino. Coincidentally (inaudible) at being home cause 9 she (inaudible) call me, but since she couldn't call me, I called my (inaudible) 10 11 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Did he have a cell phone on him? 12 13 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. Cause I don't know his number and I couldn't sign into 14 Facebook cause I don't (inaudible) 15 16 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: I know, but does he call anybody trying to figure out where — 17 where (inaudible) 18 19 LEMUEL KINNEY: He was texting somebody — whoever he was texting 20 (inaudible) he (inaudible) he (inaudible) nobody was answering, so I'm like (inaudible) I was 21 (inaudible) thinking that, but I couldn't — (inaudible) that's it (inaudible) shut him up. 22 23 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Okay. 24 25 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) fix this again, Bro. 26 27 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: So then what happens once you get (inaudible) does the same 28 thing happen in Palm Springs? Are you guys just driving around the parking lot looking for this 29 female? 30 31 LEMUEL KINNEY: In Palm Springs? 32 33 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Yeah. 34 35 LEMUEL KINNEY: Well (inaudible) on Bob Hope — I only drove from the third 36 floor down to the bottom (inaudible) he said, ah — (inaudible) 37 38 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) 39 40 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. I didn't (inaudible) five minutes. 41 42 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Okay. And what happens (inaudible) 43 RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 39 1 2 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) for somebody to — 3 4 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: But if there's surveillance video of you driving around the 5 parking structure and — 6 7 LEMUEL KINNEY: Cause every other car is her car (inaudible) just (inaudible) I 8 don't have my phone. I left it in San Bernardino. Coincidentally (inaudible) at being home cause 9 she (inaudible) call me, but since she couldn't call me, I called my (inaudible) 10 11 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Did he have a cell phone on him? 12 13 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah, Cause I don't know his number and I couldn't sign into 14 Facebook cause I don't (inaudible) 15 16 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: I know, but does he call anybody trying to figure out where — 17 where (inaudible) 18 19 LEMUEL KINNEY: He was texting somebody — whoever he was texting 20 (inaudible) he (inaudible) he (inaudible) nobody was answering, so I'm like (inaudible) I was 21 (inaudible) thinking that, but I couldn't — (inaudible) that's it (inaudible) shut him up. 22 23 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Okay. 24 25 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) fix this again, Bro. 26 27 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: So then what happens once you get (inaudible) does the same 28 thing happen in Palm Springs? Are you guys just driving around the parking lot looking for this 29 female? 30 31 LEMUEL KINNEY: In Palm Springs? 32 33 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Yeah. 34 35 LEMUEL KINNEY: Well (inaudible) on Bob Hope — I only drove from the third 36 floor down to the bottom (inaudible) he said, ah — (inaudible) 37 38 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) 39 40 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. I didn't (inaudible) five minutes. 41 42 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Okay. And what happens (inaudible) 43 RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 40 LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: right? The one right off the freeway LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: into the guy with a BMW? black — there. LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) Palm Springs? Uh-huh. (inaudible) I just want to get this right. You said you went to Rancho first, Yeah. -- you went there first? Yeah. Then you came up here, right? So where is it that you guys run At the — at the one over there on Bob Hope (inaudible) But you said he walked up on somebody — what was it? A A black BMW or a black (inaudible) (inaudible) when is that then? (inaudible) that was at this one in Palm Springs (inaudible) Okay. LEMUEL KINNEY: But he just went up to his car and like that's when I realized there was bullshit going on cause he had his top (inaudible) INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: I thought you were (inaudible) bullshit going from the one by the freeway. LEMUEL KINNEY: No. That's — that's — that's — that right there, he — when he didn't want to tell me nothing, I'm like, "Ah, he's not telling me nothing. There's some bullshit going on." INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: So when you drive up (inaudible) RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 40 LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: right? The one right off the freeway LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: into the guy with a BMW? LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: black — there. LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) Palm Springs? Uh-huh. (inaudible) I just want to get this right. You said you went to Rancho first, Yeah. -- you went there first? Yeah. Then you came up here, right? So where is it that you guys run At the — at the one over there on Bob Hope (inaudible) But you said he walked up on somebody — what was it? A A black BMW or a black (inaudible) (inaudible) when is that then? (inaudible) that was at this one in Palm Springs (inaudible) Okay. LEMUEL KINNEY: But he just went up to his car and like that's when I realized there was bullshit going on cause he had his top (inaudible) INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: I thought you were (inaudible) bullshit going from the one by the freeway. LEMUEL KINNEY: No. That's — that's — that's — that right there, he — when he didn't want to tell me nothing, I'm like, "Ah, he's not telling me nothing. There's some bullshit going on." INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: So when you drive up (inaudible) RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9181) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 41 1 2 LEMUEL KINNEY: So I'm driving (inaudible) cause I don't want to get pulled 3 over. I'm already telling him like, "Oh — oh, my — I got to go, bro." He (inaudible) you know 4 (inaudible) he (inaudible) 5 6 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Okay. The car you're driving, you're saying it's your 7 girlfriend's car, right? 8 9 LEMUEL KINNEY: My girlfriend's car. 10 11 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: What's up with the plates? 12 13 LEMUEL KINNEY: We just got it from the dealership. (inaudible) they should be 14 with the car. 15 16 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Okay. But the plates that are on there right now aren't the 17 plates. 18 19 LEMUEL KINNEY: Oh, yeah. (inaudible) they should be on the car. I ain't even 20 drove (inaudible) 21 22 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: So who put the plates that are on it right now? 23 24 LEMUEL KINNEY: The plates that are on the car should be the ones for the car. 25 26 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) 27 28 LEMUEL KINNEY: I didn't pay attention to it. 29 30 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Can I ask you question (inaudible) about the gun and the DNA 31 and fingerprints (inaudible) right? You said absolutely not. 32 33 LEMUEL KINNEY: No. 34 35 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: There's no way you (inaudible) anything of you is gonna be 36 on — on that gun? 37 38 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. 39 40 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Why do you have a gun that (inaudible) find another gun in 41 the car? 42 43 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 41 1 2 LEMUEL KINNEY: So I'm driving (inaudible) cause I don't want to get pulled 3 over. I'm already telling him like, "Oh — oh, my — I got to go, bro." He (inaudible) you know 4 (inaudible) he (inaudible) 5 6 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Okay. The car you're driving, you're saying it's your 7 girlfriend's car, right? 8 9 LEMUEL KINNEY: My girlfriend's car. 10 11 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: What's up with the plates? 12 13 LEMUEL KINNEY: We just got it from the dealership. (inaudible) they should be 14 with the car. 15 16 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Okay. But the plates that are on there right now aren't the 17 plates. 18 19 LEMUEL KINNEY: Oh, yeah. (inaudible) they should be on the car. I ain't even 20 drove (inaudible) 21 22 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: So who put the plates that are on it right now? 23 24 LEMUEL KINNEY: The plates that are on the car should be the ones for the car. 25 26 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) 27 28 LEMUEL KINNEY: I didn't pay attention to it. 29 30 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Can I ask you question (inaudible) about the gun and the DNA 31 and fingerprints (inaudible) right? You said absolutely not. 32 33 LEMUEL KINNEY: No. 34 35 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: There's no way you (inaudible) anything of you is gonna be 36 on — on that gun? 37 38 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. 39 40 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Why do you have a gun that (inaudible) find another gun in 41 the car? 42 43 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 42 I 2 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: How about these license plates (inaudible) 3 4 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) I had -- 5 6 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Is your fingerprint — 7 8 LEMUEL KINNEY: -- nothing to do with — 9 10 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Your fingerprints, your DNA (inaudible) 11 12 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 13 14 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: None of that's gonna be on those license plates. 15 16 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) do you see any license plates — like this is the 17 thing. I'm not (inaudible) driving and everything — 18 19 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: I know the plates are plates. Fuck it. But — but — but the plates 20 are — are for a different car. They're not for that car. 21 22 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. 23 24 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Now, who put them on? Who — who put the wrong plates on 25 the car? You know what I mean? 26 27 LEMUEL KINNEY: Right. 28 29 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: And that's what my partner's asking you. You know, if you 30 put the wrong plates on the car, just say you were gonna get stopped, then that's something 31 different. 32 33 LEMUEL KINNEY: No. I didn't — I didn't. 34 35 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Okay. 36 37 LEMUEL KINNEY: So it's like the first (inaudible) the car is like, "Damn." 38 39 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: No, the — the plates on the car that are on the car, they're not 40 for that car. They're for another car, a totally different make. You understand that? That's what — 41 that's what we're saying. What my partner's asking you is if any of your fingerprints or DNA is 42 gonna come back to the plates that are on the car that don't belong to that car? 43 RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 42 1 2 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: How about these license plates (inaudible) 3 4 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) I had -- 5 6 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Is your fingerprint — 7 8 LEMUEL KINNEY: -- nothing to do with — 9 10 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Your fingerprints, your DNA (inaudible) 11 12 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 13 14 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: None of that's gonna be on those license plates. 15 16 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) do you see any license plates — like this is the 17 thing. I'm not (inaudible) driving and everything — 18 19 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: I know the plates are plates. Fuck it. But — but — but the plates 20 are — are for a different car. They're not for that car. 21 22 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. 23 24 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Now, who put them on? Who — who put the wrong plates on 25 the car? You know what I mean? 26 27 LEMUEL KINNEY: Right. 28 29 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: And that's what my partner's asking you. You know, if you 30 put the wrong plates on the car, just say you were gonna get stopped, then that's something 31 different. 32 33 LEMUEL KINNEY: No. I didn't I didn't. 34 35 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Okay. 36 37 LEMUEL KINNEY: So it's like the first (inaudible) the car is like, "Damn." 38 39 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: No, the — the plates on the car that are on the car, they're not 40 for that car. They're for another car, a totally different make. You understand that? That's what — 41 that's what we're saying. What my partner's asking you is if any of your fingerprints or DNA is 42 gonna come back to the plates that are on the car that don't belong to that car? 43 RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 43 1 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) I didn't even notice those plates was on there. 2 (inaudible) the car. I mean (inaudible) 3 4 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: So — 5 6 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 7 8 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Well — 9 10 LEMUEL KINNEY: The license plate right there. 11 12 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Yeah, but it's different. You know, that is different (inaudible) 13 14 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) grabbed me and he slammed the door. (inaudible) 15 how do you close the trunk? 16 17 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: From the top. (laughing) 18 19 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) that's (inaudible) my shit (inaudible) 20 21 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Okay. 22 23 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 24 25 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) trying to (inaudible) 26 27 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) right now (inaudible) 28 29 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: And you said you (inaudible) you went around with this guy 30 for a night and so he (inaudible) 31 32 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) two hours - 33 34 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) 35 36 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) two hours - 37 38 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: And you're sitting there (inaudible) 39 40 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) two hours. 41 RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 43 1 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) I didn't even notice those plates was on there. 2 (inaudible) the car. I mean (inaudible) 3 4 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: So — 5 6 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 7 8 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Well — 9 10 LEMUEL IUNNEY: The license plate right there. 11 12 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Yeah, but it's different. You know, that is different (inaudible) 13 14 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) grabbed me and he slammed the door. (inaudible) 15 how do you close the trunk? 16 17 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: From the top. (laughing) 18 19 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) that's (inaudible) my shit (inaudible) 20 21 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Okay. 22 23 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 24 25 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) trying to (inaudible) 26 27 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) right now (inaudible) 28 29 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: And you said you (inaudible) you went around with this guy 30 for a night and so he (inaudible) 31 32 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) two hours — 33 34 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) 35 36 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) two hours — 37 38 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: And you're sitting there (inaudible) 39 40 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) two hours. 41 RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9181) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 44 1 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: All right. (inaudible) okay? You didn't call him (inaudible) 2 you're (inaudible) out of the car. You're saying (inaudible) okay? It doesn't have license plates that 3 go to it (inaudible) what does that automatically make us think? (inaudible) 4 5 LEMUEL KINNEY: Um-hm. 6 7 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: So that's why we're asking these questions cause obviously 8 it's (inaudible) we don't make the final decisions on this plays out. We don't. All we do is gather 9 the facts. 10 11 LEMUEL KINNEY: Did you guys see the plates that were on (inaudible) where are 12 the (inaudible) at? 13 14 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: We don't know (inaudible) 15 16 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: We haven't processed the car yet, so (inaudible) if they're in 17 the trunk, if they're in the backseat, we don't know. That's why we're asking you cause you were 18 driving the car. 19 20 LEMUEL KINNEY: You're in possession of it (inaudible) 21 22 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: It's 23 24 LEMUEL KINNEY: You're claiming it — 25 26 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: It's your girl's car. 27 28 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) only way they could — yeah, I changed (inaudible) 29 is when I went, you know (inaudible) that's the only thing I could think of and he probably went out 30 there and changed them, but I already told him I (inaudible) all doing. So — I ain't (inaudible) to that 31 shit (inaudible) tell you truth. I (inaudible) 32 33 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: And that's why I'm asking you, you know, if you touched 34 (inaudible) 35 36 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) I (inaudible) 37 38 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) at your girlfriend's house or you did it tonight or 39 (inaudible) 40 41 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) I got — I got a little box back there and it got all my 42 little like knickknacks and (inaudible) so — 43 RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 44 1 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: All right. (inaudible) okay? You didn't call him (inaudible) 2 you're (inaudible) out of the car. You're saying (inaudible) okay? It doesn't have license plates that 3 go to it (inaudible) what does that automatically make us think? (inaudible) 4 5 LEMUEL KINNEY: Um-hm. 6 7 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: So that's why we're asking these questions cause obviously 8 it's (inaudible) we don't make the final decisions on this plays out. We don't. All we do is gather 9 the facts. 10 11 LEMUEL KINNEY: Did you guys see the plates that were on (inaudible) where are 12 the (inaudible) at? 13 14 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: We don't know (inaudible) 15 16 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: We haven't processed the car yet, so (inaudible) if they're in 17 the trunk, if they're in the backseat, we don't know. That's why we're asking you cause you were 18 driving the car. 19 20 LEMUEL KINNEY: You're in possession of it (inaudible) 21 22 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: It's — 23 24 LEMUEL KINNEY: You're claiming it — 25 26 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: It's your girl's car. 27 28 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) only way they could — yeah, I changed (inaudible) 29 is when I went, you know (inaudible) that's the only thing I could think of and he probably went out 30 there and changed them, but I already told him I (inaudible) all doing. So — I ain't (inaudible) to that 31 shit (inaudible) tell you truth. I (inaudible) 32 33 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: And that's why I'm asking you, you know, if you touched 34 (inaudible) 35 36 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) I (inaudible) 37 38 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) at your girlfriend's house or you did it tonight or 39 (inaudible) 40 41 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) I got — I got a little box back there and it got all my 42 little like knickknacks and (inaudible) so — 43 RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 45 1 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Like what? Tools? 2 3 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah, tools, cologne and shit like that and I'm always 4 frequently going to, so that could be the only thing, but I never pay attention to it. 5 6 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: But the question is, did you touch anything around that license 7 plate? The screws, the license plate itself, the license (inaudible) 8 9 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) the license plate, the frame. I mean, come on now. 10 My girlfriend's fault. I (inaudible) but — 11 12 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) I'm talking as recently (inaudible) it — you wash 13 the car? 14 15 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. 16 17 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Okay. 18 19 LEMUEL KINNEY: I'm the only one who washes it. 20 21 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: When was the last time that car been washed? 22 23 LEMUEL KINNEY: I'll tell you what, I went to Morongo Casino the day before 24 yesterday — the day before that actually — three days ago and that's when I — and I went inside and 25 gambled and that's when the (inaudible) cause I have to pay five dollars and went through the 26 express wash. 27 28 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Okay. 29 30 LEMUEL KINNEY: It was about days - 31 32 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: And then reason I'm asking (inaudible) cause if you washed it 33 and all that. You know, you've been driving for a while, obviously whatever fingerprints and stuff 34 that would have been on there, (inaudible) they're no longer there. 35 36 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. 37 38 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: So (inaudible) whatever we find (inaudible) there is gonna be 39 from somebody touching it recently. 40 41 LEMUEL KINNEY: I mean — 42 RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 45 1 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Like what? Tools? 2 3 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah, tools, cologne and shit like that and I'm always 4 frequently going to, so that could be the only thing, but I never pay attention to it. 5 6 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: But the question is, did you touch anything around that license 7 plate? The screws, the license plate itself, the license (inaudible) 8 9 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) the license plate, the frame. I mean, come on now. 10 My girlfriend's fault. I (inaudible) but — 11 12 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) I'm talking as recently (inaudible) it — you wash 13 the car? 14 15 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. 16 17 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Okay. 18 19 LEMUEL KINNEY: I'm the only one who washes it. 20 21 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: When was the last time that car been washed? 22 23 LEMUEL KINNEY: I'll tell you what, I went to Morongo Casino the day before 24 yesterday — the day before that actually — three days ago and that's when I — and I went inside and 25 gambled and that's when the (inaudible) cause I have to pay five dollars and went through the 26 express wash. 27 28 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Okay. 29 30 LEMUEL KINNEY: It was about days — 31 32 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: And then reason I'm asking (inaudible) cause if you washed it 33 and all that. You know, you've been driving for a while, obviously whatever fingerprints and stuff 34 that would have been on there, (inaudible) they're no longer there. 35 36 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. 37 38 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: So (inaudible) whatever we find (inaudible) there is gonna be 39 from somebody touching it recently. 40 41 LEMUEL KINNEY: I mean — 42 RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 46 1 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: So I'm asking you, did you recently as of last night touch that 2 license plate frame or that license plate? 3 4 LEMUEL KINNEY: Probably the plate, but — 5 6 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Why? 7 8 LEMUEL KINNEY: -- not like that, not (inaudible) or nothing. Probably just the 9 front of it cause (inaudible) open the trunk and close the trunk. Already got (inaudible) fingers from 10 him. I'm very cautious about it. 11 12 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Okay. But would you touch the front plate? 13 14 LEMUEL KINNEY: Because when you open the trunk, when you pop the trunk, all 15 the trunk does is pop open like this. So when I grab it, I open it (inaudible) 16 17 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) 18 19 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 20 21 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: -- the front plate. 22 23 LEMUEL KINNEY: When I (inaudible) I'm talking about not that front plate, like 24 the front of the plate (inaudible) 25 26 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Okay. So you're talking about the — the back plate -- 27 28 LEMUEL KINNEY: The back plate and then front side of it. 29 30 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: And you're saying that if there is, is because you used that part 31 to close the trunk? That's the only reason? 32 33 LEMUEL KINNEY: That's it. 34 35 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: So they'll be nothing on the back — 36 37 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. 38 39 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: -- if you held it or — you know, if you screwed it on? 40 41 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) yeah. 42 43 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Okay. RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 46 1 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: So I'm asking you, did you recently as of last night touch that 2 license plate frame or that license plate? 3 4 LEMUEL KINNEY: Probably the plate, but — 5 6 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Why? 7 8 LEMUEL KINNEY: -- not like that, not (inaudible) or nothing. Probably just the 9 front of it cause (inaudible) open the trunk and close the trunk. Already got (inaudible) fingers from 10 him. I'm very cautious about it. 11 12 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Okay. But would you touch the front plate? 13 14 LEMUEL KINNEY: Because when you open the trunk, when you pop the trunk, all 15 the trunk does is pop open like this. So when I grab it, I open it (inaudible) 16 17 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) 18 19 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 20 21 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: -- the front plate. 22 23 LEMUEL KINNEY: When I (inaudible) I'm talking about not that front plate, like 24 the front of the plate (inaudible) 25 26 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Okay. So you're talking about the — the back plate -- 27 28 LEMUEL KINNEY: The back plate and then front side of it. 29 30 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: And you're saying that if there is, is because you used that part 31 to close the trunk? That's the only reason? 32 33 LEMUEL KINNEY: That's it. 34 35 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: So they'll be nothing on the back — 36 37 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. 38 39 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: -- if you held it or — you know, if you screwed it on? 40 41 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) yeah. 42 43 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Okay. RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 47 1 2 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: I just want to make sure. Do you know what the license plate's 3 supposed to be? 4 5 LEMUEL KINNEY: No. I know there's supposed to be one in the front and back, 6 but I didn't pay attention (inaudible) 7 8 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: All right. So we got the first incident that happens down in 9 Rancho off the freeway, right? Now, you have (inaudible) over here and you said he (inaudible) 10 some dude in a — in a black BMW, right? 11 12 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. 13 14 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: That he walks up on (inaudible) 15 16 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 17 18 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: How close were you to that to where that happened? 19 20 LEMUEL KINNEY: I was probably this way following behind. 21 22 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Were you watching through your rearview mirror? No? You 23 didn't pay no attention to it? 24 25 LEMUEL KINNEY: Other than (inaudible) a lid (inaudible) I'm not saying more 26 than that. I'm just (inaudible) assuming that he got up on that black dude, but, yeah, we got in the 27 car. We didn't go nowhere so (inaudible) 28 29 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) back in the car (inaudible) 30 31 LEMUEL KINNEY: He just sits there (inaudible) 32 33 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: What part of the parking structure is that? The same structure 34 (inaudible) 35 36 LEMUEL KINNEY: No, sir. 37 38 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Third floor? Second floor? First floor? (inaudible) third one. 39 Okay. 40 41 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) right there. 42 43 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: So just before that (inaudible) RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 47 1 2 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: I just want to make sure. Do you know what the license plate's 3 supposed to be? 4 5 LEMUEL KINNEY: No. I know there's supposed to be one in the front and back, 6 but I didn't pay attention (inaudible) 7 8 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: All right. So we got the first incident that happens down in 9 Rancho off the freeway, right? Now, you have (inaudible) over here and you said he (inaudible) 10 some dude in a — in a black BMW, right? 11 12 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. 13 14 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: That he walks up on (inaudible) 15 16 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 17 18 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: How close were you to that to where that happened? 19 20 LEMUEL KINNEY: I was probably this way following behind. 21 22 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Were you watching through your rearview mirror? No? You 23 didn't pay no attention to it? 24 25 LEMUEL KINNEY: Other than (inaudible) a lid (inaudible) I'm not saying more 26 than that. I'm just (inaudible) assuming that he got up on that black dude, but, yeah, we got in the 27 car. We didn't go nowhere so (inaudible) 28 29 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) back in the car (inaudible) 30 31 LEMUEL KINNEY: He just sits there (inaudible) 32 33 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: What part of the parking structure is that? The same structure 34 (inaudible) 35 36 LEMUEL KINNEY: No, sir. 37 38 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Third floor? Second floor? First floor? (inaudible) third one. 39 Okay. 40 41 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) right there. 42 43 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: So just before that (inaudible) RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 48 1 2 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. 3 4 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Just before the (inaudible) 5 6 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Now (inaudible) just real quick on speaking of that. You said 7 he — he did this, so he had a hood on or — 8 9 LEMUEL KINNEY: Nah. He has a little — it's like a little (inaudible) that's like a 10 (inaudible) 11 12 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Do you know what a gaiter is, a neck gaiter? 13 14 LEMUEL KINNEY: That's what it is. It's a neck gaiter (inaudible) 15 16 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: The ones that you pull it up like that? 17 18 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) pull it all the way to the back too and it's 19 (inaudible) 20 21 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Okay. So that's what he was wearing. What color was that? It 22 was all black — 23 24 LEMUEL KINNEY: Black. 25 26 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: -- also? Okay. 27 28 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Okay. So a guy in a black Mercedes, that happens first, then 29 the (inaudible) right? 30 31 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 32 33 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Yeah, the black BMW (inaudible) 34 35 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. (inaudible) I don't even think he did that, but I don't 36 think that guy (inaudible) just walked like fucking (inaudible) 37 38 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: So he jumps back in the car (inaudible) 39 40 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. He had another car. I don't even think he did anything. 41 42 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: So how long do you drive around before (inaudible) 43 RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 48 1 2 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. 3 4 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Just before the (inaudible) 5 6 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Now (inaudible) just real quick on speaking of that. You said 7 he — he did this, so he had a hood on or — 8 9 LEMUEL KINNEY: Nah. He has a little — it's like a little (inaudible) that's like a 10 (inaudible) 11 12 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Do you know what a gaiter is, a neck gaiter? 13 14 LEMUEL KINNEY: That's what it is. It's a neck gaiter (inaudible) 15 16 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: The ones that you pull it up like that? 17 18 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) pull it all the way to the back too and it's 19 (inaudible) 20 21 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Okay. So that's what he was wearing. What color was that? It 22 was all black — 23 24 LEMUEL KINNEY: Black. 25 26 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: -- also? Okay. 27 28 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Okay. So a guy in a black Mercedes, that happens first, then 29 the (inaudible) right? 30 31 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 32 33 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Yeah, the black BMW (inaudible) 34 35 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. (inaudible) I don't even think he did that, but I don't 36 think that guy (inaudible) just walked like fucking (inaudible) 37 38 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: So he jumps back in the car (inaudible) 39 40 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. He had another car. I don't even think he did anything. 41 42 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: So how long do you drive around before (inaudible) 43 RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 49 1 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) one lap. 2 3 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: One lap? 4 5 LEMUEL KINNEY: That's it. He like (inaudible) 6 7 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) did you park? Did you reverse? Did you — what did 8 you do? 9 10 LEMUEL KINNEY: I go back to the same spot I was in. 11 12 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Just — front end or you back up? 13 14 LEMUEL KINNEY: I pulled around one time, front end, boom. 15 16 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) 17 18 LEMUEL KINNEY: I mean (inaudible) because (inaudible) the spots are empty. 19 Like this spot, the spot behind it, the spot next to it, the spot right there. I'm the only car right here. 20 So, I might have even drove through and then corrected my — my parking, but as far as that 21 (inaudible) 22 23 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: So were you in the parking stall when he walked up to the lady 24 or were you already out ready to roll? 25 26 LEMUEL KINNEY: I was in the parking stall. 27 28 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Okay. 29 30 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. And I got — the guy that drove, he was like, "Oh, there 31 she go right there." Drove. She was coming out. She made a left. I came — I was facing this way so I 32 had to turn around and I came around, I let him out by the door. I guess it's where she was parked at 33 and I just was waiting right there for a minute and then he wasn't like coming from (inaudible) the 34 other side around the corner, so I'm like, "Shit, they're talking or something." I pulled up a little bit 35 just to see what was going on and I seen (inaudible) like all (inaudible) brothers is like that too if 36 they (inaudible) so I'm not really thinking like beating on (inaudible) whatever. 37 38 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Then (inaudible) 39 40 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) sell (inaudible) and shit. 41 42 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: What happens? 43 RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 49 1 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) one lap. 2 3 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: One lap? 4 5 LEMUEL KINNEY: That's it. He like (inaudible) 6 7 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) did you park? Did you reverse? Did you — what did 8 you do? 9 10 LEMUEL KINNEY: I go back to the same spot I was in. 11 12 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Just — front end or you back up? 13 14 LEMUEL KINNEY: I pulled around one time, front end, boom. 15 16 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) 17 18 LEMUEL KINNEY: I mean (inaudible) because (inaudible) the spots are empty. 19 Like this spot, the spot behind it, the spot next to it, the spot right there. I'm the only car right here. 20 So, I might have even drove through and then corrected my — my parking, but as far as that 21 (inaudible) 22 23 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: So were you in the parking stall when he walked up to the lady 24 or were you already out ready to roll? 25 26 LEMUEL KINNEY: I was in the parking stall. 27 28 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Okay. 29 30 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. And I got — the guy that drove, he was like, "Oh, there 31 she go right there." Drove. She was coming out. She made a left. I came — I was facing this way so I 32 had to turn around and I came around, I let him out by the door. I guess it's where she was parked at 33 and I just was waiting right there for a minute and then he wasn't like coming from (inaudible) the 34 other side around the corner, so I'm like, "Shit, they're talking or something." I pulled up a little bit 35 just to see what was going on and I seen (inaudible) like all (inaudible) brothers is like that too if 36 they (inaudible) so I'm not really thinking like beating on (inaudible) whatever. 37 38 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Then (inaudible) 39 40 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) sell (inaudible) and shit. 41 42 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: What happens? 43 RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 50 1 LEMUEL KINNEY: He walked back to the car and like, "Let's get out of here, 2 fool." That was it. We never make it back downstairs. 3 4 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) anything (inaudible) 5 6 LEMUEL KINNEY: He didn't have nothing (inaudible) he had nothing, nothing at 7 all. The camera will show that. He didn't have anything. (inaudible) he must have tucked that shit in 8 his jacket. He had a (inaudible) 9 10 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Before when you were talking to him, he said he had in a 11 headlock, he had his upper hand like this. 12 13 LEMUEL KINNEY: Mostly — or that's it. 14 15 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Motion. So you're — you're saying that his motion tells you 16 that — is he punching her or is he holding the gun (inaudible) 17 18 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) holding the gun to her head, grabbing her hair, 19 don't know. 20 21 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Okay. 22 23 LEMUEL KINNEY: And he got (inaudible) 24 25 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) 26 27 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: You said you assumed he was — 28 29 LEMUEL KINNEY: I'm assuming, yeah, he had -- 30 31 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: He had the gun. 32 33 LEMUEL KINNEY: -- the gun to her head, yeah. 34 35 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Because by then you already knew he had a gun. 36 37 LEMUEL KINNEY: And the only reason I'm assuming when I'm assuming is 38 because what happened tonight — what I'm finding out or he told me in the car (inaudible) 39 40 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) I'm trying to figure this out now because you 41 mentioned that (inaudible) you mentioned was you knew that he had a gun, but at what point 42 because — you start off (inaudible) over at the (inaudible) you drive over there cause you said he RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 50 1 LEMUEL KINNEY: He walked back to the car and like, "Let's get out of here, 2 fool." That was it. We never make it back downstairs. 3 4 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) anything (inaudible) 5 6 LEMUEL KINNEY: He didn't have nothing (inaudible) he had nothing, nothing at 7 all. The camera will show that. He didn't have anything. (inaudible) he must have tucked that shit in 8 his jacket. He had a (inaudible) 9 10 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Before when you were talking to him, he said he had in a 11 headlock, he had his upper hand like this. 12 13 LEMUEL KINNEY: Mostly — or that's it. 14 15 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Motion. So you're — you're saying that his motion tells you 16 that — is he punching her or is he holding the gun (inaudible) 17 18 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) holding the gun to her head, grabbing her hair, 19 don't know. 20 21 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Okay. 22 23 LEMUEL KINNEY: And he got (inaudible) 24 25 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) 26 27 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: You said you assumed he was — 28 29 LEMUEL KINNEY: I'm assuming, yeah, he had -- 30 31 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: He had the gun. 32 33 LEMUEL KINNEY: -- the gun to her head, yeah. 34 35 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Because by then you already knew he had a gun. 36 37 LEMUEL KINNEY: And the only reason I'm assuming when I'm assuming is 38 because what happened tonight — what I'm finding out or he told me in the car (inaudible) 39 40 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) I'm hying to figure this out now because you 41 mentioned that (inaudible) you mentioned was you knew that he had a gun, but at what point 42 because — you start off (inaudible) over at the (inaudible) you drive over there cause you said he RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 51 1 asked you to drive over (inaudible) mention a gun. So, now you're over here. He runs into the first 2 dude in the black BMW. There's no mention of a gun. 3 4 LEMUEL KINNEY: No. 5 6 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Now, he's rolling up on the lady, so when is it that you about 7 the gun? 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 LEMUEL KINNEY: After the first one when he (inaudible) the gun over — when I came and got it when (inaudible) drop him off and he took running from the lady and I had to go save his ass (inaudible) INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: you come up here?" LEMUEL KINNEY: there" He said it was his (inaudible) it was good. INVESTIGATOR PAZ: hand motion (inaudible) LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: and he just pulled it out (inaudible) INVESTIGATOR PAZ: at you and told you to drive? LEMUEL KINNEY: feel me? But - INVESTIGATOR PAZ: (inaudible) -- I was (inaudible) But I asked you — I asked you that. (inaudible) You lied (inaudible) I said, "When he got in the car, why did Because he's - I told him. I said, "(inaudible) drive by out So (inaudible) he said, "Just drive." And you're making a Yeah (inaudible) (inaudible) -- is out of his pocket cause he had (inaudible) little pocket Out — out of his jacket? So, he pulled a gun out and pointed it Let me — let me not sit here and say (inaudible) like that. You I'm just going by (inaudible) RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 51 1 asked you to drive over (inaudible) mention a gun. So, now you're over here. He runs into the first 2 dude in the black BMW. There's no mention of a gun. 3 4 LEMUEL KINNEY: No. 5 6 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Now, he's rolling up on the lady, so when is it that you about 7 the gun? 8 9 LEMUEL KINNEY: After the first one when he (inaudible) the gun over — when I 10 came and got it when (inaudible) drop him off and he took running from the lady and I had to go 11 save his ass (inaudible) 12 13 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) 14 15 LEMUEL KINNEY: -- I was (inaudible) 16 17 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: But I asked you — I asked you that. 18 19 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 20 21 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: You lied (inaudible) I said, "When he got in the car, why did 22 you come up here?" 23 24 LEMUEL KINNEY: Because he's — I told him. I said, "(inaudible) drive by out 25 there" He said it was his (inaudible) it was good. 26 27 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: So (inaudible) he said, "Just drive." And you're making a 28 hand motion (inaudible) 29 30 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah (inaudible) 31 32 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: (inaudible) 33 34 LEMUEL KINNEY: — is out of his pocket cause he had (inaudible) little pocket 35 and he just pulled it out (inaudible) 36 37 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Out — out of his jacket? So, he pulled a gun out and pointed it 38 at you and told you to drive? 39 40 LEMUEL KINNEY: Let me — let me not sit here and say (inaudible) like that. You 41 feel me? But — 42 43 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: I'm just going by (inaudible) RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 52 1 2 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) he has it (inaudible) so (inaudible) I'm gonna 3 (inaudible) out (inaudible) like (inaudible) 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Oh, so he showed it to you? LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) "(inaudible) do what I tell you." (inaudible) like (inaudible) INVESTIGATOR PAZ: As far as — I know you said he was Brattis. Brattis. You don't know his last name. What's his sister's name? LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Um - his sister's name is ah Is his last name also or — It might be. (inaudible) it might be. Yeah, with two A's. (inaudible) two A's on On Oh.lHow old is 22. (inaudible) (inaudible) Which hood? (inaudible) Which one? RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9(81) 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 52 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) he has it (inaudible) so (inaudible) I'm gonna (inaudible) out (inaudible) like (inaudible) INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Oh, so he showed it to you? LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) INVESTIGATOR PAZ: "(inaudible) do what I tell you." LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) like (inaudible) INVESTIGATOR PAZ: As far as — I know you said he was Brattis. Brattis. You don't know his last name. What's his sister's name? LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: Um — his sister's name is ah I Is is last name also or — It might be. (inaudible) it might be. Yeah, with two A's. (inaudible) two A's on On 011 How old is 22. INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Which hood? LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Which one? RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 53 LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) Okay. (inaudible) (inaudible) (inaudible) LEMUEL KINNEY: Almost my whole life. (inaudible) mostly get me out of the bullshit, but (inaudible) that bullshit (inaudible) life. INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: And how long (inaudible) LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: 12 years. (inaudible) take you down there? (inaudible) (inaudible) (inaudible) On your back? (inaudible) is for? Yes. (inaudible) where at here or at the hospital. The hospital. INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Just your injuries or your ink? LEMUEL KINNEY: Injury and the ink. INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Okay. INVESTIGATOR PAZ: (inaudible) I'm - I'm getting information right now from one of my partners who's doing — remember I told you there was a bunch of us working right now doing a bunch of stuff. Apparently from the video he's watching, okay? It looks like your car comes to the Palm Springs casino first. From there, then it looks like you go to the Rancho Mirage and then back to Palm Springs and then that — that's when the shooting occurs on the second time you come back. So from what they're seeing, it looks like the — the thing about the dude that you initially hit up, it's RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 53 1 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 2 3 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Okay. (inaudible) 4 5 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 6 7 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) 8 9 LEMUEL KINNEY: Almost my whole life. (inaudible) mostly get me out of the 10 bullshit, but (inaudible) that bullshit (inaudible) life. 11 12 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: And how long (inaudible) 13 14 LEMUEL KINNEY: 12 years. 15 16 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) take you down there? 17 18 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 19 20 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) 21 22 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 23 24 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: On your back? (inaudible) is for? 25 26 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yes. 27 28 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) where at here or at the hospital. 29 30 LEMUEL KINNEY: The hospital. 31 32 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Just your injuries or your ink? 33 34 LEMUEL KINNEY: Injury and the ink. 35 36 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Okay. 37 38 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: (inaudible) I'm — I'm getting information right now from one 39 of my partners who's doing — remember I told you there was a bunch of us working right now doing 40 a bunch of stuff. Apparently from the video he's watching, okay? It looks like your car comes to the 41 Palm Springs casino first. From there, then it looks like you go to the Rancho Mirage and then back 42 to Palm Springs and then that — that's when the shooting occurs on the second time you come back. 43 So from what they're seeing, it looks like the — the thing about the dude that you initially hit up, it's RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 54 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 not during the second time you guys come back. From what he's seeing, it looks like you guys go here first, he gets out of the car, confronts his guy. Then you guys take off and go to the Rancho Mirage one. That's what it looks on the video. LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: (inaudible) Can you clarify that for me? Yeah, yeah. (inaudible) I (inaudible) all about that shit. Okay. LEMUEL KINNEY: That's why we left the first time because he seen somebody that he lives with. He's staying at the (inaudible) and that's cause (inaudible) in Palm Springs. INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Okay. LEMUEL KINNEY: After that — after that, we even stopped right there (inaudible) and nearly did — that's (inaudible) casino (inaudible) I started pushing back over there. He didn't say nothing, so — INVESTIGATOR PAZ: To the — LEMUEL KINNEY: Agua Caliente. INVESTIGATOR PAZ: So from Palm Springs, this first incident — he has a beef with somebody here. So you guys bounce to the other one. LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah, we left. I knew — we wasn't even (inaudible) INVESTIGATOR PAZ: And the other one is where he confronts that lady and she screams, so you guys take off from there and then come back here. At what point (inaudible) at — at what point then did he walks — walk into the casino with the gun in his hand? Was it the first time or the second time when you guys came back cause I'm gonna have my partner check on — on that and see if, ah — it picked up the — if he can find the — you know a video of that when he walks in with a gun in his hand. LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. I'm thinking it was the first time, though. I'm thinking, um — I'm flicked up right now and I can't (inaudible) INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Okay. So maybe the first time. You don't know. RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 54 1 not during the second time you guys come back. From what he's seeing, it looks like you guys go 2 here first, he gets out of the car, confronts his guy. Then you guys take off and go to the Rancho 3 Mirage one. That's what it looks on the video. 4 5 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 6 7 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Can you clarify that for me? 8 9 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah, yeah. (inaudible) I (inaudible) all about that shit. 10 11 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Okay. 12 13 LEMUEL KINNEY: That's why we left the first time because he seen somebody 14 that he lives with. He's staying at the (inaudible) and that's cause (inaudible) in Palm Springs. 15 16 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Okay. 17 18 LEMUEL KINNEY: After that after that, we even stopped right there (inaudible) 19 and nearly did — that's (inaudible) casino (inaudible) I started pushing back over there. He didn't 20 say nothing, so — 21 22 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: To the — 23 24 LEMUEL KINNEY: Agua Caliente. 25 26 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: So from Palm Springs, this first incident — he has a beef with 27 somebody here. So you guys bounce to the other one. 28 29 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah, we left. I knew — we wasn't even (inaudible) 30 31 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: And the other one is where he confronts that lady and she 32 screams, so you guys take off from there and then come back here. At what point (inaudible) at — at 33 what point then did he walks — walk into the casino with the gun in his hand? Was it the first time or 34 the second time when you guys came back cause I'm gonna have my partner check on — on that and 35 see if, ah — it picked up the — if he can find the — you know a video of that when he walks in with a 36 gun in his hand. 37 38 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. I'm thinking it was the first time, though. I'm thinking, 39 um — I'm flicked up right now and I can't (inaudible) 40 41 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Okay. So maybe the first time. You don't know. 42 RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 55 1 LEMUEL KINNEY: Only got of the car one time and that's when he got out of the 2 car with his gun in his hand. (inaudible) trying to see what he was going on, so when he did get out 3 of the car, I got out of the car just that one time. I (inaudible) out of the car and he and I had no 4 (inaudible) but I'm not even sure when it was — which time it was. It was (inaudible) maybe it was 5 the first time, though. 6 7 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: All righty. Um — you (inaudible) taking a — taking a break, a 8 quick break and we'Il see if ah -- unless you have some (inaudible) right now. 9 10 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 11 12 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: I'm just — I'm confused about the whole situation, okay? And 13 I say — to me, if it's a death (inaudible) accidental death, it's a death, right? Everything about you 14 and everything you're telling me (inaudible) has some truth to it, but I think (inaudible) honestly. I 15 think you guys go out and getting licks whether it's the big money and you felt like you needed a 16 loan, but the (inaudible) you `re trying to sell me, I - I'm not buying it. I'll be honest. You've been 17 around. 18 19 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: There's some common sense stuff that we were asking you 20 earlier. 21 22 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. 23 24 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Right? If you were out doing licks that's one thing. If — 25 pointing a gun at a cop is something different, right? 26 27 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. I (inaudible) ain't point shit at no cop. 28 29 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: No? 30 31 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) and they can tell you that. 32 33 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: So — so here's the deal, help us prove what you're telling us is 34 the truth, right? You can say the truth on some stuff, but then if you're not honest about everything, 35 it — it makes it look like nothing's truth — truthful. So be straight up so we can say, "Yeah. You 36 know what? He was straight up about all of this. Why would he lie about this?" 37 38 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) body footage camera (inaudible) they shot 39 (inaudible) 40 41 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: (inaudible) help us prove that. 42 43 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9181) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 55 1 LEMUEL KINNEY: Only got of the car one time and that's when he got out of the 2 car with his gun in his hand. (inaudible) trying to see what he was going on, so when he did get out 3 of the car, I got out of the car just that one time. I (inaudible) out of the car and he and I had no 4 (inaudible) but I'm not even sure when it was — which time it was. It was (inaudible) maybe it was 5 the first time, though. 6 7 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: All righty. Urn — you (inaudible) taking a — taking a break, a 8 quick break and we'll see if ah -- unless you have some (inaudible) right now. 9 10 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 11 12 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: I'm just— I'm confused about the whole situation, okay? And 13 I say — to me, if it's a death (inaudible) accidental death, it's a death, right? Everything about you 14 and everything you're telling me (inaudible) has some truth to it, but I think (inaudible) honestly. I 15 think you guys go out and getting licks whether it's the big money and you felt like you needed a 16 loan, but the (inaudible) you 're trying to sell me, I — I'm not buying it. I'll be honest. You've been 17 around. 18 19 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: There's some common sense stuff that we were asking you 20 earlier. 21 22 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. 23 24 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Right? If you were out doing licks that's one thing. If — 25 pointing a gun at a cop is something different, right? 26 27 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. I (inaudible) ain't point shit at no cop. 28 29 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: No? 30 31 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) and they can tell you that. 32 33 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: So — so here's the deal, help us prove what you're telling us is 34 the truth, right? You can say the truth on some stuff, but then if you're not honest about everything, 35 it — it makes it look like nothing's truth — truthful. So be straight up so we can say, "Yeah. You 36 know what? He was straight up about all of this. Why would he lie about this?" 37 38 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) body footage camera (inaudible) they shot 39 (inaudible) 40 41 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: (inaudible) help us prove that. 42 43 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9181) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 56 1 2 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: So — so be straight up with us on all the other stuff then. 3 4 LEMUEL KINNEY: Can I have a cigarette, man? (inaudible) right now (inaudible) 5 6 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: I told you (inaudible) I told you I'd work on that. 7 8 LEMUEL KINNEY: Can we get a five-minute intermission or something? Can I get 9 some water? (inaudible) like (inaudible) 10 11 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Well, here. Do this. Be straight up right now and then I'll get 12 you that cigarette. 13 14 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 15 16 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: This is what my partner said. You guys are thinking of coming 17 up? Is that what it was? 18 19 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Cause at the same time you guys were (inaudible) run up 20 (inaudible) going (inaudible) correct? You think that you guys were running up (inaudible) and not 21 tell anybody. 22 23 LEMUEL KINNEY: I'm not running up on nobody. 24 25 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: No, but you're with Brattis, okay? (inaudible) help us prove 26 what you're (inaudible) that you're being honest. 27 28 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) you just (inaudible) saying it. 29 30 LEMUEL KINNEY: That's it. He just (inaudible) saying it. 31 32 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) 33 34 LEMUEL KINNEY: I'm not sure. 35 36 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) I'm not lying (inaudible) just based on what you 37 told me earlier. 38 39 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. 40 41 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) box and then I'll think about (inaudible) 42 43 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) you can say there's nothing wrong (inaudible) RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 56 1 2 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: So — so be straight up with us on all the other stuff then. 3 4 LEMUEL KINNEY: Can I have a cigarette, man? (inaudible) right now (inaudible) 5 6 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: I told you (inaudible) I told you I'd work on that. 7 8 LEMUEL KINNEY: Can we get a five-minute intermission or something? Can I get 9 some water? (inaudible) like (inaudible) 10 11 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Well, here. Do this. Be straight up right now and then I'll get 12 you that cigarette. 13 14 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 15 16 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: This is what my partner said. You guys are thinking of coming 17 up? Is that what it was? 18 19 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Cause at the same time you guys were (inaudible) run up 20 (inaudible) going (inaudible) correct? You think that you guys were running up (inaudible) and not 21 tell anybody. 22 23 LEMUEL KINNEY: I'm not running up on nobody. 24 25 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: No, but you're with Brattis, okay? (inaudible) help us prove 26 what you're (inaudible) that you're being honest. 27 28 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) you just (inaudible) saying it. 29 30 LEMUEL KINNEY: That's it. He just (inaudible) saying it. 31 32 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) 33 34 LEMUEL KINNEY: I'm not sure. 35 36 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) I'm not lying (inaudible) just based on what you 37 told me earlier. 38 39 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. 40 41 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) box and then I'll think about (inaudible) 42 43 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) you can say there's nothing wrong (inaudible) RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 57 1 2 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: I'm pretty sure we can find a cigarette somewhere. We 3 probably won't give you one of yours cause, ah — you know, just to make sure it's not laced, but 4 we'll find you a cigarette. 5 6 LEMUEL KINNEY: All right. 7 8 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: All right. 9 10 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) a cup of water. I feel dehydrated (inaudible) I'm 11 cold. (inaudible) 12 13 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: (inaudible) let me see if I can — have my partner find us a 14 cigarette. 15 16 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) beating around the bush. I thought we were gonna 17 get it over. 18 19 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: All right. I just hit — hit up my partner here to see if he can 20 find you a cigarette. 21 22 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) man. 23 24 LEMUEL KINNEY: What? 25 26 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: How are you (inaudible) it's your car (inaudible) 27 28 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 29 30 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) 31 32 LEMUEL KINNEY: Hell, yeah. Urn — ya'll gonna do that right now? 33 34 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Well (inaudible) 35 36 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) 37 38 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: -- today when we're done with it. 39 40 LEMUEL KINNEY: Oh. You guys — when — when do I get a phone call? 41 (inaudible) right now. (inaudible) 42 43 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: You — you will when we're done. RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 57 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: I'm pretty sure we can find a cigarette somewhere. We probably won't give you one of yours cause, ah — you know, just to make sure it's not laced, but we'll find you a cigarette. LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: cold. (inaudible) INVESTIGATOR PAZ: cigarette. INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: get it over. INVESTIGATOR PAZ: find you a cigarette. INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) right now. (inaudible) INVESTIGATOR PAZ: All right. All right. (inaudible) a cup of water. I feel dehydrated (inaudible) I'm (inaudible) let me see if I can — have my partner find us a (inaudible) beating around the bush. I thought we were gonna All right. I just hit — hit up my partner here to see if he can (inaudible) man. What? How are you (inaudible) it's your car (inaudible) (inaudible) (inaudible) Hell, yeah. Urn — ya'll gonna do that right now? Well (inaudible) (inaudible) — today when we're done with it. Oh. You guys — when — when do I get a phone call? You — you will when we're done. RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 58 1 2 LEMUEL KINNEY: You said it's (inaudible) again. 3 4 5 6 LEMUEL KINNEY: Ah - it's — (inaudible) 7 8 9 10 LEMUEL KINNEY: San Bernardino? (inaudible) her daddy's phone number up 11 there right now. 12 13 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: What's her dad's (inaudible) 14 15 LEMUEL KINNEY: Ah inaudible) 16 17 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: How old is he? 18 19 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) all you got to do is (inaudible) 20 21 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: (laughing) 22 23 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) could use that car. (inaudible) 24 25 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Let's take a quick break. I'll see if we can — we'll get you a 26 water and a cigarette and then, ah — we'll see, man, if you — if you're straight up. All right? 27 28 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) 29 30 LEMUEL KINNEY: All right. So, ah — (inaudible) 31 32 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Just ah — we need to track down the cigarette and the water. 33 34 LEMUEL KINNEY: All right. Urn — (inaudible) question. 35 36 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: What's up? 37 38 LEMUEL KINNEY: What am I looking at right here? 39 40 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: (inaudible) try to make a decision and like we told you, we're 41 — we're fact gathers. The people above us that make those decisions. You got to remember. We get 42 the information. We meet up with the District Attorney and — and this is what — and that's why 43 we're asking (inaudible) that's why I was asking you if you're a hundred percent honest with me INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: What's her phone number? INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Is the address on the car the same address she lives at? RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) I 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 58 LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR (3OMEZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: there right now. INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: What's her dad's (inaudible) LEMUEL KINNEY: Ah - kinaudible) INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: How old is he? LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: You said it's (inaudible) again. What's her phone number? Ah — it's — (inaudible) Is the address on the car the same address she lives at? San Bernardino? (inaudible) her daddy's phone number up (inaudible) all you got to do is (inaudible) (laughing) (inaudible) could use that car. (inaudible) INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Let's take a quick break. I'll see if we can — we'll get you a water and a cigarette and then, ah — we'll see, man, if you — if you're straight up. All right? INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: All right. So, ah — (inaudible) Just ah — we need to track down the cigarette and the water. All right. Urn — (inaudible) question. What's up? What am I looking at right here? INVESTIGATOR PAZ: (inaudible) try to make a decision and like we told you, we're — we're fact gathers. The people above us that make those decisions. You got to remember. We get the information. We meet up with the District Attorney and — and this is what — and that's why we're asking (inaudible) that's why I was asking you if you're a hundred percent honest with me RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 59 1 cause they're gonna read between the lines also when I give them — say, "Hey, look. Yeah, I talked 2 to him, you know, and this is what he said." First thing they're gonna tell me is like my partner told 3 you -- which we're all thinking — they're gonna be like, "Okay. Why is he saying that he didn't have 4 a gun? How do we believe that if he's not being a hundred percent honest over here?" 5 6 LEMUEL KINNEY: And he's (inaudible) there's no gun. I mean (inaudible) 7 8 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Eventually, yes. Eventually, but that can take some time. This 9 isn't like TV. We don't get stuff back like in an hour. It can take weeks. It could take months before 10 we get forensic analysis back. You understand that, right? 11 12 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. 13 14 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: So — 15 16 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: They asked you about DNA. You wrote on the consent. Did 17 you know something? 18 19 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) got into the system. I just paroled 90 days ago. 20 21 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) no, we don't do that. We capture (inaudible) fresh 22 one. 23 24 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 25 26 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: And compare it what we're gonna swab off the gun — all guns. 27 28 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 29 30 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Yup. We can do that. You'll consent? 31 32 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yup. 33 34 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: All right. I'll bring that phone. 35 36 LEMUEL KINNEY: I had nothing to do with though (inaudible) anxiety (inaudible) 37 38 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: How much was, ah — Brattis gonna give you for driving him 39 around? 40 41 LEMUEL KINNEY: Don't know. 42 RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 59 1 cause they're gonna read between the lines also when I give them — say, "Hey, look. Yeah, I talked to him, you know, and this is what he said." First thing they're gonna tell me is like my partner told you -- which we're all thinking — they're gonna be like, "Okay. Why is he saying that he didn't have a gun? How do we believe that if he's not being a hundred percent honest over here?" LEMUEL KINNEY: And he's (inaudible) there's no gun. I mean (inaudible) INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Eventually, yes. Eventually, but that can take some time. This isn't like TV. We don't get stuff back like in an hour. It can take weeks. It could take months before we get forensic analysis back. You understand that, right? LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: you know something? LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: one. LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: around? LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. So — They asked you about DNA. You wrote on the consent. Did (inaudible) got into the system. I just paroled 90 days ago. (inaudible) no, we don't do that. We capture (inaudible) fresh (inaudible) And compare it what we're gonna swab off the gun — all guns. (inaudible) Yup. We can do that. You'll consent? Yup. All right. I'll bring that phone. I had nothing to do with though (inaudible) anxiety (inaudible) How much was, ah — Brattis gonna give you for driving him Don't know. RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 60 1 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: He didn't say anything? He wouldn't tell you? "I'll give you half." I'll give you whatever. INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: What was the deal, man? Did you owe her for something? INVESTIGATOR PAZ: You understand robbery is one thing. Pointing a gun at a cop, that could be the — you know, attempt murder on a cop depending how you look at it. I know you're saying he had the gun, but don't — don't try to minimize what you're doing cause then you (inaudible) you kind of make yourself guilty in that sense also. You know what I mean? So, here's the deal. When — when we go talk to him -- at some point, we're gonna talk to him. What if he tells us a different story and tries to throw you under the bus? Who (inaudible) you're the only one who can clear your name right now. us. LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) INVESTIGATOR PAZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: A lot of times, that — that is true. A lot of times don't talk to (inaudible) But there's a lot of times when they do. (inaudible) I was one of them. There's a lot of times when they do. Yes. Okay? (inaudible) if I can get a cigarette (inaudible) I have (inaudible) LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) get some water, I'll - I'll talk to you. I don't even care. Yeah. At this point, it's not even gonna (inaudible) INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: All right. INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Okay. INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) do that. We'lI get it done. RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 60 1 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: He didn't say anything? He wouldn't tell you? "I'll give you 2 half." I'll give you whatever. 3 4 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: What was the deal, man? Did you owe her for something? 5 6 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: You understand robbery is one thing. Pointing a gun at a cop, 7 that could be the — you know, attempt murder on a cop depending how you look at it. I know you're 8 saying he had the gun, but don't — don't try to minimize what you're doing cause then you 9 (inaudible) you kind of make yourself guilty in that sense also. You know what I mean? So, here's 10 the deal. When — when we go talk to him — at some point, we're gonna talk to him. What if he tells 11 us a different story and tries to throw you under the bus? Who (inaudible) you're the only one who 12 can clear your name right now. 13 14 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 15 16 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: A lot of times, that — that is true. A lot of times don't talk to 17 us. 18 19 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 20 21 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: But there's a lot of times when they do. 22 23 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) I was one of them. 24 25 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: There's a lot of times when they do. 26 27 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yes. 28 29 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Okay? 30 31 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) if I can get a cigarette (inaudible) 32 33 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: I have (inaudible) 34 35 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) get some water, I'll — I'll talk to you. I don't even 36 care. Yeah. At this point, it's not even gonna (inaudible) 37 38 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: All right. 39 40 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Okay. 41 42 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) do that. We'll get it done. 43 RIVERSIDE COUN"fY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 61 I LEMUEL KINNEY: And that (inaudible) on my — on my (inaudible) 2 3 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: It is 1230 hours, pausing this recording. It is 1238, back on 4 tape. (inaudible) 5 6 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) in spite of (inaudible) and (inaudible) 7 8 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: All right. Are you ready to get back in there? 9 10 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. 11 12 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Did I (inaudible) 13 14 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 15 16 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: (inaudible) wanted his (inaudible) 17 18 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Come on, man. You got to (inaudible) 19 20 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Dude, we even found you an apple juice. I don't know if you 21 like apple juice, but (inaudible) 22 23 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 24 25 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: What are you doing? 26 27 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: You can't smoke in here. 28 29 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) smoking. 30 31 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Just have a seat right here (inaudible) get this cleared up. 32 33 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: There's water, apple juice and your sandwich (inaudible) 34 35 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 36 37 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: I got ah — my — one of my partners is coming with the camera 38 cause I want to do a picture of all your injuries too. All right? 39 40 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 41 42 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Urn — 43 RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9181) 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 61 1 LEMUEL KINNEY: 2 3 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: 4 tape. (inaudible) 5 6 7 LEMUEL KINNEY: 8 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: like apple juice, but (inaudible) LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: And that (inaudible) on my — on my (inaudible) It is 1230 hours, pausing this recording. It is 1238, back on (inaudible) in spite of (inaudible) and (inaudible) All right. Are you ready to get back in there? Yeah. Did I (inaudible) (inaudible) (inaudible) wanted his (inaudible) Come on, man. You got to (inaudible) Dude, we even found you an apple juice. I don't know if you (inaudible) What are you doing? You can't smoke in here. (inaudible) smoking. Just have a seat right here (inaudible) get this cleared up. There's water, apple juice and your sandwich (inaudible) (inaudible) INVESTIGATOR PAZ: I got ah — my — one of my partners is coming with the camera cause I want to do a picture of all your injuries too. All right? LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: (inaudible) Urn — RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 62 1 LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: stuff (inaudible) INVESTIGATOR PAZ: INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: (inaudible) -- and you can explain that (inaudible) Yeah. There's a bunch of (inaudible) but other than bites and No. (inaudible) this is all locked up. Yeah. Just (inaudible) INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Yeah (inaudible) thank you. You (inaudible) LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Brand new pack, man. Look at that. LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: There's a chair over there if you want to sit on the chair. (inaudible) It's freaking hot out here. It's crazy. (inaudible) hot desert. (inaudible) Where do you work at? Palm Desert. I know (inaudible) but (inaudible) (inaudible) Oh (inaudible) (inaudible) in the sun all day. Then you know how it is. (inaudible) You working (inaudible) RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 62 1 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 2 3 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: -- and you can explain that (inaudible) 4 5 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Yeah. There's a bunch of (inaudible) but other than bites and 6 stuff (inaudible) 7 8 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: No. 9 10 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) this is all locked up. 11 12 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Yeah. Just (inaudible) 13 14 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Yeah (inaudible) thank you. You (inaudible) 15 16 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 17 18 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: There's a chair over there if you want to sit on the chair. 19 Brand new pack, man. Look at that. 20 21 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 22 23 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: It's freaking hot out here. It's crazy. 24 25 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) hot desert. (inaudible) 26 27 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Where do you work at? 28 29 LEMUEL KINNEY: Palm Desert. 30 31 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: I know (inaudible) but (inaudible) 32 33 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 34 35 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Oh (inaudible) 36 37 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) in the sun all day. 38 39 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Then you know how it is. 40 41 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 42 43 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: You working (inaudible) RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 63 I 2 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 3 4 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: I grew up (inaudible) right there. 5 6 LEMUEL KINNEY: Fuck that. 7 8 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) 9 10 LEMUEL KINNEY: Red. 11 12 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Red? 13 14 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 15 16 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) 17 18 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Yup. 19 20 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) right there? 21 22 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Okay. We're ah — um — (inaudible) okay. Hold on one second. 23 Let me see if I can get someone to go (inaudible) back interviewing this guy. Okay. 24 25 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 26 27 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Let me see (inaudible) we're in the — we're in the — we're in 28 the jail area. 29 30 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 31 32 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: The — the jail area. 33 34 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 35 36 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) 37 38 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 39 40 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) 41 42 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) I would say the two. 43 RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 63 1 2 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 3 4 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: I grew up (inaudible) right there. 5 6 LEMUEL KINNEY: Fuck that. 7 8 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) 9 10 LEMUEL KINNEY: Red. 11 12 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Red? 13 14 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 15 16 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) 17 18 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Yup. 19 20 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) right there? 21 22 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Okay. We're ah — urn — (inaudible) okay. Hold on one second. 23 Let me see ill can get someone to go (inaudible) back interviewing this guy. Okay. 24 25 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 26 27 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Let me see (inaudible) we're in the — we're in the — we're in 28 the jail area. 29 30 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 31 32 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: The — the jail area. 33 34 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 35 36 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) 37 38 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 39 40 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) 41 42 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) I would say the two. 43 RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 64 1 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: 74 or 70 - 2 3 LEMUEL KINNEY: 74 (Inaudible) goes right through the mountains. (inaudible) 4 ah — (inaudible) 5 6 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: What do you know about (inaudible) 7 8 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) a week. That — that's only — that's (inaudible) 9 10 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) 11 12 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Do you want to do it inside or — or when he's not smoking? 13 14 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 15 16 MALE VOICE: He's done smoking now (inaudible) 17 18 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) 19 20 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 21 22 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: (inaudible) 10/11/86. 23 24 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 25 26 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: (inaudible) most of them. Do me a favor, just — 27 28 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 29 30 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: We'll just throw it in the trash (inaudible) 31 32 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 33 34 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: (inaudible) trash can right here. 35 36 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 37 38 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Yeah. 39 40 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: (inaudible) watch out. 41 42 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Come on. 43 RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 64 1 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: 2 3 LEMUEL KINNEY: 4 ah — (inaudible) 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: MALE VOICE: INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: 74 or 70 — 74 (Inaudible) goes right through the mountains. (inaudible) What do you know about (inaudible) (inaudible) a week. That — that's only — that's (inaudible) (inaudible) Do you want to do it inside or — or when he's not smoking? (inaudible) He's done smoking now (inaudible) (inaudible) (inaudible) (inaudible) 10/11/86. (inaudible) (inaudible) most of them. Do me a favor, just — (inaudible) We'll just throw it in the trash (inaudible) (inaudible) (inaudible) trash can right here. (inaudible) Yeah. (inaudible) watch out. Come on. RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 65 1 LEMUEL KINNEY: Fuck. (inaudible) 2 3 MALE VOICE: Put yourself right there. 4 5 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. 6 7 MALE VOICE: (inaudible) 8 9 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) can't they take (inaudible) take (inaudible) get 10 your stuff (inaudible) 11 12 MALE VOICE: But that was (inaudible) 13 14 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Yeah. 15 16 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 17 18 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Done. 19 20 MALE VOICE: (inaudible) to the left. Just take that (inaudible) back out 21 (inaudible) 22 23 LEMUEL KINNEY: It's (inaudible) 24 25 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) here. You want a sip of that before we go 26 (inaudible) 27 28 MALE VOICE: Your juice is up here. (inaudible) 29 30 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Okay? (inaudible) 31 32 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) just for identification. (inaudible) 33 34 MALE VOICE: All right. Man, do me a favor and (inaudible) your head down 35 (inaudible) 36 37 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: (inaudible) said where you (inaudible) 38 39 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) got shot. 40 41 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Where are your injuries at? You said your shoulder and where 42 else? 43 RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 65 1 LEMUEL KINNEY: 2 3 MALE VOICE: 4 5 LEMUEL KINNEY: 6 7 MALE VOICE: 8 9 LEMUEL KINNEY: 10 your stuff (inaudible) 11 12 MALE VOICE: 13 14 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Yeah. 15 16 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 17 18 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Done. 19 20 21 (inaudible) 22 23 LEMUEL KINNEY: It's (inaudible) 24 25 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) here. 26 (inaudible) 27 28 MALE VOICE: 29 30 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Okay? (inaudible) 31 32 LEMUEL KINNEY: 33 34 MALE VOICE: 35 (inaudible) 36 37 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: 38 39 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) got shot. 40 41 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: 42 else? 43 Fuck. (inaudible) Put yourself right there. Yeah. (inaudible) (inaudible) can't they take (inaudible) take (inaudible) get But that was (inaudible) MALE VOICE: (inaudible) to the left. Just take that (inaudible) back out You want a sip of that before we go Your juice is up here. (inaudible) (inaudible) just for identification. (inaudible) All right. Man, do me 1a favor and (inaudible) your head down (inaudible) said where you (inaudible) Where are your injuries at? You said your shoulder and where RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 66 LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: shoulder? there. LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: MALE VOICE: LEMUEL KINNEY: MALE VOICE: LEMUEL KINNEY: MALE VOICE: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: MALE VOICE: LEMUEL KINNEY: MALE VOICE: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: MALE VOICE: we'll get you back inside. My stomach. Are you able to pop this open and (inaudible) for your Yeah. You guys (inaudible) take it off. Hold on. Hold on. (inaudible) right there? Yeah. You want the whole thing off or (inaudible) you are in charge (inaudible) Yeah. That's fine right there. So you have one right there, right there (inaudible) (inaudible) And he's got another one on — on the side. I (inaudible) I see it right there. (inaudible) (inaudible) Pull the (inaudible) All right. Now (inaudible) You can't raise this up. (inaudible) There you go (inaudible) stand one more second (inaudible) RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CFIU-EAST Page 66 1 LEMUEL KINNEY: My stomach. 2 3 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Are you able to pop this open and (inaudible) for your 4 shoulder? 5 6 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. You guys (inaudible) take it off. 7 8 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Hold on. Hold on. (inaudible) right there? 9 10 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. 11 12 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: You want the whole thing off or (inaudible) you are in charge 13 there. 14 15 MALE VOICE: (inaudible) 16 17 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. 18 19 MALE VOICE: That's fine right there. So you have one right there, right there 20 — 21 22 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 23 24 MALE VOICE: (inaudible) 25 26 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: And he's got another one on — on the side. 27 28 LEMUEL KINNEY: I (inaudible) I see it right there. 29 30 MALE VOICE: (inaudible) 31 32 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 33 34 MALE VOICE: Pull the (inaudible) 35 36 LEMUEL KINNEY: All right. Now (inaudible) 37 38 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: You can't raise this up. 39 40 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 41 42 MALE VOICE: There you go (inaudible) stand one more second (inaudible) 43 we'll get you back inside. RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 67 1 2 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 3 4 MALE VOICE: Huh? 5 6 LEMUEL KINNEY: I might be (inaudible) 7 8 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Is that is that just the — the only one you have right here 9 when you had them on your side or do you have another one? 10 11 LEMUEL KINNEY: No (inaudible) yeah (inaudible) 12 13 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: (inaudible) does it have a (inaudible) right there? (inaudible) 14 real quick. Cool. All right. 15 16 LEMUEL KINNEY: I think (inaudible) 17 18 MALE VOICE: (inaudible) 19 20 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: It's way too (inaudible) 21 22 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) get (inaudible) 23 24 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: No (inaudible) that should be out. 25 26 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 27 28 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Thank you. 29 30 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 31 32 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Okay. 33 34 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 35 36 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) going back to (inaudible) 37 38 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Yeah. 39 40 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) eat some food, man. 41 42 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: We held out (inaudible) of the bargain, right? (inaudible) one 43 like that. RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 67 1 2 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 3 4 MALE VOICE: Huh? 5 6 LEMUEL KINNEY: I might be (inaudible) 7 8 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Is that is that just the — the only one you have right here 9 when you had them on your side or do you have another one? 10 11 LEMUEL KINNEY: No (inaudible) yeah (inaudible) 12 13 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: (inaudible) does it have a (inaudible) right there? (inaudible) 14 real quick. Cool. All right. 15 16 LEMUEL KINNEY: I think (inaudible) 17 18 MALE VOICE: (inaudible) 19 20 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: It's way too (inaudible) 21 22 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) get (inaudible) 23 24 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: No (inaudible) that should be out. 25 26 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 27 28 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Thank you. 29 30 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 31 32 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Okay. 33 34 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 35 36 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) going back to (inaudible) 37 38 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Yeah. 39 40 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) eat some food, man. 41 42 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: We held out (inaudible) of the bargain, right? (inaudible) one 43 like that. RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 68 1 2 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (laughing) (inaudible) right? 3 4 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Shit. I'm - I'm used to working the west end of the County. 5 6 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: He works the west end (inaudible) how he can do that. 7 8 LEMUEL KINNEY: Damn. 9 10 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Hell, no. 11 12 LEMUEL KINNEY: That's all (inaudible) though. (inaudible) case like this 13 (inaudible) 14 15 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: For what? 16 17 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 18 19 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Yeah. And it's kind of funny (inaudible) 20 21 LEMUEL KINNEY: (laughing) 22 23 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) for what? 24 25 LEMUEL KINNEY: It has been like 20 years (inaudible) 26 27 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: What does that mean, though? You — you've done the flash 28 (inaudible) what the hell — what happens when they violate you? So do you go in there for maybe — 29 maybe 10 days? 30 31 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: We're not trying to minimize it, okay? But the reality is, I 32 mean, people are being held accountable (inaudible) not in this state. 33 34 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) this shit's gonna go violent right here, somehow 35 like no one out here. (inaudible) find out I shot (inaudible) 36 37 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: We talked to all these guys. They don't know you. 38 39 LEMUEL KINNEY: Huh? (inaudible) 40 41 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) these guys know you here. 42 43 LEMUEL KINNEY: Police don't know me (inaudible) RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFFS DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 68 1 2 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (laughing) (inaudible) right? 3 4 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Shit. I'm — I'm used to working the west end of the County. 5 6 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: He works the west end (inaudible) how he can do that. 7 8 LEMUEL KINNEY: Damn. 9 10 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Hell, no. 11 12 LEMUEL KINNEY: That's all (inaudible) though. (inaudible) case like this 13 (inaudible) 14 15 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: For what? 16 17 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 18 19 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Yeah. And it's kind of funny (inaudible) 20 21 LEMUEL KINNEY: (laughing) 22 23 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) for what? 24 25 LEMUEL KINNEY: It has been like 20 years (inaudible) 26 27 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: What does that mean, though? You — you've done the flash 28 (inaudible) what the hell — what happens when they violate you? So do you go in there for maybe — 29 maybe 10 days? 30 31 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: We're not trying to minimize it, okay? But the reality is, I 32 mean, people are being held accountable (inaudible) not in this state. 33 34 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) this shit's gonna go violent right here, somehow 35 like no one out here. (inaudible) find out I shot (inaudible) 36 37 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: We talked to all these guys. They don't know you. 38 39 LEMUEL KINNEY: Huh? (inaudible) 40 41 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) these guys know you here. 42 43 LEMUEL KINNEY: Police don't know me (inaudible) RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 69 1 2 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Or (inaudible) what are you viral for? 3 4 LEMUEL KINNEY: Just like (inaudible) 5 6 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: I know. For what? 7 8 LEMUEL KINNEY: Everybody out here. 9 I 0 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: So you're on social media? That's what you're telling me? II Okay. What are you doing on social media? 12 13 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) I be rapping and shit. 14 15 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Okay. So you're a music man now. When was the last video? 16 17 EMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) actually shooting now (inaudible) coming down 18 from Miami. (inaudible) bring a few cars out (inaudible) shooting the video on the 28th. 19 20 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: And so you're going old school rap or are you going new 21 school? 22 23 LEMUEL KINNEY: New school, club shit. 24 25 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Okay. (inaudible) so no gangster street stuff? (inaudible) 26 trying to (inaudible) 27 28 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) parole. 29 30 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: You sure? Cause you know if it's out there, we're gonna find 31 it. 32 33 LEMUEL KINNEY: Where? 34 35 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Any videos you put out, any music out put out. That's why 36 I'm asking. 37 38 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 39 40 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: So it's all new school crime stuff? (inaudible) street gangster 41 rap. 42 RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 69 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Or (inaudible) what are you viral for? LEMUEL KINNEY: Just like (inaudible) INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: I know. For what? 8 LEMUEL KINNEY: 9 10 11 12 13 LEMUEL KINNEY: 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: 21 school? 22 23 LEMUEL KINNEY: 24 25 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: 26 trying to (inaudible) 27 28 LEMUEL KINNEY: 29 30 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: 31 it. 32 33 LEMUEL KINNEY: 34 35 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: 36 I'm asking. 37 38 LEMUEL KINNEY: 39 40 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: 41 rap. 42 Everybody out here. INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: So you're on social media? That's what you're telling me? Okay. What are you doing on social media? (inaudible) I be rapping and shit. INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Okay. So you're a music man now. When was the last video? EMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) actually shooting now (inaudible) coming down from Miami. (inaudible) bring a few cars out (inaudible) shooting the video on the 28th. And so you're going old school rap or are you going new New school, club shit. Okay. (inaudible) so no gangster street stuff? (inaudible) (inaudible) parole. You sure? Cause you know if it's out there, we're gonna find Where? Any videos you put out, any music out put out. That's why (inaudible) So it's all new school crime stuff? (inaudible) street gangster RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 70 1 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) my flicking (inaudible) popping bottles and 2 gangbang. 3 4 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: All right. I asked you a question before I came out here an you 5 looked at me. What did this all surround? 6 7 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 8 9 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) so who do you owe? 10 11 LEMUEL KINNEY: Him. 12 13 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: For what? 14 15 LEMUEL KINNEY: Pills. 16 17 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: What kind of pills? 18 19 LEMUEL KINNEY: Percocet's. 20 21 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Okay. You've been out three months. How long has he been 22 out? 23 24 LEMUEL KINNEY: A month (inaudible) 25 26 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) 27 28 LEMUEL KINNEY: Before me probably. 29 30 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: So is this debt from the street or debt from the inside? 31 32 LEMUEL KINNEY: It's debts from the street that I accumulated from my habit. 33 34 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: What's your (inaudible) man? 35 36 LEMUEL KINNEY: Fentanyl. 37 38 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: That's some serious shit. 39 40 LEMUEL KINNEY: Tell me about it. Got out of prison with a heroin addiction. I 41 try to flicking — crazy (inaudible) must be going to me. This man named i He's like a 42 rehabilitator out of San Diego. I'm supposed to be there right now checking into rehab. 43 RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 70 1 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) my flicking (inaudible) popping bottles and 2 gangbang. 3 4 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: All right. I asked you a question before I came out here an you 5 looked at me. What did this all surround? 6 7 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 8 9 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) so who do you owe? 10 11 LEMUEL KINNEY: Him. 12 13 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: For what? 14 15 LEMUEL KINNEY: Pills. 16 17 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: What kind of pills? 18 19 LEMUEL KINNEY: Percocet's. 20 21 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Okay. You've been out three months. How long has he been 22 out? 23 24 LEMUEL KINNEY: A month (inaudible) 25 26 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) 27 28 LEMUEL KINNEY: Before me probably. 29 30 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: So is this debt from the street or debt from the inside? 31 32 LEMUEL KINNEY: It's debts from the street that I accumulated from my habit. 33 34 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: What's your (inaudible) man? 35 36 LEMUEL KINNEY: Fentanyl. 37 38 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: That's some serious shit. 39 40 LEMUEL KINNEY: Tell me about it. Got out of prison with a heroin addiction. I 41 try to fucking — crazy (inaudible) must be going to me. This man named l He's like a 42 rehabilitator out of San Diego. I'm supposed to be there right now checking into rehab. 43 RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 71 1 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: And you say you had a drug problem (inaudible) anything back in the (inaudible) history? And you said it was (inaudible) you just came out of? LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) Saint (inaudible) they right down the street from each other. I've been to bother of them. INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: But you have history in there or — or OD or anything? LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) a lot of dirties. INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Possession? LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: Possession. That was all heroin? So what happens when it hit the street? He's still flicked up. I've been (inaudible) two days. INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: How did you — how did you come across this Brattis? Is that his real name? Let's start off (inaudible) cause we can't find shit on him. That's his true name? LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: It's a real fucking name. Okay. What's he go by on the street? I don't really know. Come on. If this (inaudible) I know him as Brattis. That's it. So how did you end up getting hooked up with Brattis? Through his sister. So that whole story about (inaudible) are true? I (inaudible) (inaudible) "Oh, it's not mine." (inaudible) I mean like (inaudible) RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 71 1 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: And you say you had a drug problem (inaudible) anything back in the (inaudible) history? And you said it was (inaudible) you just came out of? LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) Saint (inaudible) they right down the street from each other. I've been to bother of them. INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: But you have history in there or — or OD or anything? LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) a lot of dirties. INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Possession? LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: Possession. That was all heroin? So what happens when it hit the street? He's still flicked up. I've been (inaudible) two days. INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: How did you — how did you come across this Brads? Is that his real name? Let's start off (inaudible) cause we can't find shit on him. That's his true name? LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: It's a real fucking name. Okay. What's he go by on the street? I don't really know. Come on. If this (inaudible) I know him as Brattis. That's it. So how did you end up getting hooked up with Bmttis? Through his sister. So that whole story about (inaudible) are true? I (inaudible) (inaudible) "Oh, it's not mine." (inaudible) I mean like (inaudible) RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 72 1 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: So how did it go down? 2 3 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) he gave me some Percocet's. Popped them, chilled 4 with his sister for a little bit and (inaudible) got home (inaudible) "I ain't tripping on the money. 5 Take me where I need to go." Cause I - I ain't got shit. All right. (inaudible) everything (inaudible) 6 I drove (inaudible) participated — 7 8 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) was laying down. I see your head nodding. Is that a 9 "Yes?" 10 11 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. 12 13 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Did he talk to you about what he was gonna do? 14 15 LEMUEL KINNEY: No. I just figured it out (inaudible) picked him the first one. 16 17 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Did he ever pull the gun (inaudible) and tell you to keep 18 going? 19 20 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) after the first time. We stopped at Agua first. He 21 seen somebody that he beefed with, but, ah -- this Mexican dude like shot his mom's car up in 22 Desert Hot Springs (inaudible) so he said he was gonna handle that and we just (inaudible) drove 23 up. So I'm like (inaudible) got out of the car. I'm like, "Damn, (inaudible) got to kill somebody." 24 That's why I got out of the car (inaudible) see what he was doing. He (inaudible) and dude was 25 (inaudible) so — 26 27 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: So (inaudible) his reason for (inaudible) he was (inaudible) 28 that's why he (inaudible) okay? 29 30 LEMUEL KINNEY: Got back in the car (inaudible) to everyone down here on Bob 31 Hope. All right. (inaudible) back to Agua. (inaudible) 32 33 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Well, first off. Did you see them actually talk to the guy? 34 35 LEMUEL KINNEY: No. I just seen him get out the car. He seen them pull up. It 36 was a couple cars (inaudible) it was a (inaudible) it was a car. It was like a — a (inaudible) BM — a 37 black — a black van, a black BMW and a white van. (Inaudible) this is all (inaudible) white BMW 38 (inaudible) cause (inaudible) but he was trying to smoke, the dude in the black BMW, the light- 39 skinned dude with dreads. 40 41 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Okay. So did you ever also see him talk to anyone or 42 (inaudible) 43 RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 72 1 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: So how did it go down? 2 3 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) he gave me some Percocet's. Popped them, chilled 4 with his sister for a little bit and (inaudible) got home (inaudible) "I ain't tripping on the money. 5 Take me where I need to go." Cause I — I ain't got shit. All right. (inaudible) everything (inaudible) 6 I drove (inaudible) participated — 7 8 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) was laying down. I see your head nodding. Is that a 9 "Yes?" 10 11 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. 12 13 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Did he talk to you about what he was gonna do? 14 15 LEMUEL KINNEY: No. I just figured it out (inaudible) picked him the first one. 16 17 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Did he ever pull the gun (inaudible) and tell you to keep 18 going? 19 20 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) after the first time. We stopped at Agua first. He 21 seen somebody that he beefed with, but, ah -- this Mexican dude like shot his mom's car up in 22 Desert Hot Springs (inaudible) so he said he was gonna handle that and we just (inaudible) drove 23 up. So I'm like (inaudible) got out of the car. I'm like, "Damn, (inaudible) got to kill somebody." 24 That's why I got out of the car (inaudible) see what he was doing. He (inaudible) and dude was 25 (inaudible) so — 26 27 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: So (inaudible) his reason for (inaudible) he was (inaudible) 28 that's why he (inaudible) okay? 29 30 LEMUEL KINNEY: Got back in the car (inaudible) to everyone down here on Bob 31 Hope. All right. (inaudible) back to Agua. (inaudible) 32 33 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Well, first off. Did you see them actually talk to the guy? 34 35 LEMUEL KINNEY: No. I just seen him get out the car. He seen them pull up. It 36 was a couple cars (inaudible) it was a (inaudible) it was a car. It was like a — a (inaudible) BM — a 37 black — a black van, a black BMW and a white van. (Inaudible) this is all (inaudible) white BMW 38 (inaudible) cause (inaudible) but he was trying to smoke, the dude in the black BMW, the light- 39 skinned dude with dreads. 40 41 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Okay. So did you ever also see him talk to anyone or 42 (inaudible) 43 RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 73 1 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 2 3 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) the Hispanic or a black (inaudible) anything? 4 5 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 6 7 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) face-to-face confrontation with someone? 8 9 LEMUEL KINNEY: Never seen it. 10 11 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: So the Hispanic dude that he (inaudible) they never talked to 12 each other? 13 14 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) he didn't get a chance to talk to him. He only 15 (inaudible) 16 17 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: So he's — he's probably (inaudible) there was no talk 18 (inaudible) this girl (inaudible) whoever beat you up or whatever he did (inaudible) 19 20 LEMUEL KINNEY: He was there already. 21 22 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Okay. 23 24 LEMUEL KINNEY: When he got inside, we were on the third floor so the 25 escalators was already taking him down, but you can see the police right there. (inaudible) when 26 you're coming in, so he (inaudible) I'm guessing he turned around. (inaudible) 27 28 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) 29 30 LEMUEL KINNEY: I'm guessing. I stopped (inaudible) when I looked in and seen 31 who he was behind, I just got back in the car. (inaudible) and turned around, parked. He came 32 (inaudible) and got in the car. I didn't hear no shots or nothing, so I'm like "fuck." 33 34 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: But he told you what he was gonna go do at that moment? 35 36 LEMUEL KINNEY: He would say that — when he got back in the car, he was like 37 (inaudible) right there (inaudible) on the car. He's like (inaudible) and everything (inaudible) 38 39 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Okay. So you (inaudible) 40 41 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 42 43 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Cause he told you? Did he show it to you? Did you see it? RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9181) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 73 1 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 2 3 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) the Hispanic or a black (inaudible) anything? 4 5 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 6 7 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) face-to-face confrontation with someone? 8 9 LEMUEL KINNEY: Never seen it. 10 11 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: So the Hispanic dude that he (inaudible) they never talked to 12 each other? 13 14 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) he didn't get a chance to talk to him. He only 15 (inaudible) 16 17 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: So he's — he's probably (inaudible) there was no talk 18 (inaudible) this girl (inaudible) whoever beat you up or whatever he did (inaudible) 19 20 LEMUEL KINNEY: He was there already. 21 22 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Okay. 23 24 LEMUEL KINNEY: When he got inside, we were on the third floor so the 25 escalators was already taking him down, but you can see the police right there. (inaudible) when 26 you're coming in, so he (inaudible) I'm guessing he turned around. (inaudible) 27 28 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) 29 30 LEMUEL KINNEY: I'm guessing. I stopped (inaudible) when I looked in and seen 31 who he was behind, I just got back in the car. (inaudible) and turned around, parked. He came 32 (inaudible) and got in the car. I didn't hear no shots or nothing, so I'm like "fuck." 33 34 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: But he told you what he was gonna go do at that moment? 35 36 LEMUEL KINNEY: He would say that — when he got back in the car, he was like 37 (inaudible) right there (inaudible) on the car. He's like (inaudible) and everything (inaudible) 38 39 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Okay. So you (inaudible) 40 41 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 42 43 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Cause he told you? Did he show it to you? Did you see it? RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9181) 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 74 LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) So (inaudible) This is right at that point. Okay. So then he tells you, "Let's go up to (inaudible) (inaudible) Bob Hope. INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Okay. LEMUEL KINNEY: So still I don't know what he's doing till I hear the lady screaming, him telling me to drive. It was a — a orange Tesla parked up in the corner. He (inaudible) in there (inaudible) whoever was in the Tesla (inaudible) just sitting in the (inaudible) in the driver's (inaudible) INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: So did you approach that car? LEMUEL KINNEY: Nah. (inaudible) INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: So what happens then? LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) and I told him (inaudible) that's it. (inaudible) or (inaudible) or like (inaudible) INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: Something to do. Got to use the restroom? Yeah. I got to take a shit. I got to take a shit. (inaudible) (inaudible) All right. (inaudible) shit. (inaudible) We'll get somebody to take you. (inaudible) Probably RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 74 LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) So (inaudible) This is right at that point. Okay. So then he tells you, "Let's go up to (inaudible) (inaudible) Bob Hope. INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Okay. LEMUEL KINNEY: So still I don't know what he's doing till I hear the lady screaming, him telling me to drive. It was a — a orange Tesla parked up in the corner. He (inaudible) in there (inaudible) whoever was in the Tesla (inaudible) just sitting in the (inaudible) in the driver's (inaudible) INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: So did you approach that car? LEMUEL KINNEY: Nah. (inaudible) INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: So what happens then? LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) and I told him (inaudible) that's it. Probably (inaudible) or (inaudible) or like (inaudible) INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: Something to do. Got to use the restroom? Yeah. I got to take a shit. I got to take a shit. (inaudible) (inaudible) All right. (inaudible) shit. (inaudible) We'll get somebody to take you. (inaudible) RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 75 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: 1310 hours. Pausing this recording. (inaudible) (inaudible) Tarantino (inaudible) Jesus. (inaudible) I know. We're almost done (inaudible) (inaudible) drugs (inaudible) and shit. (inaudible) we got some jail water. (inaudible) The hospital ones (inaudible) (inaudible) use your shirt. No shirt (inaudible) You want that sandwich? Are you gonna eat some? LEMUEL KINNEY: I need to get (inaudible) INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) remember where your (inaudible) before you got to use the restroom? We were talking about how the first incident (inaudible) how he told you and (inaudible) and you suspected dope. Shot up his mama's car? LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Then you said, "Immediately after that, you guys drove up to Bob Hope — LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: — right? And you said (inaudible) side, but you — you weren't feeling it, right? I don't want to put words in your mouth. LEMUEL KINNEY: I wasn't gonna allow him to do that in my car. INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Okay. RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 75 1 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: 1310 hours. Pausing this recording. 2 3 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 4 5 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: (inaudible) Tarantino (inaudible) Jesus. 6 7 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 8 9 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: I know. We're almost done (inaudible) 10 11 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) drugs (inaudible) and shit. 12 13 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) we got some jail water. 14 15 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 16 17 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: The hospital ones (inaudible) 18 19 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) use your shirt. No shirt (inaudible) 20 21 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: You want that sandwich? Are you gonna eat some? 22 23 LEMUEL KINNEY: I need to get (inaudible) 24 25 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) remember where your (inaudible) before you got 26 to use the restroom? We were talking about how the first incident (inaudible) how he told you and 27 (inaudible) and you suspected dope. Shot up his mama's car? 28 29 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. 30 31 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Then you said, "Immediately after that, you guys drove up to 32 Bob Hope — 33 34 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. 35 36 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: -- right? And you said (inaudible) side, but you you weren't 37 feeling it, right? I don't want to put words in your mouth. 38 39 LEMUEL KINNEY: I wasn't gonna allow him to do that in my car. 40 41 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Okay. 42 RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 76 1 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) whatever he did, he did. (inaudible) clear. I didn't 2 rob nobody. 3 4 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) would like to. 5 6 LEMUEL KINNEY: So we clear. 7 8 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Okay. 9 10 LEMUEL KINNEY: I didn't rob nobody. I didn't get paid any money. 11 12 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: But this whole thing about you going with him and you 13 driving, it's all (inaudible) cause you believe there was a debt over the two Percocet pills, a lot of 14 money, Percocet pills he gave you. 15 16 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. That and they cost $15 a piece. 17 18 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: So for $30? 19 20 LEMUEL KINNEY: I have $30. I didn't say he gave me two 21 22 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Okay. So how many? 23 24 LEMUEL KINNEY: This is over a three-month period. I haven't paid him shit. 25 26 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Oh, shit. 27 28 LEMUEL KINNEY: And I (inaudible) I do six a day. 29 30 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Six? 31 32 LEMUEL KINNEY: Six. 33 34 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: A day? 35 36 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Holy shit. 37 38 LEMUEL KINNEY: A day. 39 40 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Plus Fentanyl or just - 41 42 LEMUEL KINNEY: Not the Fentanyl (inaudible) 43 • RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 76 1 LEMUEL KINNEY: rob nobody. (inaudible) whatever he did, he did. (inaudible) clear. I didn't INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) would like to. LEMUEL KINNEY: So we clear. INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Okay. LEMUEL KINNEY: I didn't rob nobody. I didn't get paid any money. INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: But this whole thing about you going with him and you driving, it's all (inaudible) cause you believe there was a debt over the two Percocet pills, a lot of money, Percocet pills he gave you. LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. That and they cost $15 a piece. So for $30? I have $30. I didn't say he gave me two. INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Okay. So how many? LEMUEL KINNEY: This is over a three-month period. I haven't paid him shit. INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Oh, shit. LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: And I (inaudible) I do six a day. Six? Six. INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: A day? INVESTIGATOR PAZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: Holy shit. A day. Plus Fentanyl or just — Not the Fentanyl (inaudible) RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 77 1 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Oh (inaudible) got you, got you. 2 3 LEMUEL KINNEY: The 30's are called (inaudible) six a day, $15 a piece for three 4 months. Do the math. 5 6 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: But you're working. You said — you just told us outside you 7 were working construction. 8 9 LEMUEL KINNEY: I am. I'm doing shit (inaudible) that car, that's — that's my 10 (inaudible) car, but I financed it and I gave her the money for it. I take care of it, you know? My 11 (inaudible) 12 13 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Do you didn't pay one — not a cent, not a dime, not a 14 (inaudible) 15 16 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) fi rst time, (inaudible) I'll pay you at $15 a piece. 17 Two of them. (inaudible) two of them and he gave four of them. 18 19 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: But the way you make it sound is that he asked you for a 20 (inaudible) and you went along with it. Not like he threatened you going for the ride. I mean, did he 21 tell you that he was gonna forget the debt? So explain it to me. Tell me how that went down? 22 23 LEMUEL KINNEY: I just told you. He tell me that "Forget about the money you 24 owe if you give me a ride where I need to go." "All right. You want me to just drop you off?" 25 "Yeah. (inaudible)" "And I'll bring you back too." 26 27 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: So he wanted you to be the driver? 28 29 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) "I want to get dropped off and picked up." That 30 was all (inaudible) drop me off and pick me up. 31 32 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) 33 34 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) "Drop me off and pick me up around the corner." 35 (inaudible) 36 37 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: So you knew. 38 39 LEMUEL KINNEY: I (inaudible) first time, yeah. (inaudible) I thought he was on 40 meth, the guy. 41 42 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: So after the first incident, you knew what he was up to. He 43 was gonna fucking jack people. Yeah? RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 77 1 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Oh (inaudible) got you, got you. 2 3 LEMUEL KINNEY: The 30's are called (inaudible) six a day, $15 a piece for three 4 months. Do the math. 5 6 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: But you're working. You said — you just told us outside you 7 were working construction. 8 9 LEMUEL KINNEY: I am. I'm doing shit (inaudible) that car, that's — that's my 10 (inaudible) car, but I financed it and I gave her the money for it. I take care of it, you know? My 11 (inaudible) 12 13 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Do you didn't pay one — not a cent, not a dime, not a 14 (inaudible) 15 16 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) first time, (inaudible) I'll pay you at $15 a piece. 17 Two of them. (inaudible) two of them and he gave four of them. 18 19 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: But the way you make it sound is that he asked you for a 20 (inaudible) and you went along with it. Not like he threatened you going for the ride. I mean, did he 21 tell you that he was gonna forget the debt? So explain it to me. Tell me how that went down? 22 23 LEMUEL KINNEY: I just told you. He tell me that "Forget about the money you 24 owe if you give me a ride where I need to go." "All right. You want me to just drop you off?" 25 "Yeah. (inaudible)" "And I'll bring you back too." 26 27 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: So he wanted you to be the driver? 28 29 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) "I want to get dropped off and picked up." That 30 was all (inaudible) drop me off and pick me up. 31 32 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) 33 34 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) "Drop me off and pick me up around the comer." 35 (inaudible) 36 37 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: So you knew. 38 39 LEMUEL KINNEY: I (inaudible) first time, yeah. (inaudible) I thought he was on 40 meth, the guy. 41 42 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: So after the first incident, you knew what he was up to. He 43 was gonna fucking jack people. Yeah? RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 78 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: take off? Say, "Fuck it?" LEMUEL KINNEY: car (inaudible) until really like — INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: in the black Beemer? Did you see anybody else that maybe after dropping him off I mean (inaudible) after that after that, he didn't get out the (inaudible) (inaudible) Yeah, at the — at the — at the other casino. Yeah. And what what happened with the black guy — the black guy LEMUEL KINNEY: Like I told you, he was gonna get — go get (inaudible) he didn't even walk that far. The dude already was in the building. INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: after that dude, but after — LEMUEL KINNEY: Oh, okay. So that's when you said after that (inaudible) well — After that (inaudible) Cause I don't want you (inaudible) thought he was just going (inaudible) which one? INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: The first guy that you say that you went after (inaudible) LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: (inaudible) he had a black BMW too. It sounds crazy, but it's Black BMW and a Hispanic guy, not a black guy — No. -- Hispanic. RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 78 1 2 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Did you see anybody else that maybe after dropping him off 3 take off? Say, "Fuck it?" 4 5 LEMUEL KINNEY: I mean (inaudible) after that after that, he didn't get out the 6 car (inaudible) until really like — 7 8 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) 9 10 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 11 12 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Yeah, at the — at the — at the other casino. 13 14 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. 15 16 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: And what — what happened with the black guy — the black guy 17 in the black Beemer? 18 19 LEMUEL KINNEY: Like I told you, he was gonna get — go get (inaudible) he 20 didn't even walk that far. The dude already was in the building. 21 22 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Oh, okay. 23 24 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: So that's when you said after that (inaudible) well — 25 26 LEMUEL KINNEY: After that (inaudible) 27 28 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Cause I don't want you (inaudible) thought he was just going 29 after that dude, but after — 30 31 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) which one? 32 33 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: The first guy that you say that you went after (inaudible) 34 35 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) he had a black BMW too. It sounds crazy, but it's 36 (inaudible) 37 38 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Black BMW and a Hispanic guy, not a black guy — 39 40 LEMUEL KINNEY: No. 41 42 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: -- Hispanic. 43 RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 79 1 LEMUEL KINNEY: I said Hispanic guy with dreads — with dreads. 2 3 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: So is he a Puerto Rican? 4 5 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) he looked Hispanic to me (inaudible) 6 7 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Oh. 8 9 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: (laughing) 10 11 LEMUEL KINNEY: It was dreads. The guy had dreads, but his hair was like silkier 12 like — he looked Hispanic (inaudible) 13 14 15 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Okay. 16 17 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) with dreads. It's not the first time I seen him. 18 19 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: So let me make sure I got — cause I think I'm confused now. 20 21 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 22 23 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: So the first dude, was it — he went after — it was a Hispanic 24 dude - 25 26 LEMUEL KINNEY: He came in -- 27 28 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: -- with dreads. 29 30 LEMUEL KINNEY: He came in with — yeah, a group of (inaudible) he came in 31 with a fat dude, ah -- like 300 pounds and a female. 32 33 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Like supposedly this Hispanic guy with dreads had shot up his 34 ah — Brattis's mom's car. That's why he was going after him? 35 36 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. 37 38 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: So that was the initial thing. You thought he was just going 39 after that dude for — for payback, but then he really tried to jack some black dude in a BMW? 40 41 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. 42 43 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Or you saw him (inaudible) RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 79 1 LEMUEL KINNEY: I said Hispanic guy with dreads — with dreads. 2 3 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: So is he a Puerto Rican? 4 5 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) he looked Hispanic to me (inaudible) 6 7 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Oh. 8 9 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: (laughing) 10 11 LEMUEL KINNEY: It was dreads. The guy had dreads, but his hair was like silkier 12 like — he looked Hispanic (inaudible) 13 14 15 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Okay. 16 17 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) with dreads. It's not the first time I seen him. 18 19 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: So let me make sure I got — cause I think I'm confused now. 20 21 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 22 23 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: So the first dude, was it — he went after — it was a Hispanic 24 dude — 25 26 LEMUEL KINNEY: He came in -- 27 28 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: -- with dreads. 29 30 LEMUEL KINNEY: He came in with — yeah, a group of (inaudible) he came in 31 with a fat dude, ah — like 300 pounds and a female. 32 33 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Like supposedly this Hispanic guy with dreads had shot up his 34 ah — Brattis's mom's car. That's why he was going after him? 35 36 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. 37 38 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: So that was the initial thing. You thought he was just going 39 after that dude for — for payback, but then he really tried to jack some black dude in a BMW? 40 41 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. 42 43 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Or you saw him (inaudible) RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 80 1 2 LEMUEL KINNEY: When he got out the car. You feel me? 3 4 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Um-hm. 5 6 LEMUEL KINNEY: He got out of the car and walked — just walked that way and 7 he came back to nothing (inaudible) we didn't leave right away, so I know nothing happened. 8 9 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: So after that one, then you figured what he was up to? 10 11 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) we went to Agua Caliente, the other one. 12 13 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: On Bob Hope? 14 15 LEMUEL KINNEY: Then when the lady started screaming and I picked him up and 16 he didn't want to tell me what happened (inaudible) "Who told you to give it back?" 17 18 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: So then — okay. So the (inaudible) who was — until that lady 19 screamed that you realized what he was up to? 20 21 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. 22 23 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Then you guys came back over here, circled the parking lot. 24 He was — cause he was looking for somebody else, right? 25 26 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. 27 28 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: So you guys were circling the parking lot cause he was 29 looking to jack somebody else? 30 31 LEMUEL KINNEY: That's (inaudible) 32 33 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: (inaudible) 34 35 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: And just go back to when he first tried to jack the lady at Bob 36 Hope and she screams and you pick him up and -- he's running and you pick him up. When you 37 drove out of there, you drove out of there like a bat out of hell. 38 39 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Hm? 40 41 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. 42 43 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Cause that's what surveillance shows, right? RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 80 1 2 LEMUEL KINNEY: When he got out the car. You feel me? 3 4 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Um-hm. 5 6 LEMUEL KINNEY: He got out of the car and walked —just walked that way and 7 he came back to nothing (inaudible) we didn't leave right away, so I know nothing happened. 8 9 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: So after that one, then you figured what he was up to? 10 11 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) we went to Agua Caliente, the other one. 12 13 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: On Bob Hope? 14 15 LEMUEL KINNEY: Then when the lady started screaming and I picked him up and 16 he didn't want to tell me what happened (inaudible) "Who told you to give it back?" 17 18 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: So then — okay. So the (inaudible) who was — until that lady 19 screamed that you realized what he was up to? 20 21 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. 22 23 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Then you guys came back over here, circled the parking lot. 24 He was — cause he was looking for somebody else, right? 25 26 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. 27 28 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: So you guys were circling the parking lot cause he was 29 looking to jack somebody else? 30 31 LEMUEL KINNEY: That's (inaudible) 32 33 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: (inaudible) 34 35 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: And just go back to when he first tried to jack the lady at Bob 36 Hope and she screams and you pick him up and -- he's running and you pick him up. When you 37 drove out of there, you drove out of there like a bat out of hell. 38 39 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Hm? 40 41 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. 42 43 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Cause that's what surveillance shows, right? RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 81 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 the — 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 there. 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 fast. LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: You fucking (inaudible) LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: -- flying out of there. No lights on, nothing. LEMUEL KINNEY: Nothing. INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Cause (inaudible) shit. INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Cause you knew what — what went down. LEMUEL KINNEY: Cause he's not saying nothing and I'm just looking at him (inaudible) foot on the gas, like "What's up?" (inaudible) INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Now you picked him up in the parking structure or outside of LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: I want to say into the parking structure. So he almost outside of the parking structure? (inaudible) he was running faster (inaudible) he's not running So — so you picked him up and then you hauled ass out of Yeah. (inaudible) How much do you estimate you owed him? (inaudible) Well, you said six a day, 15 a pill for how long? Three months. Three months. RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 81 1 2 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. 3 4 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: You fucking (inaudible) 5 6 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 7 8 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: flying out of there. No lights on, nothing. 9 10 LEMUEL KINNEY: Nothing. 11 12 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Cause (inaudible) shit. 13 14 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Cause you knew what — what went down. 15 16 LEMUEL KINNEY: Cause he's not saying nothing and I'm just looking at him 17 . (inaudible) foot on the gas, like "What's up?" (inaudible) 18 19 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Now you picked him up in the parking structure or outside of 20 the — 21 22 LEMUEL KINNEY: 23 24 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: 25 26 LEMUEL KINNEY: 27 fast. 28 29 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: 30 there. 31 32 LEMUEL KINNEY: 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 I want to say into the parking structure. So he almost outside of the parking structure? (inaudible) he was running faster (inaudible) he's not running So — so you picked him up and then you hauled ass out of Yeah. (inaudible) INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: How much do you estimate you owed him? LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Well, you said six a day, 15 a pill for how long? LEMUEL KINNEY: Three months. INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Three months. RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 82 1 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: For — for 90 days, huh? 2 3 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 4 5 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Well, let's see — 6 7 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) the 10 (inaudible) one night. 8 9 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Fuck. 10 11 LEMUEL KINNEY: Smack back not even knowing what's going on. I was high as 12 fuck too. I'm like (inaudible) and shit. 13 14 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Holy shit. So $90 bucks a day. Six time fifteen, 90, right? So 15 you're saying you did six a day — 16 17 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) about a $100 a day with (inaudible) fucking — 18 19 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: For — for 90 days. You're looking at about — 20 21 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 22 23 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: (inaudible) 8 - 9 - 8100. 24 25 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. 26 27 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: God damn. That's 8 Grand. 28 29 LEMUEL KINNEY: I had the same issue in prison too. (inaudible) drop out. 30 31 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: You were in debt in there? You're a hundred percent positive 32 there's no other guns in that car now? You're not? 33 34 LEMUEL KINNEY: No. I say I'm positive there are no other guns — 35 36 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Okay. 37 38 LEMUEL KINNEY: -- in there. 39 40 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: That's why I said, "Are you a hundred percent positive?" 41 42 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 43 RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9181) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 82 1 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: For — for 90 days, huh? 2 3 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 4 5 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Well, let's see — 6 7 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) the 10 (inaudible) one night. 8 9 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Fuck. 10 11 LEMUEL KINNEY: Smack back not even knowing what's going on. I was high as 12 fuck too. I'm like (inaudible) and shit. 13 14 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Holy shit. So $90 bucks a day. Six time fifteen, 90, right? So 15 you're saying you did six a day — 16 17 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) about a $100 a day with (inaudible) fucking — 18 19 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: For — for 90 days. You're looking at about — 20 21 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 22 23 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: (inaudible) 8 — 9 — 8100. 24 25 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. 26 27 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: God damn. That's 8 Grand. 28 29 LEMUEL KINNEY: I had the same issue in prison too. (inaudible) drop out. 30 31 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: You were in debt in there? You're a hundred percent positive 32 there's no other guns in that car now? You're not? 33 34 LEMUEL KINNEY: No. I say I'm positive there are no other guns — 35 36 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Okay. 37 38 LEMUEL KINNEY: -- in there. 39 40 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: That's why I said, "Are you a hundred percent positive?" 41 42 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 43 RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 83 1 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: So as — as far as the whole robbery stuff, your involvement 2 was just driving him around. You weren't sticking people up. You were just driving — 3 4 LEMUEL KINNEY: Never once do you see me get out one time and I just poke my 5 head to see what he was doing. I thought (inaudible) 6 7 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: So the other involvement you had was just driving him around 8 so he — while he's trying to jack people? 9 10 LEMUEL KINNEY: All he's doing whatever (inaudible) 11 12 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Okay. And you did not point a gun at the cops? 13 14 LEMUEL KINNEY: Not one time. 15 16 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Now, go back to that part where you said that the officers 17 stopped — did the officer's car actually stop you or — 18 19 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. 20 21 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: -- or you stopped into the officer's car? 22 23 LEMUEL KINNEY: No, he turned (inaudible) and stopped us cause I was gonna 24 turn around in the embankment. They — they were turning coming up. I was going down and I was 25 about to get to get ready to turn and the first cop car passed me, boom, and he hit his brakes and the 26 same car — cop car, he just swerved in front of my car (inaudible) bumper to bumper, boom, hit my 27 car. Got right out of the car and started firing. 28 29 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: And — and that's what I'm saying. So is that both cars are still 30 moving when they hit? 31 32 LEMUEL KINNEY: No. He turned into my car to stop it so I won't come around 33 that corner cause I was gone once I hit that corner. 34 35 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Cause you were planning on taking off. 36 37 LEMUEL KINNEY: I was planning to (inaudible) all the way to L.A. (inaudible) 38 39 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: (laughing) 40 41 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 42 43 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Dude (inaudible) RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 83 1 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: So as — as far as the whole robbery stuff, your involvement 2 was just driving him around. You weren't sticking people up. You were just driving — 3 4 LEMUEL KINNEY: Never once do you see me get out one time and I just poke my 5 head to see what he was doing. I thought (inaudible) 6 7 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: So the other involvement you had was just driving him around 8 so he — while he's trying to jack people? 9 10 LEMUEL KINNEY: All he's doing whatever (inaudible) 1I 12 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Okay. And you did not point a gun at the cops? 13 14 LEMUEL KINNEY: Not one time. 15 16 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Now, go back to that part where you said that the officers 17 stopped — did the officer's car actually stop you or — 18 19 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. 20 21 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: -- or you stopped into the officer's car? 22 23 LEMUEL KINNEY: No, he turned (inaudible) and stopped us cause I was gonna 24 turn around in the embankment. They — they were turning coming up. I was going down and I was 25 about to get to get ready to turn and the first cop car passed me, boom, and he hit his brakes and the 26 same car — cop car, he just swerved in front of my car (inaudible) bumper to bumper, boom, hit my 27 car. Got right out of the car and started firing. 28 29 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: And — and that's what I'm saying. So is that both cars are still 30 moving when they hit? 31 32 LEMUEL KINNEY: No. He turned into my car to stop it so I won't come around 33 that corner cause I was gone once I hit that corner. 34 35 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Cause you were planning on taking off. 36 37 LEMUEL KINNEY: I was planning to (inaudible) all the way to L.A. (inaudible) 38 39 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: (laughing) 40 41 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 42 43 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Dude (inaudible) RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 84 1 2 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) and get it (inaudible) 3 4 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Right. 5 6 LEMUEL KINNEY: And it takes (inaudible) all the way down to (inaudible) jump 7 on (inaudible) 111. 8 9 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Cause you know they were coming for you. 10 11 LEMUEL KINNEY: 140. Yeah (inaudible) 12 13 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Because you saw it was a police car (inaudible) 14 15 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) police car — 16 17 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: It was black and white. 18 19 LEMUEL KINNEY: There's six of them coming up a hill. 20 21 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: All black and white? 22 23 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. 24 25 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Lights? 26 27 LEMUEL KINNEY: All black and white, all lights. 28 29 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Were their lights on or off? 30 31 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) lights are on. 32 33 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: And who else would they be coming for, right? 34 35 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) all those police. At first, I'm like "Shit." When the 36 first police drove past — 37 38 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) 39 40 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: (inaudible) I ain't (inaudible) 41 42 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) for. 43 RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 84 1 2 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) and get it (inaudible) 3 4 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Right. 5 6 LEMUEL KINNEY: And it takes (inaudible) all the way down to (inaudible) jump 7 on (inaudible) 111. 8 9 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Cause you know they were coming for you. 10 11 LEMUEL KINNEY: 140. Yeah (inaudible) 12 13 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Because you saw it was a police car (inaudible) 14 15 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) police car — 16 17 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: It was black and white. 18 19 LEMUEL KINNEY: There's six of them coming up a hill. 20 21 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: All black and white? 22 23 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. 24 25 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Lights? 26 27 LEMUEL KINNEY: All black and white, all lights. 28 29 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Were their lights on or off? 30 31 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) lights are on. 32 33 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: And who else would they be coming for, right? 34 35 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) all those police. At first, I'm like "Shit." When the 36 first police drove past — 37 38 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) 39 40 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: (inaudible) I ain't (inaudible) 41 42 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) for. 43 RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9181) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 85 1 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. Excuse me. He was the first one just coming up the hill. 2 (inaudible) the first one coming — 3 4 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Coming up the (inaudible) 5 6 LEMUEL KINNEY: Coming up the ramp. 7 8 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) 9 10 LEMUEL KINNEY: You got to come around. You got to drive and then you got a 11 curve and come up and then when he was coming up, I was coming down cause we're on the same 12 (inaudible) hill. 13 14 15 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Um-hm. 16 17 LEMUEL KINNEY: So before I even got to the (inaudible) curve at around the 18 thing, the other cop is coming up and just (inaudible) swerved right in the way and stopped me. Just 19 like that, he blocked off my exit so I can't turn. 20 21 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: So did the cars actually (inaudible) 22 23 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 24 25 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: But did the cars actually collide? 26 27 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) my brakes. (inaudible) I hit my brakes and he just 28 drove into my shit, boom, (inaudible) stopped my car like a little pit maneuver (inaudible) 29 30 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Okay. 31 32 LEMUEL KINNEY: -- into the car, just bumper to bumper like the corners. And 33 then he got of the car and then that was it right there. 34 35 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Any commands being yelled? 36 37 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) no commands, no questions asked, no nothing. 38 They just (inaudible) 39 40 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: But you don't know what your partner's doing. 41 42 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Other than he said he pulled the gun out. 43 RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 85 1 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. Excuse me. He was the first one just coming up the hill. 2 (inaudible) the first one coming 3 4 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Coming up the (inaudible) 5 6 LEMUEL KINNEY: Coming up the ramp. 7 8 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) 9 10 LEMUEL KINNEY: You got to come around. You got to drive and then you got a 11 curve and come up and then when he was coming up, I was coming down cause we're on the same 12 (inaudible) hill. 13 14 15 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Um-hm. 16 17 LEMUEL KINNEY: So before I even got to the (inaudible) curve at around the 18 thing, the other cop is coming up and just (inaudible) swerved right in the way and stopped me. Just 19 like that, he blocked off my exit so I can't turn. 20 21 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: So did the cars actually (inaudible) 22 23 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 24 25 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: But did the cars actually collide? 26 27 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) my brakes. (inaudible) I hit my brakes and he just 28 drove into my shit, boom, (inaudible) stopped my car like a little pit maneuver (inaudible) 29 30 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Okay. 31 32 LEMUEL KINNEY: -- into the car, just bumper to bumper like the corners. And 33 then he got of the car and then that was it right there. 34 35 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Any commands being yelled? 36 37 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) no commands, no questions asked, no nothing. 38 They just (inaudible) 39 40 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: But you don't know what your partner's doing. 41 42 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Other than he said he pulled the gun out. 43 RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 86 1 LEMUEL KINNEY: At the end. I'm like all — he like, "Are you straight?" 2 3 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: You're gonna be sore for a couple days, man. 4 5 LEMUEL KINNEY: Fuck. 6 7 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: (inaudible) from the injuries or from your kicking? 8 9 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) my injuries. 10 11 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: How bad's the kicking get? 12 13 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) oh, man. 14 15 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) you need to make sure when you get in there, you 16 tell them your history. 17 18 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) the (inaudible) 19 20 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) 21 22 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) that's where I didn't tell no one I did drugs. They 23 didn't ask me cause you wouldn't basically expect it. 24 25 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: But I'm saying when we hit County, you need to let them 26 know your history of how much you're using. 27 28 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) when we came here, I (inaudible) I was kicking 29 back. I didn't have no blanket, no nothing and these (inaudible) getting cold (inaudible) we got to 30 go back to the hospital (inaudible) write a prescription like something (inaudible) let them know 31 that. Ah — I need some help. 32 33 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: You got to talk to the doctors at County. You're gonna go to 34 the hospital where you need to talk to the doctors there at County (inaudible) 35 36 LEMUEL KINNEY: It's bad (inaudible) 37 38 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: (inaudible) how bad (inaudible) 39 40 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) a year (inaudible) 41 42 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Let me ask you a question. You said you signed a consent 43 form for your DNA. Are you willing to sign one for your medical records too? That way, we can RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 86 1 LEMUEL KINNEY: At the end. I'm like all — he like, "Are you straight?" 2 3 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: You're gonna be sore for a couple days, man. 4 5 LEMUEL KINNEY: Fuck. 6 7 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: (inaudible) from the injuries or from your kicking? 8 9 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) my injuries. 10 11 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: How bad's the kicking get? 12 13 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) oh, man. 14 15 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) you need to make sure when you get in there, you 16 tell them your history. 17 18 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) the (inaudible) 19 20 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) 21 22 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) that's where I didn't tell no one I did drugs. They 23 didn't ask me cause you wouldn't basically expect it. 24 25 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: But I'm saying when we hit County, you need to let them 26 know your history of how much you're using. 27 28 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) when we came here, I (inaudible) I was kicking 29 back. I didn't have no blanket, no nothing and these (inaudible) getting cold (inaudible) we got to 30 go back to the hospital (inaudible) write a prescription like something (inaudible) let them know 31 that. Ah — I need some help. 32 33 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: You got to talk to the doctors at County. You're gonna go to 34 the hospital where you need to talk to the doctors there at County (inaudible) 35 36 LEMUEL KINNEY: It's bad (inaudible) 37 38 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: (inaudible) how bad (inaudible) 39 40 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) a year (inaudible) 41 42 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Let me ask you a question. You said you signed a consent 43 form for your DNA. Are you willing to sign one for your medical records too? That way, we can RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 87 1 properly document that you're in here (inaudible) at the hospital and all that? All right. I'll get you a 2 form too (inaudible) sign that. Anything else (inaudible) home front? 3 4 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Actually (inaudible) get those here. Let me see if I can pull 5 them. 6 7 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Nothing else? 8 9 LEMUEL KINNEY: No. (inaudible) shots was fired (inaudible) tell me (inaudible) 10 in for. I can't take this (inaudible) your (inaudible) bro. Like, ride you beef, fool. (inaudible) 11 12 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Are you telling me he had the gun (inaudible) 13 14 LEMUEL KINNEY: He said, "I got my gun on me and I got (inaudible) 15 16 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: But — but you already knew that from the first get go that he 17 had a gun. He told you. And he told you (inaudible) 18 19 LEMUEL KINNEY: He just tells me like, "I got my gun. I have this purse under the 20 seat." And then the lady (inaudible) the lady screaming. (inaudible) "Hey, hey, get back, get back. 21 (inaudible)" And she was screaming (inaudible) 22 23 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Oh, you heard her say that? Could you tell who she was? 24 White, Hispanic or — 25 26 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah, a white girl. I didn't see the (inaudible) but he knew. 27 (inaudible) 11 more shots off - 28 29 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Did he ever mention that he wasn't gonna go back to prison or 30 anything like that? 31 32 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. That was his whole intention. 33 34 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: To go back or not to go back? 35 36 LEMUEL KINNEY: He (inaudible) going back. 37 38 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: How do you know that? 39 40 LEMUEL KINNEY: You're gonna have to kill him? 41 42 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: When did he say that? 43 RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 87 1 properly document that you're in here (inaudible) at the hospital and all that? All right. I'll get you a 2 form too (inaudible) sign that. Anything else (inaudible) home front? 3 4 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Actually (inaudible) get those here. Let me see if I can pull 5 them. 6 7 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Nothing else? 8 9 LEMUEL KINNEY: No. (inaudible) shots was fired (inaudible) tell me (inaudible) 10 in for. I can't take this (inaudible) your (inaudible) bro. Like, ride you beef, fool. (inaudible) 11 12 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Are you telling me he had the gun (inaudible) 13 14 LEMUEL KINNEY: He said, "I got my gun on me and I got (inaudible) 15 16 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: But — but you already knew that from the first get go that he 17 had a gun. He told you. And he told you (inaudible) 18 19 LEMUEL KINNEY: He just tells me like, "I got my gun. I have this purse under the 20 seat." And then the lady (inaudible) the lady screaming. (inaudible) "Hey, hey, get back, get back. 21 (inaudible)" And she was screaming (inaudible) 22 23 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Oh, you heard her say that? Could you tell who she was? 24 White, Hispanic or — 25 26 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah, a white girl. I didn't see the (inaudible) but he knew. 27 (inaudible) 11 more shots off - 28 29 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Did he ever mention that he wasn't gonna go back to prison or 30 anything like that? 31 32 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. That was his whole intention. 33 34 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: To go back or not to go back? 35 36 LEMUEL KINNEY: He (inaudible) going back. 37 38 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: How do you know that? 39 40 LEMUEL KINNEY: You're gonna have to kill him? 41 42 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: When did he say that? 43 RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 88 1 LEMUEL KINNEY: Let me see. I pulled up on his sister like a month ago and we 2 were just all eating dinner and shit and talking. Everybody in there been to jail — prison. (inaudible) 3 probably everyone there. And it's like (inaudible) like (inaudible) about this family right here and 4 it's someone that ya'll probably are looking for — been looking for (inaudible) on drugs, all these 5 snitches. That house and a lot of dope, probably a lot of wanted people, but I need — I need — I need 6 to get home as soon as as possible. 7 8 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Well, we talk about that later on, man. We can definitely talk 9 about that. That's a decision you need to make. 10 11 LEMUEL KINNEY: It's (inaudible) 12 13 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) 14 15 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) shit. That's all like — 16 17 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) 18 19 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. The (inaudible) 20 21 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) include -- including the mother? 22 23 LEMUEL KINNEY: They all (inaudible) 24 25 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Well, I don't know. 26 27 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yep, all of them. The sisters, but that's — oh, that's his name. 28 That's his name. That's "Crazy or Crazo." 29 30 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: "Crazo?" 31 32 LEMUEL KINNEY: Or "Crazo," yeah. 33 34 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: That's what he goes by? 35 36 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. I don't know (inaudible) his sister, she — she (inaudible) 37 "Crazo." 38 39 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: What the hell they doing all the way out here from L.A.? 40 41 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) they're in Beaumont. They're not all the way out 42 here. 43 RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9181) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 88 1 LEMUEL KINNEY: Let me see. I pulled up on his sister like a month ago and we 2 were just all eating dinner and shit and talking. Everybody in there been to jail — prison. (inaudible) 3 probably everyone there. And it's like (inaudible) like (inaudible) about this family right here and 4 it's someone that ya'll probably are looking for — been looking for (inaudible) on drugs, all these 5 snitches. That house and a lot of dope, probably a lot of wanted people, but I need — I need — I need 6 to get home as soon as as possible. 7 8 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Well, we talk about that later on, man. We can definitely talk 9 about that. That's a decision you need to make. 10 11 LEMUEL KINNEY: It's (inaudible) 12 13 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) 14 15 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) shit. That's all like — 16 17 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) 18 19 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. The (inaudible) 20 21 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) include -- including the mother? 22 23 LEMUEL KINNEY: They all (inaudible) 24 25 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Well, I don't know. 26 27 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yep, all of them. The sisters, but that's — oh, that's his name. 28 That's his name. That's "Crazy or Crazo." 29 30 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: "Crazo?" 31 32 LEMUEL KINNEY: Or "Crazo," yeah. 33 34 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: That's what he goes by? 35 36 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. I don't know (inaudible) his sister, she — she (inaudible) 37 "Crazo." 38 39 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: What the hell they doing all the way out here from L.A.? 40 41 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) they're in Beaumont. They're not all the way out 42 here. 43 RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 89 1 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Oh, so they — so they're not living in the desert (inaudible) 2 3 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) they got a house in the desert and a house — 4 apartment (inaudible) 5 6 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Where in Beaumont. 7 8 LEMUEL KINNEY: Right off of Beaumont Ave (inaudible) this shit (inaudible) 9 10 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Someone still in the apartment? 11 12 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 13 14 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: And whose — whose apartments are those? 15 16 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 17 18 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: His mom's? So what exactly did you say? You just said, "I 19 ain't going back?" 20 21 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) going back. (inaudible) cause I was (inaudible) he 22 wasn't serious (inaudible) 23 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: People have lost their mind this year, man. (inaudible) doing 24 anything crazy, 25 26 LEMUEL KINNEY: Obviously he hasn't. If he wasn't serious, he would have shot 27 his pistol. 28 29 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: You don't think he fired? 30 31 LEMUEL KINNEY: Hell, no. Not one shot. (inaudible) coming in. We got hit 32 (inaudible) 33 34 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Yeah, but when that craziness of going on, you (inaudible) 35 you seriously believe he didn't fire anything? 36 37 LEMUEL KINNEY: He didn't fire. He knew (inaudible) much younger. 38 39 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: How do you know? 40 41 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) I never seen him (inaudible) so (inaudible) 42 43 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9181) 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 89 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Oh, so they — so they're not living in the desert (inaudible) LEMUEL KINNEY: apartment (inaudible) (inaudible) they got a house in the desert and a house — INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Where in Beaumont. LEMUEL KINNEY: Right off of Beaumont Ave (inaudible) this shit (inaudible) INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Someone still in the apartment? LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: And whose — whose apartments are those? LEMUEL IUNNEY: INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: ain't going back?" LEMUEL KINNEY: wasn't serious (inaudible) INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: anything crazy, (inaudible) His mom's? So what exactly did you say? You just said, "I (inaudible) going back. (inaudible) cause I was (inaudible) he People have lost their mind this year, man. (inaudible) doing LEMUEL KINNEY: Obviously he hasn't. If he wasn't serious, he would have shot his pistol. INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: You don't think he fired? LEMUEL KINNEY: Hell, no. Not one shot. (inaudible) coming in. We got hit (inaudible) INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Yeah, but when that craziness of going on, you (inaudible) you seriously believe he didn't fire anything? LEMUEL KINNEY: He didn't fire. He knew (inaudible) much younger. INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: How do you know? LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) I never seen him (inaudible) so (inaudible) INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9181) 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 90 LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) Is it a rifle GLOCK or is it a street GLOCK (inaudible) No. It's a actual GLOCK. INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) Let me try something here. (inaudible) my cigarettes. INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Yeah. Let's get this done (inaudible) INVESTIGATOR PAZ: No, not on me. INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) in the car? LEMUEL KINNEY: It's fine (inaudible) INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) step out and smoke and (inaudible) LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) LEMUEL KINNEY: Huh? INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: So we can do the DNA. He's gonna help me fill it out on the computer some. Do you (inaudible) when you go in? (inaudible) LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: threats against you? No? (inaudible) Okay. It has (inaudible) (inaudible) and make sure. Who do you — who — you got any RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 90 1 2 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 3 4 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Is it a rifle GLOCK or is it a street GLOCK (inaudible) 5 6 LEMUEL KINNEY: No. It's a actual GLOCK. 7 8 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) 9 10 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 11 12 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Let me try something here. 13 14 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) my cigarettes. 15 16 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Yeah. Let's get this done (inaudible) 17 18 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: No, not on me. 19 20 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) in the car? 21 22 LEMUEL KINNEY: It's fine (inaudible) 23 24 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) step out and smoke and (inaudible) 25 26 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 27 28 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) 29 30 LEMUEL KINNEY: Huh? 31 32 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: So we can do the DNA. He's gonna help me fill it out on the 33 computer some. Do you (inaudible) when you go in? (inaudible) 34 35 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 36 37 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Okay. 38 39 LEMUEL KINNEY: It has (inaudible) 40 41 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) and make sure. Who do you — who — you got any 42 threats against you? No? 43 RIVERSIDE couNre- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 91 1 LEMUEL KINNEY: No. 2 3 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: You prefer out here in the desert or on the west end of the 4 County? 5 6 LEMUEL KINNEY: What's the west end? 7 8 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: RPDC, downtown Riverside. 9 10 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. 11 12 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Banning. 13 14 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. Let me (inaudible) 15 16 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Okay. 17 18 LEMUEL KINNEY: West (inaudible) 19 20 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) 21 22 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. 23 24 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: All right. You might end up somewhere close first and then 25 they'll transfer you. 26 27 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 28 29 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: The guy with the (inaudible) talk about (inaudible) 30 31 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Lemuel, what's your last name again? 32 33 LEMUEL KINNEY: Kinney. 34 35 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: K-i-n-n-e-y? 36 37 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. 38 39 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Now, is it junior — 40 41 LEMUEL KINNEY: yd. 42 43 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: The 3rd? RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 91 1 LEMUEL KINNEY: No. 2 3 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: You prefer out here in the desert or on the west end of the 4 County? 5 6 LEMUEL KINNEY: What's the west end? 7 8 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: RPDC, downtown Riverside. 9 10 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. 11 12 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Banning. 13 14 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. Let me (inaudible) 15 16 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Okay. 17 18 LEMUEL KINNEY: West (inaudible) 19 20 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) 21 22 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. 23 24 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: All right. You might end up somewhere close first and then 25 they'll transfer you. 26 27 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 28 29 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: The guy with the (inaudible) talk about (inaudible) 30 31 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Lemuel, what's your last name again? 32 33 LEMUEL KINNEY: Kinney. 34 35 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: K-i-n-n-e-y? 36 37 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. 38 39 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Now, is it junior — 40 41 LEMUEL KINNEY: 3, 42 43 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: The 3? RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9181) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 92 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 LEMUEL KINNEY: Are INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Well, LEMUEL KINNEY: Call you guys gonna who do we contact? contact my family? my 8 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: What's her number? 9 10 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 11 12 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: What's her name? 13 14 LEMUEL KINNEY: 15 Her last name? 16 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: 17 18 LEMUEL KINNEY: Huh? 19 20 INVESTIGATOR GOME Where does she live? 21 22 LEMUEL KINNEY: 23 24 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: In 25 26 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. 27 28 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: That's (inaudible)' right, and not a street or 29 anything like that? 30 31 LEMUEL KINNEY: Sarne 32 33 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Some crazy (inaudible) 34 35 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) all the (inaudible) 36 37 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: We won't say out loud. We'll just say that the — you were 38 involved in a police (inaudible) you're in custody at this point (inaudible) she's gonna read 39 (inaudible) in the newspaper. 40 41 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) you cut out shopping (inaudible) involved in a 42 police incident. He's shot. 43 RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 92 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 LEMUEL KINNEY: 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 anything like that? 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 police incident. He's shot. 43 LEMUEL KINNEY: Are you guys gonna contact my family? INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Well, who do we contact? LEMUEL KINNEY: Call my INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: What's her number? LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: What's her name? INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Her last name? LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR GOME LEMUEL KINNEY: Huh? Where does she live? INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: In LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: That's (inaudible LEMUEL KINNEY: Same INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Some crazy (inaudible) right, and not a street r LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) all the (inaudible) INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: We won't say out loud. We'll just say that the — you were involved in a police (inaudible) you're in custody at this point (inaudible) she's gonna read (inaudible) in the newspaper. LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) you cut out shopping (inaudible) involved in a RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 93 1 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: But you're alive. 2 3 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 4 5 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Tell them you're — you're still alive, though? 6 7 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. I'm alive. 8 9 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: (inaudible) 10 11 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 12 13 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: 30 18th. 14 15 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) right here? 16 17 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: (inaudible) 18 19 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 20 21 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: (inaudible) 22 23 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) two minutes (inaudible) and talk to her? I 24 (inaudible) 25 26 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: This isn't my house. If it was our house, it'd be entirely 27 different. I mean you know you got them to bend the rules on the smoking and all that. (inaudible) 28 for safety reasons, we can't just (inaudible) call and (inaudible) man. You can read it. Which one is 29 that one? The DNA? 30 31 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: The buccal swab. Do you have one for the (inaudible) 32 33 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) 34 35 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: (inaudible) if you can grab me that one? So, it says here, "You 36 give me authorization to collect a buccal swab sample." Basically it's just a Q-tip on the inside of 37 your mouth, right? Urn — and it's just for that, not for (inaudible) not for the car, not for residence. 38 That's (inaudible) buccal swab sample, right? And then here's your information and then I'm 39 Investigator Paz. This is Investigator Gomez. Just sign right here. (inaudible) says (inaudible) 40 signature. 41 42 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 43 RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 93 1 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: But you're alive. 2 3 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 4 5 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Tell them you're — you're still alive, though? 6 7 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. I'm alive. 8 9 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: (inaudible) 10 11 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 12 13 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: 30 18th. 14 15 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) right here? 16 17 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: (inaudible) 18 19 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 20 21 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: (inaudible) 22 23 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) two minutes (inaudible) and talk to her? I 24 (inaudible) 25 26 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: This isn't my house. If it was our house, it'd be entirely 27 different. I mean you know you got them to bend the rules on the smoking and all that. (inaudible) 28 for safety reasons, we can't just (inaudible) call and (inaudible) man. You can read it. Which one is 29 that one? The DNA? 30 31 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: The buccal swab. Do you have one for the (inaudible) 32 33 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) 34 35 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: (inaudible) if you can grab me that one? So, it says here, "You 36 give me authorization to collect a buccal swab sample." Basically it's just a Q -tip on the inside of 37 your mouth, right? Urn — and it's just for that, not for (inaudible) not for the car, not for residence. 38 That's (inaudible) buccal swab sample, right? And then here's your information and then I'm 39 Investigator Paz. This is Investigator Gomez. Just sign right here. (inaudible) says (inaudible) 40 signature. 41 42 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 43 RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 94 1 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Is she younger or older sister? 2 3 LEMUEL KINNEY: Older. I just (inaudible) 4 5 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: And your (inaudible) 6 7 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 8 9 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Okay. 10 11 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) and shit. 12 13 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Oh. (inaudible) forms. Just grab you the consent. There's a 14 bunch of consent forms. (inaudible) 15 16 LEMUEL KINNEY: Oh. (inaudible) 17 18 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Hm? 19 20 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 21 22 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) that's what I'm saying. 23 24 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) hard right now. 25 26 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: That's what I'm saying. Do you normally (inaudible) 27 28 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) to the hospital (inaudible) this shit (inaudible) 29 never been a day I've been without. (inaudible) and I smoke (inaudible) and I use pot too. It's bad. 30 31 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) 32 33 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) oh, shit. Fuck (inaudible) 34 35 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: When's the last time you used? 36 37 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 10:00 o'clock. 38 39 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: 10:00 o'clock last night? 40 41 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. 42 RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) 6 2 3 4 RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 94 1 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: 5 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: 7 LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: bunch of consent forms. (inaudible) LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 Is she younger or older sister? Older. I just (inaudible) And your (inaudible) (inaudible) Okay. (inaudible) and shit. Oh. (inaudible) forms. Just grab you the consent. There's a Oh. (inaudible) Hm? (inaudible) (inaudible) that's what I'm saying. (inaudible) hard right now. That's what I'm saying. Do you normally (inaudible) (inaudible) to the hospital (inaudible) this shit (inaudible) never been a day I've been without. (inaudible) and I smoke (inaudible) and I use pot too. It's bad. INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) (inaudible) oh, shit. Fuck (inaudible) When's the last time you used? (inaudible) 10:00 o'clock. INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: 10:00 o'clock last night? LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 95 1 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: So you used at 10:00 o'clock last night. I mean obviously (inaudible) and would hit up again? LEMUEL KINNEY: Every Ricking five minutes. I'm smoking. INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) LEMUEL KINNEY: Nah. You just put the whole pill (inaudible) and smoke it. It lasts (inaudible) you'll be high by the second hit. (inaudible) one pill. INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Just need a signature. (inaudible) this stuff out. Just date and times and all that. Shit. LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: This shit (inaudible) this shit. (inaudible) Restroom (inaudible) (inaudible) we go back to the hospital. Fuck. You didn't tell them anything about you being a (inaudible) LEMUEL KINNEY: It's not the (inaudible) when I got there and they said (inaudible) but I didn't say nothing, but they didn't even ask me if I had any type of drug addiction. They just said that — INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: You didn't tell them your history that you were (inaudible) addicted to Percocet? LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) figure something out. (inaudible) and (inaudible) (inaudible) I sign it and you ask for (inaudible) (Iaughing) (inaudible) (inaudible) Give me just 30 seconds, dude. (inaudible) (inaudible) RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 95 1 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: So you used at 10:00 o'clock last night. I mean obviously 2 (inaudible) and would hit up again? 3 4 LEMUEL KINNEY: Every flicking five minutes. I'm smoking. 5 6 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) 7 8 LEMUEL KINNEY: Nah. You just put the whole pill (inaudible) and smoke it. It 9 lasts (inaudible) you'll be high by the second hit. (inaudible) one pill. 10 11 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Just need a signature. (inaudible) this stuff out. Just date and 12 times and all that. Shit. 13 14 LEMUEL KINNEY: This shit (inaudible) this shit. (inaudible) 15 16 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Restroom (inaudible) 17 18 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) we go back to the hospital. Fuck. 19 20 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: You didn't tell them anything about you being a (inaudible) 21 22 LEMUEL KINNEY: It's not the (inaudible) when I got there and they said 23 (inaudible) but I didn't say nothing, but they didn't even ask me if I had any type of drug addiction. 24 They just said that — 25 26 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: You didn't tell them your history that you were (inaudible) 27 addicted to Percocet? 28 29 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) figure something out. 30 31 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) and (inaudible) 32 33 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) I sign it and you ask for (inaudible) 34 35 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: (laughing) (inaudible) 36 37 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 38 39 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Give me just 30 seconds, dude. 40 41 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 42 43 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 96 1 2 LEMUEL KINNEY: I know, but you guys make (inaudible) decisions right here. 3 You (inaudible) how this shit goes plenty of times since this COVID started. 4 5 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: And I (inaudible) the laws have changed. I'm not an attorney 6 and I cannot tell you (inaudible) and again, even with what we booked you in under, it's still not our 7 decision. The D.A.'s Office has to review (inaudible) 8 9 LEMUEL KINNEY: What am I being booked under? 10 11 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Right now? If anything — what are you thinking? 12 13 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Are you talking to me? 14 15 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Yeah. 16 17 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: I don't know. There's ah — I got to sit down and talk with the 18 D.A. when we're done here and it could be anything from accessory to robbery or even robbery, 19 okay? Just because (inaudible) we know — you know — you know what was going on. Urn — if 20 everything else you're saying is true, that there's no — (inaudible) that there's no guns on your side 21 or anything (inaudible) connecting you to a gun, then — then you're good with that, but if later on 22 something comes back with your fingerprints, with your DNA and all that shit, you know — and — or 23 if the video shows that you're pointing a gun too, then that's different. Then we might have certain 24 charges. You understand that, right? 25 26 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. 27 28 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: But right now, just based on our conversation, I think you're 29 being straight up. I don't think there's anything having to do with you and assaulting officers or if 30 your — if your — if your partner did, pointing the gun at them, that's too bright. He — he's looking at 31 different charges. You understand that, right? 32 33 LEMUEL KINNEY: 34 35 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) attempted murder on a peace officer. All right. 36 37 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Check this out. So — 38 39 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) 40 41 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Just real quick. Ah — Desert Regional Medical Center, that's 42 where you went. Here's your name, date of birth, 10/11/96. Basically I'm (inaudible) asking for the RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 96 1 2 LEMUEL KINNEY: I know, but you guys make (inaudible) decisions right here. 3 You (inaudible) how this shit goes plenty of times since this COVID started. 4 5 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: And I (inaudible) the laws have changed. I'm not an attorney 6 and I cannot tell you (inaudible) and again, even with what we booked you in under, it's still not our 7 decision. The D.A.'s Office has to review (inaudible) 8 9 LEMUEL KINNEY: What am I being booked under? 10 11 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Right now? If anything — what are you thinking? 12 13 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Are you talking to me? 14 15 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Yeah. 16 17 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: I don't know. There's ah — I got to sit down and talk with the 18 D.A. when we're done here and it could be anything from accessory to robbery or even robbery, 19 okay? Just because (inaudible) we know — you know — you know what was going on. Urn — if 20 everything else you're saying is true, that there's no — (inaudible) that there's no guns on your side 21 or anything (inaudible) connecting you to a gun, then — then you're good with that, but if later on 22 something comes back with your fingerprints, with your DNA and all that shit, you know — and — or 23 if the video shows that you're pointing a gun too, then that's different. Then we might have certain 24 charges. You understand that, right? 25 26 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. 27 28 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: But right now, just based on our conversation, I think you're 29 being straight up. I don't think there's anything having to do with you and assaulting officers or if 30 your — if your — if your partner did, pointing the gun at them, that's too bright. He — he's looking at 31 different charges. You understand that, right? 32 33 LEMUEL KINNEY: 34 35 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) attempted murder on a peace officer. All right. 36 37 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Check this out. So — 38 39 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) 40 41 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Just real quick. Ah — Desert Regional Medical Center, that's 42 where you went. Here's your name, date of birth, 10/11/96. Basically I'm (inaudible) asking for the RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 97 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 general records and anything — and all records pertaining to the treatment you received on 10/21/2020. So if you can just sign right here? LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Sign that and we'll (inaudible) a cigarette. Right there. INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: And you gave her the consent, right? LEMUEL KINNEY: This is the consent for — INVESTIGATOR PAZ: That's you giving us permission to get your medical records. INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) documents or injuries from what happened. Okay. Do you want to take him out for a smoke and I'll (inaudible) the buccal? INVESTIGATOR PAZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: get interrogated by anybody else? INVESTIGATOR PAZ: INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: be out of here. LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Yeah. Yes, sir. Let me save this real quick. You know (inaudible) once you guys leave, I'm gonna have to No, that's it. (inaudible) he's just to (inaudible) some paperwork and you'll They gonna transfer me to — Yup. -- County? (inaudible) Ready? Yup. Let's go, man. INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) INVESTIGATOR PAZ: INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Oh, you know what? I got to get them to open the door. I'll -I'll get it. Hold on. Have a seat. RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 97 1 general records and anything — and all records pertaining to the treatment you received on 2 10/21/2020. So if you can just sign right here? 3 4 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 5 6 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Sign that and we'll (inaudible) a cigarette. Right there. 7 8 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: And you gave her the consent, right? 9 10 LEMUEL KINNEY: This is the consent for — 11 12 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: That's you giving us permission to get your medical records. 13 14 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) documents or injuries from what happened. Okay. 15 Do you want to take him out for a smoke and I'll (inaudible) the buccal? 16 17 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Yeah. Yes, sir. Let me save this real quick. 18 19 LEMUEL KINNEY: You know (inaudible) once you guys leave, I'm gonna have to 20 get interrogated by anybody else? 21 22 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: No, that's it. 23 24 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) he's just to (inaudible) some paperwork and you'll 25 be out of here. 26 27 LEMUEL KINNEY: They gonna transfer me to — 28 29 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Yup. 30 31 LEMUEL KINNEY: -- County? (inaudible) 32 33 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Ready? 34 35 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Yup. Let's go, man. 36 37 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) 38 39 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Oh, you know what? I got to get them to open the door. 40 41 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: I'll — I'll get it. 42 43 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Hold on. Have a seat. RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 98 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: It's open. (inaudible) make sure (inaudible) INVESTIGATOR PAZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. (inaudible) INVESTIGATOR PAZ: You good or no? INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Yeah. Are we good to shut this door? MALE VOICE: there, sir. Yeah, you can ah — I don't know if there's anybody back INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: No. MALE VOICE: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: MALE VOICE: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: MALE VOICE: INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: MALE VOICE: INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Yeah, you can close it. Come on. Do you know how to close it? (inaudible) he's coming back (inaudible) Somebody's coming back in. (inaudible) Oh, the — the (inaudible) (inaudible) Oh, is he? (inaudible) Yes. (inaudible) I'll be back (inaudible) INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Okay. LEMUEL KINNEY: Hey, um — right when they leave me (inaudible) you guys will transfer me? (inaudible) I need to (inaudible) RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 98 1 2 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: It's open. (inaudible) make sure (inaudible) 3 4 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Yeah. 5 6 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 7 8 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: You good or no? 9 10 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: Yeah. Are we good to shut this door? 11 12 MALE VOICE: Yeah, you can ah — I don't know if there's anybody back 13 there, sir. 14 15 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: No. 16 17 MALE VOICE: Yeah, you can close it. 18 19 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Come on. Do you know how to close it? 20 21 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) he's coming back (inaudible) 22 23 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Somebody's coming back in. 24 25 MALE VOICE: (inaudible) 26 27 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Oh, the — the (inaudible) 28 29 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) 30 31 MALE VOICE: Oh, is he? 32 33 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) 34 35 MALE VOICE: Yes. (inaudible) 36 37 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: I'll be back (inaudible) 38 39 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Okay. 40 41 LEMUEL KINNEY: Hey, um — right when they leave me (inaudible) you guys will 42 transfer me? (inaudible) I need to (inaudible) 43 RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 99 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: then they can transfer you. LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: 15 minutes. LEMUEL KINNEY: They — they done (inaudible) already. Well, almost. I got to give them paperwork and then — and (inaudible) (inaudible) paperwork. (inaudible) (inaudible) it should — normally, it takes anywhere from 10 to So (inaudible) INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Ultimately ends up ah — depends what the D.A. decides to (inaudible) I'm gonna tell him you were straight up, though. LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: at least I think you were straight up. LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: MALE VOICE: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: MALE VOICE: (inaudible) I'm gonna tell him, ah — that you were straight up (inaudible) Straight up (inaudible) (laughing) (inaudible) (inaudible) what? (inaudible) I'm gonna (inaudible) (inaudible) Yeah, we're good. (inaudible) RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 99 1 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: 2 3 LEMUEL KINNEY: 4 5 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: 6 then they can transfer you. 7 8 LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: 15 minutes. LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) They — they done (inaudible) already. Well, almost. I got to give them paperwork and then — and (inaudible) (inaudible) paperwork. (inaudible) (inaudible) it should — normally, it takes anywhere from 10 to So (inaudible) INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Ultimately ends up ah — depends what the D.A. decides to (inaudible) I'm gonna tell him you were straight up, though. LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: at least I think you were straight up. LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: LEMUEL KINNEY: INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: MALE VOICE: INVESTIGATOR PAZ: MALE VOICE: (inaudible) I'm gonna tell him, ah — that you were straight up (inaudible) Straight up (inaudible) (laughing) (inaudible) (inaudible) what? (inaudible) I'm gonna (inaudible) (inaudible) Yeah, we're good. (inaudible) RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 100 1 2 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: I'm good. Light up? So basically your addiction is what got 3 you all fucking wrapped up in this shit. How are you, ah — how do work during the day if you're 4 popping or taking six Percocet's a say? 5 6 LEMUEL KINNEY: (Inaudible) 7 8 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: (inaudible) 9 10 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 11 12 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: It doesn't ah — make you sleepy or anything like that? 13 14 LEMUEL KINNEY: Nah, not no more. (inaudible) pills, man (inaudible) 15 16 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Yeah. I hear Fentanyl's no joke, man. 17 18 LEMUEL KINNEY: You see me? 19 20 MALE VOICE: All right. 21 22 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: (inaudible) so (inaudible) do you have to take one? 23 24 LEMUEL KINNEY: I smoke them. 25 26 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Or — you smoke them? You just — so what do you — 27 28 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 29 30 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Every 30 minutes? 31 32 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 33 34 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: What do you do? Just smash them up or what? 35 36 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 37 38 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) 39 40 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: I believe so, yeah. 41 42 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) 43 RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 100 1 2 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: I'm good. Light up? So basically your addiction is what got 3 you all fucking wrapped up in this shit. How are you, ah — how do work during the day if you're 4 popping or taking six Percocet's a say? 5 6 LEMUEL KINNEY: (Inaudible) 7 8 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: (inaudible) 9 10 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 11 12 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: It doesn't ah — make you sleepy or anything like that? 13 14 LEMUEL KINNEY: Nah, not no more. (inaudible) pills, man (inaudible) 15 16 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Yeah. I hear Fentanyl's no joke, man. 17 18 LEMUEL KINNEY: You see me? 19 20 MALE VOICE: All right. 21 22 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: (inaudible) so (inaudible) do you have to take one? 23 24 LEMUEL KINNEY: I smoke them. 25 26 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Or — you smoke them? You just — so what do you — 27 28 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 29 30 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Every 30 minutes? 31 32 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 33 34 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: What do you do? Just smash them up or what? 35 36 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 37 38 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) 39 40 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: I believe so, yeah. 41 42 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) 43 RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 101 1 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 2 3 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Yeah, yeah, yeah, we're done. 4 5 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 6 7 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: What's that? 8 9 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) smoked (inaudible) 10 11 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Oh, no. You're good man. 12 13 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 14 15 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) 16 17 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) huh? 18 19 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) gonna be hard (inaudible) 20 21 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Well, here's the deal. We're not gonna go out and do the — the 22 — the swab after all. So urn — 23 24 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 25 26 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: All right. No worries. So what we'll do. We'll — we'll go back 27 to the jail later and get that from you so we can get you out of here sooner. So as soon as you're 28 done with your cigarette, we'll put you back. go, ah —tap up the paperwork that you need to get 29 booked in and then, ah — then you'll get out of here. 30 31 MALE VOICE: (inaudible) 32 33 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Are you done? 34 35 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) walking out here. 36 37 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: (inaudible) I'll step on it. We'll walk in front of the car. 38 39 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 40 41 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Take your time, man. I don't want you passing out on me. 42 43 LEMUEL KINNEY: Nah, I ain't passing out. I tripped. RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 101 1 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 2 3 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Yeah, yeah, yeah, we're done. 4 5 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 6 7 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: What's that? 8 9 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) smoked (inaudible) 10 11 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Oh, no. You're good man. 12 13 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 14 15 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) 16 17 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) huh? 18 19 INVESTIGATOR GOMEZ: (inaudible) gonna be hard (inaudible) 20 21 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Well, here's the deal. We're not gonna go out and do the —the 22 — the swab after all. So urn — 23 24 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 25 26 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: All right. No worries. So what we'll do. We'll — we'll go back 27 to the jail later and get that from you so we can get you out of here sooner. So as soon as you're 28 done with your cigarette, we'll put you back. go, ah — tap up the paperwork that you need to get 29 booked in and then, ah — then you'll get out of here. 30 31 MALE VOICE: (inaudible) 32 33 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Are you done? 34 35 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) walking out here. 36 37 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: (inaudible) I'll step on it. We'll walk in front of the car. 38 39 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 40 41 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Take your time, man. I don't want you passing out on me. 42 43 LEMUEL KINNEY: Nah, I ain't passing out. I tripped. RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM 6(9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 102 I 2 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: (laughing) 3 4 LEMUEL KINNEY: My whole (inaudible) 5 6 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: All right. 7 8 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) ready? 9 10 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Yeah. Let's go this way. 11 12 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 13 14 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Stop right there. All right. Come this way. Yeah. I'll get it for 15 you. Coming in. Make a right. grab your (inaudible) 16 17 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 18 19 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: And your water. 20 21 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 22 23 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: (inaudible) straight over there to where you were at. 24 25 LEMUEL KINNEY: Here. 26 27 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Coming in. 28 29 MALE VOICE: (inaudible) 30 31 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 32 33 MALE VOICE: (inaudible) 34 35 MALE VOICE: You want those off or no? 36 37 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. (inaudible) 38 39 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: His sandwich is over there still. 40 41 MALE VOICE: His what? 42 43 LEMUEL KINNEY: His sandwich. RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 102 1 2 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: (laughing) 3 4 LEMUEL KINNEY: My whole (inaudible) 5 6 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: All right. 7 8 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) ready? 9 10 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Yeah. Let's go this way. 11 12 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 13 14 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Stop right there. All right. Come this way. Yeah. I'll get it for 15 you. Coming in. Make a right. I'll grab your (inaudible) 16 17 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 18 19 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: And your water. 20 21 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 22 23 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: (inaudible) straight over there to where you were at. 24 25 LEMUEL KINNEY: Here. 26 27 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Coming in. 28 29 MALE VOICE: (inaudible) 30 31 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 32 33 MALE VOICE: (inaudible) 34 35 MALE VOICE: You want those off or no? 36 37 LEMUEL KINNEY: Yeah. (inaudible) 38 39 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: His sandwich is over there still. 40 41 MALE VOICE: His what? 42 43 LEMUEL KINNEY: His sandwich. RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 103 1 2 MALE VOICE: Oh, your sandwich (inaudible) 3 4 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 5 6 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Yeah, he had a sandwich. 7 8 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 9 10 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Cool. Thank you. It is ah — 1358 hours. I'm ending this 11 recording. 12 13 END OF RECORDING 14 15 REPORTING INVESTIGATORS: INVESTIGATOR RUBEN PAZ, ID# 16 17 D: 10/00/2020 T: 12/21/2020 Job: 977.DIGITAL.68 RP:kst RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81) RIVERSIDE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT/ CHU-EAST Page 103 1 2 MALE VOICE: Oh, your sandwich (inaudible) 3 4 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 5 6 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Yeah, he had a sandwich. 7 8 LEMUEL KINNEY: (inaudible) 9 10 INVESTIGATOR PAZ: Cool. Thank you. It is ah — 1358 hours. I'm ending this 11 recording. 12 13 END OF RECORDING 14 15 REPORTING INVESTIGATORS: INVESTIGATOR RUBEN PAZ, ID# 16 17 D: 10/00/2020 T: 12/21/2020 Job: 977.DIGITAL.68 RP:lcst RIVERSIDE COUNTY- LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES FORM C (9/81)